Apple under fire for their Idiotic decision to charge 27% for 3rd party payments

[HRD]

On 2/17/2022 at 10:06 PM, pas008 said:

if you want security on 14 but forced to update to 15

topic here

Apple is the best when it comes to supporting older phones. all the phones running iOS 14 can be updated to iOS 15. that's why apple stopped the updates to iOS 14. just last September Apple released iOS 12.5.5 for older iPhones because they cannot to updated to the latest iOS version.

[RejZoR]

11 minutes ago, HRD said:

Apple is the best when it comes to supporting older phones. all the phones running iOS 14 can be updated to iOS 15. that's why apple stopped the updates to iOS 14. just last September Apple released iOS 12.5.5 for older iPhones because they cannot to updated to the latest iOS version.

I can't seem to find exact data how far back iOS 14 and thus iOS 15 goes? I know iPhone 6s from 2015 was eligible for iOS 15. Do you have any info on iPhone 5s? Is it stuck on iOS 13 or iOS 12 ? If it was eligible for iOS 14, then it would also get iOS 15, but I don't think that was the case.

[Brooksie359]

2 hours ago, darknessblade said:

Exactly, People just don't realize what kind of power the EU has.

 

And are complaining of even the slightest change, to their glorious dictator.

 

The main reason they don't understand that, apple is ANTI-CONSUMER, is because they gotten used getting screwed over by apple to the point, of thinking its normal. Not knowing apple is actually violating the law.

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They just try to find any possible argument to give a reason, why apple should be allowed to violate the law.

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And from what i can see every time i call em out on their BS, with solid proof of apple being anti-consumer, they do not give any counter argument against me. since they know i am right, and do not want to dig their grave deeper.

Let's be honest here and say it how it is. This is clearly less of an anticonsumer issue as a anticompetitive issue. That 30% cut being taken has little effect on the consumer. This is all about app developers and has little to do with consumers. It honestly makes me laugh when epic trys to spin this as them caring about consumers when they simply want more money. It has 0 to do with some righteous cause and all to do with epic being salty that they got caught breaking tos and being kicked off the apple app store because they were being super greedy. 

[HRD]

1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

I can't seem to find exact data how far back iOS 14 and thus iOS 15 goes? I know iPhone 6s from 2015 was eligible for iOS 15. Do you have any info on iPhone 5s? Is it stuck on iOS 13 or iOS 12 ? If it was eligible for iOS 14, then it would also get iOS 15, but I don't think that was the case.

[RejZoR]

@HRD

Damn, Apple had better long term support in 2008 with iPhone 3G than most Android phones offer in 2022...

[mecarry30]

5 hours ago, mr moose said:

You could, but the fridge not only doesn't make up half of any significant market, but also no one is writing apps for it.  In the event that samsung has half the market share and 3rd party apps for iot devices such as fridges are in high demand and they did happen limit the sale of apps to their own store, then charge 30% for a simply in app purchase, then it would be exactly the same.    That's a lot of things that have to happen before it becomes the same thing.

 

I hope you can see why your example is not reflective of the actual problem.

How about Xbox or Playstation then? 50% market share, only limited to their own stores, usually sold at a profit after initial loss, and even when selling from other distributors they take a cut - it would be like Apple taking a cut from third party payment systems, which I think is stupid. I could file a complaint for them, but not only would it not have much effect, it wouldn't really have any meaningful merit.

[Kisai]

40 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

@HRD

Damn, Apple had better long term support in 2008 with iPhone 3G than most Android phones offer in 2022...

And there's been NO IMPROVEMENT in Android life-span either.

 

Meanwhile, Apple is like "We'll support it as long as it doesn't make the phone too slow"

 

Which is the same with Microsoft. People whine-complain about being forced to upgrade the OS, but do realize that Microsoft used to come out with a new-but-barely-different-OS every 2 years. Between 1994 and 2001, Microsoft came out with Windows 95, 98, 98SE, and ME and also 2K. Where as NT 4.0 came out in 1996 and was supported officially until 2005. XP came out in 2002 and was supported officially until 2014, and in some cases 2019. 

 

MacOS? 10.4 worked on PPC macs and Intel macs, and if you had one of these 2006 32-bit Intel macs, you had until 10.6. If you had an Intel Mac with a 64-bit CPU (Machines that came with 10.6 and later) you could install OSX up to 10.14, depending on the machine. Current versions of OSX require a 2014 MacMini or better. Yes, you can install the latest OS on a 8 year old Mac.

 

In some ways I feel that people complaining about being "forced to upgrade" is a distraction from the fact that many devices become "slower" with OS updates and that might be why people hold back updates. I personally hold back updates on my iPhone until I'm home and have time to look at what's being updated. I'll update the OS when it's the weekend. I'll update all the stupid apps (which update stupidly frequent, in that 20-30 of them will want an update every week.) The day before I need them. This has only caught me off-guard with the Subway app which has twice needed an update while I've been standing in line at the restaurant, so I had to hold up the line for an extra 2 minutes while it updated.

 

The point being is that there are consequences to not updating, and while I'd be fine letting the phone update these things, there is no way to tell the phone to go "always keep this specific app up to date, because I need it daily" over "update this game only if I've played it in the last 30 days", because even on Windows, Steam will needlessly update games that I haven't played in months, or even years. I have to either uninstall them, or tell Steam to "stop updating this game automatically", which the Apple store doesn't do. For Apple it's an all-or-nothing, and if the machine or phone is turned off for an extensive amount of time, it will suddenly want to update everything if you tell it to update.

 

At any rate. Android wouldn't be such a poor platform to develop on if there was long term support for devices. It's such a crapshoot if any particular application will ever work on any specific device already, add into OS versions and potential JB OS's and you'd never develop for Android first. Develop for iOS , port the iOS version to the flagship Android phones, and then see what else is capable of running it, screw everyone else.

 

[RejZoR]

I just update to latest version no matter what. Have done so with Windows, Linux, Android and iOS (and WatchOS). I even update all BIOS to latest no matter what, always. On motherboards, laptops, graphic cards. Always have, probably always will.

[darknessblade]

3 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

That 30% cut being taken has little effect on the consumer. This is all about app developers and has little to do with consumers. 

Better take a look at prices from Services like Netflix, Spotify, HULU, and the rest.

 

And you will see that they are 30% higher on IOS devices than they are on other platforms. like their own website

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, darknessblade said:

Better take a look at prices from Services like Netflix, Spotify, HULU, and the rest.

 

And you will see that they are 30% higher on IOS devices than they are on other platforms. like their own website

As far as I know Netflix doesn't even do in app subscriptions. Also again you could easily subscribe to those services without doing so on your phone so idk what the problem is. Also you act like this isn't the exact same on Android in terms of cut. Also I am not even sure if they are more expensive as I believe Apple even had something in the tos about increasing the price exclusively for ios not being allowed. 

[darknessblade]

21 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

As far as I know Netflix doesn't even do in app subscriptions. Also again you could easily subscribe to those services without doing so on your phone so idk what the problem is. Also you act like this isn't the exact same on Android in terms of cut. Also I am not even sure if they are more expensive as I believe Apple even had something in the tos about increasing the price exclusively for ios not being allowed. 

On android its different, as they are allowed to link to their own website, so users save the 30%

 

https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/05/netflix-apple-in-app-purchase/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dbloom/2019/03/19/apple-netflix-reed-hastings-streaming-video-cannes-subscriptions/

https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/28/18159373/netflix-in-app-subscriptions-iphone-ipad-ios-apple

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/25097

 

[mr moose]

5 hours ago, mecarry30 said:

How about Xbox or Playstation then? 50% market share, only limited to their own stores, usually sold at a profit after initial loss, and even when selling from other distributors they take a cut - it would be like Apple taking a cut from third party payment systems, which I think is stupid. I could file a complaint for them, but not only would it not have much effect, it wouldn't really have any meaningful merit.

Yep, and we hate all that stuff too.  But you need to account for the entire life cycle of a product to determine when the profit actual becomes a profit and where it comes from.  

 

I don't like how the consoles do the same thing with the store, however I won't defend/support them as there is large difference between apple and consoles in that apple is profit all the way at the expense of a free market and consoles are a loss then maybe profit.  Then throw into the mix that consoles and mobiles are completely different end use products,  phones are everyday necessities for most users, they have replaced PC's for many people (this greatly effects how market power is leveraged).  Consoles are bought purely as a luxury item that is not necessary.       

 

 

 

 

[mr moose]

2 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

As far as I know Netflix doesn't even do in app subscriptions. Also again you could easily subscribe to those services without doing so on your phone so idk what the problem is. Also you act like this isn't the exact same on Android in terms of cut. Also I am not even sure if they are more expensive as I believe Apple even had something in the tos about increasing the price exclusively for ios not being allowed. 

 

Last time I had a subscription service on ios it was 17% more expensive on ios than android (both using the in store sub services). 

[RejZoR]

Because lets all pretend you can't subscribe to services outside of apps at all... Netflix, Curiosity Stream, ProtonMail, pCloud... all subscribed outside of apps and being used on iOS. Had so for more than 3 years, so it's not a "recent" change.

[HRD]

32 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

Good point! App developers can easily redirect their costumers to a web page so they can get a subscription without the 30% fee on top...

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Wait a minute! 

They can advertise that outside the app by sending emails or buying ads. They just can’t say that inside the app. Which is fair. You cannot force Walmart to advertise that the product is cheaper if they buy it directly from you but you can advertise that yourself outside of Walmart. Do you think it’s fair to force Walmart to advertise that the product is cheaper in Best Buy?? Or is it the consumer job to search for the best price and the competitor's job to advertise that they are selling the product for less

[mr moose]

2 minutes ago, HRD said:

They can advertise that outside the app by sending emails or buying ads. They just can’t say that inside the app. Which is fair. You cannot force Walmart to advertise that the product is cheaper if they buy it directly from you but you can advertise that yourself outside of Walmart. Do you think it’s fair to force Walmart to advertise that the product is cheaper in Best Buy?? Or is it the consumer job to search for the best price and the competitor's job to advertise that they are selling the product for less

 

Inside a developers app is their realm, it's their product, their work, their software.  The entire concept that they are not allowed to point their customers to their own website is absurd.  This is not even remotely like forcing walmart to advertise cheaper prices for someone else's shop.   

[RejZoR]

Because typing "netflix" in Google is hard... If people can dig some god forsaken promo codes from fucking shadiest webpages one can imagine, making excuses "people don't know" in age when everyone fucking searches entire internet over to get lower prices is the lamest excuse I've ever heard.

[mr moose]

49 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Because typing "netflix" in Google is hard... If people can dig some god forsaken promo codes from fucking shadiest webpages one can imagine, making excuses "people don't know" in age when everyone fucking searches entire internet over to get lower prices is the lamest excuse I've ever heard.

So Apple is allowed to screw over app developers because people can use google?     We really are scraping the bottom of the barrel for a defense now.

[RejZoR]

Same could be said for people being pissy even when there are alternative means that cost you nothing to use. But muh whining over Apple.

[darknessblade]

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

So Apple is allowed to screw over app developers because people can use google?     We really are scraping the bottom of the barrel for a defense now.

Don't you mean trying to find a grain of sugar in the ocean

[darknessblade]

On 2/14/2022 at 7:43 PM, RejZoR said:

There is no real alternative for Windows. Saying there is Linux is not the same. There is for iOS. It's not even remotely the same.

AAH yes Android is a "Alternative" for IOS

 

NO IT IS NOT.

 

-Can you install android on a IPHONE "without Jailbreaking it": NO: YOU CANNOT.

-Can you install Linux on any WINDOWS "compatible" PC, without changing any settings: YES YOU CAN.

 

There you go, your last argument destroyed.

 

[Kisai]

45 minutes ago, darknessblade said:

AAH yes Android is a "Alternative" for IOS

 

NO IT IS NOT.

 

-Can you install android on a IPHONE "without Jailbreaking it": NO: YOU CANNOT.

-Can you install Linux on any WINDOWS "compatible" PC, without changing any settings: YES YOU CAN.

 

There you go, your last argument destroyed.

 

False. You have to destroy the existing OS in both cases.

 

- You can't install ARM Linux on an ARM Windows device

- You can't install most Linux distros on a whitebox PC without a lot of mucking in the BIOS and then even more mucking with the OS for drivers and tunables.

 

The closest Linux ever got to being "easy to try" was at one point in time there was a distro could could boot off a CD (eg Knoppix) and assuming you knew how to make the PC boot a disc. That only works to try a small amount of things, and most of the time, if you installed Linux to a Windows PC, it obliterated the Windows partition, and if you ever had to update/reinstall windows, it would obliterate the dual boot configuration. 

 

You have to do quite a bit of PC voodoo to make a dual-boot PC, and it wasn't until like Windows 7 that it was even possible to have a Linux OS partition survive a windows reinstall, assuming you went through the effort of using the Windows boot manager and not Linux's

 

Linux can't get things right that Apple manages to get right. Because again, it's herding cats. Every OS believes it can do everything better, and ultimately does everything worse except for the core developers pet reason for forking it in the first place. We do not need hundreds of variations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions

 

At most, we only ever needed three. One for Embedded, one for Server and one for Desktop/Laptop. So far Server has pretty much de-facto been Redhat. Use something else at your own risk. Desktop, total crapshoot. When mobile (as in mobile phones), that should have been the desktop experience scaled down to a touch experience, instead we got Android which is a fork of the Linux kernel without any of the parts that make a Linux OS Linux. Which to it's benefit, at least solves the herding cats problem of OS forks (developers only have to target "Android",) but doesn't solve the problem of vendors putting it on garbage hardware and selling it at premium prices, thus developers still have to content with people complaining that their software or game doesn't work on their device because the manufacturer cut corners.

 

An iOS device does not have that problem at all. You develop an application or game for iOS, it works on ALL devices that the OS is still supported for. Same with MacOS, you develop for MacOS, it works on ALL Mac's that the targeted OS is still supported on. 

 

In many cases the problem with Linux is the community itself. You criticize Linux in any way, and the people come out of the woodwork to try and prove you wrong, and never do, they just end up proving the point that Linux as a Desktop is, and always will be a bad platform for the masses, because the Linux community is so hellbent on gatekeeping people who aren't nerds out of it by shooting down quality of life improvements that bring it closer to MacOS or Windows.

 

 

[RejZoR]

51 minutes ago, darknessblade said:

AAH yes Android is a "Alternative" for IOS

 

NO IT IS NOT.

 

-Can you install android on a IPHONE "without Jailbreaking it": NO: YOU CANNOT.

-Can you install Linux on any WINDOWS "compatible" PC, without changing any settings: YES YOU CAN.

 

There you go, your last argument destroyed.

 

Clearly shows you haven't ever installed a custom ROM on a phone. Guess who has. Me. Back in the day when it was an absolute fuckery to perform. Boy the shit I went through with my HTC Wildfire to install CyanogenMod on it. Same for Galaxy S2 which was even worse with its weird storage partitioning. I literally had to perform a witchcraft on both with super questionable "loader" apps and they both ended up beyond super janky. It got even worse when bootloaders from that era weren't compatible with ROM's of later time and I somehow couldn't install new TWRP on it because the TWRP for CyanogenMod was some custom shit incompatible with vanilla one. Then I've gone through more witchcraft to replace defunct CyanogenMod with LineageOS. More recently, unlocking bootloaders and installing TWRP got easier, but whole thing is still so god damn janky it's incredible. Couldn't get any banking stuff working on the phone because it had unlocked bootloader, despite not being rooted at all. Just running LineageOS. Which all I got was daily nightlies (yay) and a requirement to do more witchcraft fuckery with Magisk to make it half usable. I'm used to all this shit and I still had super hard time and you're here saying like it's something anyone can do on Sunday.

 

You didn't destroy anything, well, other than yourself. Even installing Android of choice on phone that came with Android in the first place out of the box, is an absolute fuckery NO casual user will ever do. And if they do, chances are, those people will end up asking what to do now that they bricked their phone.

 

Can you install Android on any Android "approved" phone without unlocking bootloader that's easy and convenient and not the fuckery it still is now? NO: YOU CANNOT

 

Not to mention I don't understand people who Jailbreak iPhones. They literally pick up one of rare devices that works superbly out of the box and it's literally great the way it is because it's tightly controlled by the vendor of it and they go and fuck it up and make it more inconvenient to maintain and use. Android ROM's are not much different. Everyone throws them around as some sort of argument, but they are so inconvenient, so impractical, so clumsy and require user to invest so much time into them to even get them working they simply stop making any kind of sense.

 

Which is why I stayed with stock software that came with phone and I decided to use device that has longest software support. Which is an iPhone and beats all the Android phones in existence. ALL of them. Only other second viable option are Samsung phones because of same reason. Factory Android that has reasonably long software support for it to not matter. Flashing of ROM's is absolutely and totally overrated and always used as some sort of "gotcha" argument for Android's "openness" and you people always leave out facts about how stupid and inconvenient all of it is.And I find oddly peculiar similarities within Linux community... Guess what, I've been fiddling with Linux from days when Knoppix was a popular thing and I had Slax my pocket on a 8cm miniCD and I have whole lot of stories about that too. Also some very recent ones too. Very similar to the one about "magical" things about Android above...

[Brooksie359]

2 hours ago, darknessblade said:

AAH yes Android is a "Alternative" for IOS

 

NO IT IS NOT.

 

-Can you install android on a IPHONE "without Jailbreaking it": NO: YOU CANNOT.

-Can you install Linux on any WINDOWS "compatible" PC, without changing any settings: YES YOU CAN.

 

There you go, your last argument destroyed.

 

Calling Linux an alternative to windows is like calling mayo an alternative to ketchup. They are both condiments but clearly they are vastly different. Windows and Linux are both operating systems but they are clearly  vastly different and if you asked a windows user to try and get by with Linux you would find that alot of people would struggle to do so. You compare that to ios vs android and you can see that people can easily switch between the two with relative ease. Now the whole complaint that you can't get android on iphones doesn't really change that. 

[darknessblade]

  

1 hour ago, Kisai said:

False. You have to destroy the existing OS in both cases.

 

- You can't install ARM Linux on an ARM Windows device

- You can't install most Linux distros on a whitebox PC without a lot of mucking in the BIOS and then even more mucking with the OS for drivers and tunables.

 

The closest Linux ever got to being "easy to try" was at one point in time there was a distro could could boot off a CD (eg Knoppix) and assuming you knew how to make the PC boot a disc. That only works to try a small amount of things, and most of the time, if you installed Linux to a Windows PC, it obliterated the Windows partition, and if you ever had to update/reinstall windows, it would obliterate the dual boot configuration. 

 

You have to do quite a bit of PC voodoo to make a dual-boot PC, and it wasn't until like Windows 7 that it was even possible to have a Linux OS partition survive a windows reinstall, assuming you went through the effort of using the Windows boot manager and not Linux's

 

Linux can't get things right that Apple manages to get right. Because again, it's herding cats. Every OS believes it can do everything better, and ultimately does everything worse except for the core developers pet reason for forking it in the first place. We do not need hundreds of variations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions

 

At most, we only ever needed three. One for Embedded, one for Server and one for Desktop/Laptop. So far Server has pretty much de-facto been Redhat. Use something else at your own risk. Desktop, total crapshoot. When mobile (as in mobile phones), that should have been the desktop experience scaled down to a touch experience, instead we got Android which is a fork of the Linux kernel without any of the parts that make a Linux OS Linux. Which to it's benefit, at least solves the herding cats problem of OS forks (developers only have to target "Android",) but doesn't solve the problem of vendors putting it on garbage hardware and selling it at premium prices, thus developers still have to content with people complaining that their software or game doesn't work on their device because the manufacturer cut corners.

 

An iOS device does not have that problem at all. You develop an application or game for iOS, it works on ALL devices that the OS is still supported for. Same with MacOS, you develop for MacOS, it works on ALL Mac's that the targeted OS is still supported on. 

 

In many cases the problem with Linux is the community itself. You criticize Linux in any way, and the people come out of the woodwork to try and prove you wrong, and never do, they just end up proving the point that Linux as a Desktop is, and always will be a bad platform for the masses, because the Linux community is so hellbent on gatekeeping people who aren't nerds out of it by shooting down quality of life improvements that bring it closer to MacOS or Windows.

 

 

Yet in all cases where i installed Linux. i did not have to change a single thing regarding settings.

But then again, i would already shrink the windows partition. or use a spare HDD. for said linux OS.

Which allows me to install it as a DUAL boot system with ease. and without any issues afterwards.

 

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ALSO the reason there are soo many Linux distro's all originating from a Normal Linux Distro. is because Said OS does not have Feature XXX which you want. so they make that feature, call the linux distro different.

but then someone does not need feature XXX but wants feature YYY. so they create a distro as well.

 

Keep doing this for generations of features, and you get the 100+ Linux distro's we know today.

 

Just because there are over 100 versions does not mean it is a terrible OS.

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As for IOS apple is also all to keen on Killing off features, just to make sure they are still in control

https://clearbridgemobile.com/apple-dropping-32-bit-app-support-will-impact-app/

So your point that if you have created a IOS app, it will be forever supported is also false

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You also speak of the Linux community gatekeeping. Please list some examples of this.

Where "DIE HARD Linux fans" do not want quality of life features.

  

39 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Clearly shows you haven't ever installed a custom ROM on a phone. Guess who has. Me. Back in the day when it was an absolute fuckery to perform. Boy the shit I went through with my HTC Wildfire to install CyanogenMod on it. Same for Galaxy S2 which was even worse with its weird storage partitioning. I literally had to perform a witchcraft on both with super questionable "loader" apps and they both ended up beyond super janky. It got even worse when bootloaders from that era weren't compatible with ROM's of later time and I somehow couldn't install new TWRP on it because the TWRP for CyanogenMod was some custom shit incompatible with vanilla one. Then I've gone through more witchcraft to replace defunct CyanogenMod with LineageOS. More recently, unlocking bootloaders and installing TWRP got easier, but whole thing is still so god damn janky it's incredible. Couldn't get any banking stuff working on the phone because it had unlocked bootloader, despite not being rooted at all. Just running LineageOS. Which all I got was daily nightlies (yay) and a requirement to do more witchcraft fuckery with Magisk to make it half usable. I'm used to all this shit and I still had super hard time and you're here saying like it's something anyone can do on Sunday.

 

You didn't destroy anything, well, other than yourself. Even installing Android of choice on phone that came with Android in the first place out of the box, is an absolute fuckery NO casual user will ever do. And if they do, chances are, those people will end up asking what to do now that they bricked their phone.

 

Can you install Android on any Android "approved" phone without unlocking bootloader that's easy and convenient and not the fuckery it still is now? NO: YOU CANNOT

 

Not to mention I don't understand people who Jailbreak iPhones. They literally pick up one of rare devices that works superbly out of the box and it's literally great the way it is because it's tightly controlled by the vendor of it and they go and fuck it up and make it more inconvenient to maintain and use. Android ROM's are not much different. Everyone throws them around as some sort of argument, but they are so inconvenient, so impractical, so clumsy and require user to invest so much time into them to even get them working they simply stop making any kind of sense.

 

Which is why I stayed with stock software that came with phone and I decided to use device that has longest software support. Which is an iPhone and beats all the Android phones in existence. ALL of them. Only other second viable option are Samsung phones because of same reason. Factory Android that has reasonably long software support for it to not matter. Flashing of ROM's is absolutely and totally overrated and always used as some sort of "gotcha" argument for Android's "openness" and you people always leave out facts about how stupid and inconvenient all of it is.And I find oddly peculiar similarities within Linux community... Guess what, I've been fiddling with Linux from days when Knoppix was a popular thing and I had Slax my pocket on a 8cm miniCD and I have whole lot of stories about that too. Also some very recent ones too. Very similar to the one about "magical" things about Android above...

 

AND yet again you are contradicting yourself by saying NO to jailbreaking YES to rooting.

 

So you do not want people to Jailbreak their Iphone, telling them to just get ANDROID.

but you are fine with Android people rooting their phone, to "install" a different OS/android fork. or use features you can only use with ROOT access

 

You do know android is OPEN-SOURCE, so its easier for the community to make and build Custom roms, that are just as good If not better than the original android build that is on phones.

 

ALSO you cannot compare the old way of rooting/installing a custom Android rom, to the current ways.

why do you think 99% of all custom rom sites say: "USE AT OWN RISK"

The reason most phones Have terrible Custom rom support is often due the fact, that it is a unpopular phone. thus the community has very little reason to support or build a custom rom for said Phone.  

 

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

Calling Linux an alternative to windows is like calling mayo an alternative to ketchup. They are both condiments but clearly they are vastly different. Windows and Linux are both operating systems but they are clearly  vastly different and if you asked a windows user to try and get by with Linux you would find that alot of people would struggle to do so. You compare that to ios vs android and you can see that people can easily switch between the two with relative ease. Now the whole complaint that you can't get android on iphones doesn't really change that. 

And that is my exact point.

Each OS is different, and should be treated as such.

And i am not comparing IOS and ANDROID, i just point out that they are different. 

 

The only reason i used the android on Iphone argument is because Rejzor, said if you hate windows just USE XXXX

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And if Microsoft where to be Monopolistic, nobody would even care of them getting forced to revert/change said decision, for doing so.

 

But apple OH no NOT apple..... They are not monopolistic AT ALL......, they only own 23-24% of the global market share

https://www.statista.com/statistics/216459/global-market-share-of-apple-iphone/

Yet they own 42% in the Netherlands

https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/netherlands

Which is as i said multiple times before, the very Country where apple is getting fined and forced to implement these changes.

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It still baffles me why people support this !!ANTI CONSUMER Behavior!! Apple is doing.

 

Since if ANTI trust regulators say its Anti-consumer, it is ANTI CONSUMER Behavior.