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VR is pretty cool, but some of the most exciting advancements are enterprise only and cost hundreds of dollars just to get a hold of. But Lucas from LucidVR thinks that’s crazy. For just sixty dollars, you can print and create your own set of haptic VR gloves. These make the Valve Index Controllers feel clunky!

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I remember seeing and trying something similar over 5 years ago, but it was about 100 times less bulky. and felt more like a Normal glove.

Sadly it did not had any haptic feedback at the time

 

https://www.manus-meta.com/

https://innovationorigins.com/en/start-up-top-10-manus-machina-and-the-virtual-reality-glove/

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Damn.. I have the ocules 2 already but that looks.. Hmm, maybe this is something i could actually.. NO i want it already xD

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Wow this tech was awesome! And seeing Linus's(?) reaction was so cool! The video felt pretty short, I wish it was longer and Linus had ranted about his love for VR or how he sees this being a real next step in a long time! A conclusion at the end or a bit of a talking head woulda really landed the video for me.. just as I was getting into it, the ending sponsor hit. Maybe more on the creator, some background or smth!

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58 minutes ago, darknessblade said:

I remember seeing and trying something similar over 5 years ago, but it was about 100 times less bulky. and felt more like a Normal glove.

Sadly it did not had any haptic feedback at the time

 

https://www.manus-meta.com/

https://innovationorigins.com/en/start-up-top-10-manus-machina-and-the-virtual-reality-glove/

The impressive thing with the project is honestly not reading the finger positions, but rather to get decent haptic feedback to the user. Since adding a bit of restraint to movement have been one of the bigger aspects missing from VR.

 

Though, we all have to wait and see how this progresses and if it can get a bit less bulky.

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Good for him.

I hope he gets attention from companies like Steam, Facebook and Google.

If he reads this post - I'm ex-Google and am willing to spend a few hours helping you prep for FAANG interviews if you want to be paid $200-500k a year to work on this stuff some more with a bunch of resources behind you (but also bureaucracy). Feel free to PM me.

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It's respectable that he open-sourced this and wants people to build on top of it instead of doing what I would've done, which is going "Hey Facebook here's cool handtracking technology give me millions now"

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i read i never fell this way before....

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I hated that Linus kept going with the VR porn jokes, Lucas is a skilled young man who obviously wanted to be taken serious on this project.

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1 hour ago, Flamestryke said:

Junk replies on this video.

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Youtube doesnt seem to think this is a problem, and it blows me away, I feel like stopping the same copied comment from being spammed should be trivial

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I always felt VR should be the future, but as far as I know no one has really taken advantage of it and there isn't as much activity on improving this as I would have hoped for.

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Much like Mobile phones, the industries obsession with making things small is the reason why haptic feedback VR gloves are A) so damn expensive, and B) not that common.

 

As on show in this vid, making them functional isnt overly difficult. Its miniaturizing the components to make them marketable thats hard when 'smallness' is such a big thing nowadays.

 

Personally i both prefer aesthetically the more steampunk look of mechanical gloves, and the engineering involved, over that of the types we see on sale atm.

 

VR in general, beyond making headsets higher resolution , wider FoV and low latency, has always had a problem with haptic feedback. Without it ur still missing a key piece of sensory data that can make u feel like ur in the VR world. Once we get enough parts of the body equipped with proper sensory feedback at a reasonable price, then VR can really take of and get widely adopted.

 

IMO, these sensory electronic gadgets for moving in place and hand gesture control isnt the way forward. Perhaps a more mechanical solution would be the way forward.

For example a full body system: Gloves, body harness, boots, and ofc the headset, all suspended ....think of the film Pacific Rim and how the pilots were connected to a harness armature.

Mechanical feedback and no need to worry about using a slippery surface to try and walk on, or a multi directional treadmill.

The whole apparatus wouldn't be small but it also wouldn't take up any more space than a typical racing sim setup. The whole 'cage' could also incorporate the needed motion cameras so u no longer need to setup the camera in the corners of an entire room.

Im sure its been thought of before and there's likely some kind of massive obstacle in the way of actually doing it ..but still.

 

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1 hour ago, SolarNova said:

Much like Mobile phones, the industries obsession with making things small is the reason why haptic feedback VR gloves are A) so damn expensive, and B) not that common.

 

As on show in this vid, making them functional isnt overly difficult. Its miniaturizing the components to make them marketable thats hard when 'smallness' is such a big thing nowadays.

 

Personally i both prefer aesthetically the more steampunk look of mechanical gloves, and the engineering involved, over that of the types we see on sale atm.

 

VR in general, beyond making headsets higher resolution , wider FoV and low latency, has always had a problem with haptic feedback. Without it ur still missing a key piece of sensory data that can make u feel like ur in the VR world. Once we get enough parts of the body equipped with proper sensory feedback at a reasonable price, then VR can really take of and get widely adopted.

 

IMO, these sensory electronic gadgets for moving in place and hand gesture control isnt the way forward. Perhaps a more mechanical solution would be the way forward.

For example a full body system: Gloves, body harness, boots, and ofc the headset, all suspended ....think of the film Pacific Rim and how the pilots were connected to a harness armature.

Mechanical feedback and no need to worry about using a slippery surface to try and walk on, or a multi directional treadmill.

The whole apparatus wouldn't be small but it also wouldn't take up any more space than a typical racing sim setup. The whole 'cage' could also incorporate the needed motion cameras so u no longer need to setup the camera in the corners of an entire room.

Im sure its been thought of before and there's likely some kind of massive obstacle in the way of actually doing it ..but still.

 

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12 hours ago, Tamesh16 said:

Youtube doesnt seem to think this is a problem, and it blows me away, I feel like stopping the same copied comment from being spammed should be trivial

You would think Linus Media Group would complain to YouTube as that account is plagarizing their name at the very least.

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7 hours ago, Ryan829 said:

I always see you post on the forums. How is your 3930k still kicking ?! 🤣🤣It blows my mind that it still works. The 1080ti is one of the best cards of all time. That doesn't surprise me. But the 3930k? I do a double take every time I see you post. Super impressive. Gotta give it to ASUS that the board still works. Usually it's the board that goes first. That cpu is what? 11? 12 years old now? Also, running a custom loop that's that old? How have the blocks not gotten super gunked up? Have you had to replace the fittings/tubing in that whole decade? I am guessing you are using distilled/kill coil? There's no way you could be using coolant this whole time, even clear ones. 

hehehe.

The 3930k has been the best purchasing decision i've ever made, was way overkill for a gaming rig when i bought it, but has certainly been worth it. The extra cores have helped keep it more usable vs that of the more mainstream 2500k,2600k, and 2700k of the time.

 

I stripped down the loop a couple years ago when i upgraded from the original GPU in the loop (a 780 classified) to the 1080ti.

The CPU block lost all its nickle plating and had surface corrosion, nothing a bit of cleaning couldn't fix.

The rads needed a good soak and flush with vinegar, and the soft tubing replaced.

The res/pump combo is fine since the res is glass no staining, the pump is still kicking running at its max speed the whole time. Even if it died tomorrow its a simple thing to replace, any D5 will fit in the res.

The fittings just needed a little cleaning.

Considering i had the OG loop running for roughly two 4 year stretches between flushes using ONLY Distilled (no additives or kill coil) it held up well.

The 780 classified block was also corroded, (think i still got the pics saved,u can see them below).

 

I wouldnt recommend doing what i did though, corrosion inhibitors should be used, I use straight distilled + corrosion inhibitor and biocide now.

 

As for the CPU and motherboard, the VRM heatsink runs toasty (dunno actual temp, no sensors) but otherwise no problems. The original OC i did back when i built the system is still running with no extra voltage needed so no degradation i've noticed. Performance wise, it holds up well enough, im not targeting super high FPS and if I have GPU usage spare ill usually enable DSR for some extra fidelity.

 

The only part that has failed from the OG build has been the PSU. It didn't outright 'pop' , the system just started being unstable, crashing and such. After troubleshooting, inc a complete reinstall of a fresh OS, and removing a GPU riser which i thought could be the issue, i bought a new PSU last month and its been fine since. Not surprising really, even for a high end PSU ..10 years is pushing it.

 

 

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Pics from 780 classified to 1080ti strip down a few years back. This is the 780 classifed block.

Havnt got pics of the CPU block, but its still in use and has corrosion all over similar to that on the GPU block around the fins. No performance impact, purely aesthetic, the block is opaque however so dont matter.

 

GPU block before a quick clean.

IMG_20190320_124302.jpg

 

And after

IMG_20190325_165946.jpg

 

 

System prior to PSU troubleshooting.

The GPU is no longer vertically mounted and the fans were replaced with NF-A12x25s. The next time I do some maintenance ill re mount the GPU vertically so its back to how it looks below.

 

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On 4/5/2022 at 5:32 PM, SolarNova said:

hehehe.

The 3930k has been the best purchasing decision i've ever made, was way overkill for a gaming rig when i bought it, but has certainly been worth it. The extra cores have helped keep it more usable vs that of the more mainstream 2500k,2600k, and 2700k of the time.

 

I stripped down the loop a couple years ago when i upgraded from the original GPU in the loop (a 780 classified) to the 1080ti.

The CPU block lost all its nickle plating and had surface corrosion, nothing a bit of cleaning couldn't fix.

The rads needed a good soak and flush with vinegar, and the soft tubing replaced.

The res/pump combo is fine since the res is glass no staining, the pump is still kicking running at its max speed the whole time. Even if it died tomorrow its a simple thing to replace, any D5 will fit in the res.

The fittings just needed a little cleaning.

Considering i had the OG loop running for roughly two 4 year stretches between flushes using ONLY Distilled (no additives or kill coil) it held up well.

The 780 classified block was also corroded, (think i still got the pics saved,u can see them below).

 

I wouldnt recommend doing what i did though, corrosion inhibitors should be used, I use straight distilled + corrosion inhibitor and biocide now.

 

As for the CPU and motherboard, the VRM heatsink runs toasty (dunno actual temp, no sensors) but otherwise no problems. The original OC i did back when i built the system is still running with no extra voltage needed so no degradation i've noticed. Performance wise, it holds up well enough, im not targeting super high FPS and if I have GPU usage spare ill usually enable DSR for some extra fidelity.

 

The only part that has failed from the OG build has been the PSU. It didn't outright 'pop' , the system just started being unstable, crashing and such. After troubleshooting, inc a complete reinstall of a fresh OS, and removing a GPU riser which i thought could be the issue, i bought a new PSU last month and its been fine since. Not surprising really, even for a high end PSU ..10 years is pushing it.

 

 

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Pics from 780 classified to 1080ti strip down a few years back. This is the 780 classifed block.

Havnt got pics of the CPU block, but its still in use and has corrosion all over similar to that on the GPU block around the fins. No performance impact, purely aesthetic, the block is opaque however so dont matter.

 

GPU block before a quick clean.

IMG_20190320_124302.jpg

 

And after

IMG_20190325_165946.jpg

 

 

System prior to PSU troubleshooting.

The GPU is no longer vertically mounted and the fans were replaced with NF-A12x25s. The next time I do some maintenance ill re mount the GPU vertically so its back to how it looks below.

 

https://linustechtips.com/uploads/monthly_2020_05/image.jpeg.52d76e910ca0d732fdedb8ccd0c5b9fa.jpeg

 

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33 minutes ago, Ryan829 said:

What's your upgrade plan now that HEDT is dead? Mainstream I9 or Ryzen 9?

Depends on a few factors really. Predominantly price.


 

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I wont upgrade until I change my display.

Im STILL rocking a 1080p Plasma display, waiting on the right OLED to come along.

The Dell/Alienware OLED monitor is great but going from 42" down to 34" just isnt going to work for me, 38" would have been ok but not 34".

The LG 42" C2 is an option, but tbh its to expensive for its size, I was expecting closer to £1000.

Ideally a larger OLED monitor will come out at some point, and hopefully with Variable BFI which would be amazing for motion clarity.

 

Anyway once i do upgrade my Display ill need to upgrade my GPU, hopefully by then prices will be back to normal and i can get a x80ti 'class' GPU (so could also be AMD, im not beholden to either manufacturer) for the traditional price of ~£700.

I wont hold my breath on that though, even if retail prices return to normal, the MSRPs were raised in 2018/19, especially for the top end cards, i doubt they will return to normal.

 

The rest of the system will likely stay as is unless it significantly impacts my ability to run the games im playing at that point. At the moment its not, and since im not aiming for 240hz gaming I dont need to worry about CPU bottlenecks all that much. Things only 'start' to become noticeable at above 120fps, and ill be aiming for 120-144fps at 4k so it may or may not end up requiring a new build. ATM at 4k (and thus sub 120fps in most cases), u'd be surprised how little CPU affects FPS in 'most' games.

 

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8 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

Depends on a few factors really. Predominantly price.


 

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I wont upgrade until I change my display.

Im STILL rocking a 1080p Plasma display, waiting on the right OLED to come along.

The Dell/Alienware OLED monitor is great but going from 42" down to 34" just isnt going to work for me, 38" would have been ok but not 34".

The LG 42" C2 is an option, but tbh its to expensive for its size, I was expecting closer to £1000.

Ideally a larger OLED monitor will come out at some point, and hopefully with Variable BFI which would be amazing for motion clarity.

 

Anyway once i do upgrade my Display ill need to upgrade my GPU, hopefully by then prices will be back to normal and i can get a x80ti 'class' GPU (so could also be AMD, im not beholden to either manufacturer) for the traditional price of ~£700.

I wont hold my breath on that though, even if retail prices return to normal, the MSRPs were raised in 2018/19, especially for the top end cards, i doubt they will return to normal.

 

The rest of the system will likely stay as is unless it significantly impacts my ability to run the games im playing at that point. At the moment its not, and since im not aiming for 240hz gaming I dont need to worry about CPU bottlenecks all that much. Things only 'start' to become noticeable at above 120fps, and ill be aiming for 120-144fps at 4k so it may or may not end up requiring a new build. ATM at 4k (and thus sub 120fps in most cases), u'd be surprised how little CPU affects FPS in 'most' games.

 

Yeah, price is important especially with having to get a new cpu block etc. 

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