LTT Screwdriver is the 3090Ti of drivers

[AteBit]

I feel like the title says it all. Yes, the screwdriver is fantastic! But is it fantastic for the price? Is the value there?

 

Yes for some that kind of money can be dropped without hesitation, but that doesn't mean it is a good price for performance. It could very likely be the best ratcheting screwdriver on the market, but is the price worth the quality of life and slight performance increase you get from a much cheaper ratcheting driver? I personally have built plenty of PC's with nothing more than a $8 driver and never had any problems.

 

If you are getting the driver I have NO doubt you will be extremely happy with it. I am more discussing when does the ROI of these products too much. Considering the feedback we often give companies in the Tech industry for the top tier hardware being only X amount better but for an increase in $X as a bad value I thought maybe it would be something worth discussing. It's not even stuffed with Alpaca!?!

[DANK_AS_gay]

19 minutes ago, AteBit said:

I am more discussing when does the ROI of these products too much.

It's donating to your favorite YouTuber but you get a nice screwdriver. Linus has long said that he does not like donations and thinks you should get something in return. This is why his products are a bit pricey comparatively. I would still pay extra because I like Linus' channel, and I want to support it, and his products are usually high quality anyways.

[tkitch]

no, it's not an unreasonable price.

 

https://shop.snapon.com/product/Standard-Handle/8-3-4"-Ratcheting-Standard-Screwdriver-(Orange)/SSDMR4BO

 

[AteBit]

8 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

It's donating to your favorite YouTuber but you get a nice screwdriver. Linus has long said that he does not like donations and thinks you should get something in return. This is why his products are a bit pricey comparatively. I would still pay extra because I like Linus' channel, and I want to support it, and his products are usually high quality anyways.

This is an excellent rationalization.  I do agree that if you want to financially support LInus' this is an excellent way to do it as you do get more than content. But I was speaking more on the value of the product alone. Honestly, seeing Linus' enthusiasm for many of the products the LTT Store produces is amazing to see and leads to alot of consumer confidence!

[AteBit]

6 minutes ago, tkitch said:

no, it's not an unreasonable price.

 

https://shop.snapon.com/product/Standard-Handle/8-3-4"-Ratcheting-Standard-Screwdriver-(Orange)/SSDMR4BO

 

Who says Snap On, one of the MOST expensive tool brands in the world, is reasonably priced?

 

By this comparison you can find Husky, Stanley and Craftsman ratcheting drivers for under $50.

[tkitch]

3 minutes ago, AteBit said:

Who says Snap On, one of the MOST expensive tool brands in the world, is reasonably priced?

 

By this comparison you can find Husky, Stanley and Craftsman ratcheting drivers for under $50.

yes, and I'm expecting a higher standard from the LTT Screwdriver.

 

Including a better magnetic tip, and be less likely to fall apart.  (I've had Husky and other tools literally come apart from normal use.)

 

Not everything should be 20 bucks.

[AteBit]

5 minutes ago, tkitch said:

yes, and I'm expecting a higher standard from the LTT Screwdriver.

 

Including a better magnetic tip, and be less likely to fall apart.  (I've had Husky and other tools literally come apart from normal use.)

 

Not everything should be 20 bucks.

Do we have any info on the ratchet mechanism used? Or the strength and type of plastics used in the build? Do we know if there is a warranty of some type?

[GuiltySpark_]

We just did this whole thing, this thread is still on the front page of this subforum! Its three pages long.

 

 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

1 hour ago, AteBit said:

I feel like the title says it all. Yes, the screwdriver is fantastic! But is it fantastic for the price? Is the value there?

 

Yes for some that kind of money can be dropped without hesitation, but that doesn't mean it is a good price for performance. It could very likely be the best ratcheting screwdriver on the market, but is the price worth the quality of life and slight performance increase you get from a much cheaper ratcheting driver? I personally have built plenty of PC's with nothing more than a $8 driver and never had any problems.

 

If you are getting the driver I have NO doubt you will be extremely happy with it. I am more discussing when does the ROI of these products too much. Considering the feedback we often give companies in the Tech industry for the top tier hardware being only X amount better but for an increase in $X as a bad value I thought maybe it would be something worth discussing. It's not even stuffed with Alpaca!?!

It's just kind of supporting your favorite content creator while also getting something in the process. I kinda thought everyone knew that was "the deal" with these sort of things

[Ravendarat]

I said in the other thread, if this driver is high enough quality to be used in a professional environment than then the price is totally inline and ya the ROI is totally acceptable.

4 hours ago, AteBit said:

Do we have any info on the ratchet mechanism used? Or the strength and type of plastics used in the build? Do we know if there is a warranty of some type?

This has absolutely been covered both on WAN show and on this forum, we know the composite of the handle, we know what the ratchet is based on and the warranty is an ongoing discussion still. Obviously we dont have hands on yet with them but I have never felt like I have been lied to about any ltt product so far so I doubt this will be any different.

[maartendc]

Is it an April fools joke?

 

$69?

 

For a screwdriver?

 

For $69 I can buy a whole screwdriver and socket set, ratcheting too, from a known brand like Stanley or Dewalt. Or a whole pro tech toolkit from Ifixit. Ya'll crazy.

[Virus__]

On 4/6/2022 at 12:06 AM, AteBit said:

Who says Snap On, one of the MOST expensive tool brands in the world, is reasonably priced?

 

By this comparison you can find Husky, Stanley and Craftsman ratcheting drivers for under $50.

I have a Stanley fatmax ratcheting screwdriver & it is an absolute piece of shit. Worst $50 I've ever spent on a tool. The bits are too soft, I ended up having to buy my own set of bits, so I could use it. The rubber grip on the handle can't take too much torque before it starts to slip, the holder for the extra bits in the driver is awkward to get them in & out. The shaft isn't permanently attached to the body & has far too much play in it. Also, the magnet in it is pretty weak, i've often left bits behind after using it. It's not even comfortable to use.

I'm at a point in my life I want quality & am happy to pay more money for something that is going to last. I'm sick of cheap screwdrivers, they don't last or have a proper fit with screws.

[trag1c]

On 4/5/2022 at 8:06 AM, AteBit said:

Who says Snap On, one of the MOST expensive tool brands in the world, is reasonably priced?

 

By this comparison you can find Husky, Stanley and Craftsman ratcheting drivers for under $50.

Big box store tools are fine when you only need them once in a blue moon. If you ever use a tool semi-frequently, it pays to buy high quality tools (especially if you're livelihood relies on it). Snappy, SK, CP, Milwaukee and some MAC or Matco tools are a must have when you use tools a lot, even for something as a simple as screw driver. Most high end tool brands also offer excellent warranty service that comes to you. I don't know about you, but I can't remember the last time a guy from home depot showed up to service my ratchet.

 

Letting the Strap-on man touch you inappropriately is a small price to pay for minimum down time and tools that actually feel good to use. I have 10s of thousands in tools that paid for themselves and I would happily buy them again.

[DANK_AS_gay]

21 hours ago, maartendc said:

For $69 I can buy a whole screwdriver and socket set, ratcheting too, from a known brand like Stanley or Dewalt.

Dodge is a known brand. Doesn't mean I'm going to buy one. I'd rather a Lexus. Reliable, luxurious, and only a little bit overpriced. Compared to the competition (BMW, low end Mercedes, Acura, Infiniti), Lexus is the best.

Same with Linus' screwdriver. I'd rather slightly overpay for a superior product than overpay a massive amount mediocre product (Stanley, Dewalt). Plus there's the whole:

On 4/5/2022 at 9:44 AM, DANK_AS_gay said:

It's donating to your favorite YouTuber but you get a nice screwdriver. Linus has long said that he does not like donations and thinks you should get something in return. This is why his products are a bit pricey comparatively... his products are usually high quality anyways.

 

[Zodiark1593]

If the screwdriver delivers on it's promises, then I'd argue that it's a fairly competitive value. Other specialist kits such as the one from iFixit is pretty comparably priced.

 

If someone builds tools on the regular, or repairs PCs for a living, the price premium is inconsequential compared to the value the tool is generating (otherwise, you're probably charging too little), and a good tool can make a long daily slog a bit less miserable. You underestimate the value of the little things during a long work day. 

 

[Blademaster91]

22 hours ago, maartendc said:

Is it an April fools joke?

 

$69?

 

For a screwdriver?

 

For $69 I can buy a whole screwdriver and socket set, ratcheting too, from a known brand like Stanley or Dewalt. Or a whole pro tech toolkit from Ifixit. Ya'll crazy.

Probably priced at $69 because they could and the funny meme number.

I can see spending $60-70 on a known brand or a whole ifixiti tool kit, and the GN tool kit is $50, and a 7 year warranty was recently added, but $70 on a ratcheting driver doesn't make any sense to me.

1 hour ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

Dodge is a known brand. Doesn't mean I'm going to buy one. I'd rather a Lexus. Reliable, luxurious, and only a little bit overpriced. Compared to the competition (BMW, low end Mercedes, Acura, Infiniti), Lexus is the best.

Same with Linus' screwdriver. I'd rather slightly overpay for a superior product than overpay a massive amount mediocre product (Stanley, Dewalt). Plus there's the whole:

 

The screwdriver isn't even out yet, how does anyone know it's the "Lexus" of screwdrivers?

I think its more of a case of wanting to support the channel than actually wanting an expensive screwdriver, I don't see the point of a ratcheting screwdriver for PC building anyway, if you want something easier to use than a regular screwdriver than you may as well get a battery powered screwdriver.

[DANK_AS_gay]

2 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

The screwdriver isn't even out yet, how does anyone know it's the "Lexus" of screwdrivers?

Linus' claims about merchandise have been verified by myself personally. I have no reason to doubt him now.

3 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

ratcheting screwdriver for PC building anyway, if you want something easier to use than a regular screwdriver than you may as well get a battery powered screwdriver

My experience with electric screwdrivers has been that they suck. Also a bit lazy innit? I use screwdrivers all the time, and not having to lift my hand every time I twist isn't just lazy, it has practical implications on speed. It effectively doubles the speed I screw stuff in. For, me that's a big deal. I could buy a Snap-On version, but I'd rather support LTT. Plus, who doesn't like the funny number?

[Blademaster91]

13 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

Linus' claims about merchandise have been verified by myself personally. I have no reason to doubt him now.

I would think making a screwdriver is more complicated than sourcing mouse pads or water bottles, and if you trust Linus claims thats fine but claiming the tool is amazing without using it first is weird IMO.

13 minutes ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

My experience with electric screwdrivers has been that they suck. Also a bit lazy innit? I use screwdrivers all the time, and not having to lift my hand every time I twist isn't just lazy, it has practical implications on speed. It effectively doubles the speed I screw stuff in. For, me that's a big deal. I could buy a Snap-On version, but I'd rather support LTT. Plus, who doesn't like the funny number?

I think it depends on what you're using an electric screwdriver for, and its a matter of personal preference. I'd rather use a regular screwdriver for personal builds as it really isn't that difficult to use a normal #1 and #2 Philiips to tighten a few screws, and I enjoy the process of a build so i'm not in a hurry either. Although if I was building PC's as a job I'd want an electric screwdriver because its less a lot less repetitive strain on my hands and wrists than ratcheting a screwdriver all day. Also I don't care what LMG prices the screwdriver at, but they're going to have to be very competitive with other options in that price range which may have a better warranty from a known brand.

[Ravendarat]

For anyone talking about the GN warranty lets remember that there are zero moving parts to their product so there is much less risk of anything ever going wrong on them. With that said would I like to see a warranty offered in writing of some kind on the LTT driver, of course I would. But even without that if I contacted them in 2 years saying the ratchet wont lock in place anymore do I personally think they would take care of it, as long as they have inventory I bet they would.

[wanderingfool2]

9 hours ago, Blademaster91 said:

Probably priced at $69 because they could and the funny meme number.

I can see spending $60-70 on a known brand or a whole ifixiti tool kit, and the GN tool kit is $50, and a 7 year warranty was recently added, but $70 on a ratcheting driver doesn't make any sense to me.

An important distinction can be the portability as well.  Something that can be put in a pocket, while being roughed up, doesn't compare to something like an ifixit kit or the GN tool kit which is meant for someone who has a carrying case.  If I go over to a friends house to help build a PC, I don't necessarily want to be carrying around the tool kit with me.

 

One thing as well, it will all depend on cam outs.  Some high quality ones resist cam out and wear on the bits quite a bit.  It all really comes down to the quality of build, and once a few people get their hands on it that will hopefully be a known quantity.  I've gone through about 3 ratcheting screwdriver sets in my life.  The ratcheting mechanism always dies on me.  One of them had a plastic piece as a vital part which wore down over time, one had the gear teeth warp, and the other had the metal housing crack after being dropped (it was one of those cheap metal insides...not sure the term...but the type that makes metal brittle and a very porous on the inside).  So depending fully on the quality, I could see there being justification behind $69, especially when factoring in that they are using it to help fund LTT.

[Jarsky]

On 4/6/2022 at 1:23 AM, AteBit said:

I feel like the title says it all.

 

But how can you make thie assertion when it hasnt even been released yet? So no one has one other than what you see on stream/video? 

It's only advantage really is being a portable general-purpose multi-bit driver...but the ratcheting function adds unnecessary cost to it as well imo unless you have dexterity issues. 

 

Personally, I dont use ratcheting screwdrivers. Its a mechanism that makes it far to easy to put too much torque on whatever you would use that screwdriver for in electronics. Theres a reason that electronics screwdrivers are precision and/or have swivel caps on them rather than ratcheting. 

 

At home a precision screwdriver set (like an iFix it) with a swivel cap is a better solution. For electronics, I often need all sorts of bits outside of Philips, like Pozidriv and mini Security Torx, with many many more.

 

For my cars etc...I typically need large #0,#1,#2 etc..Philips or Flatheads and typically need either long (e.g 30cm) or stubby (e.g 1cm) drivers so in many cases this screwdriver would go unused there as well.  I also have driver bit adapters for my drills & electric wrench for using on the cars or for carpentary, I dont use a manual ratcheting screwdriver. 

[SansVarnic]

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