CPU temp - too high ?

[Mikey89]

Hello

 

So was looking at my temps since it was hotter because summer started.

 

I checked a few times and it seems when browsing and youtube the CPU spikes up to 60'C even 66'C - RYZEN 5 3600

 

Is that too much ?

 

When gaming CPU temps doing go beyond 70-72'C even during summer.

[Hinjima]

1 minute ago, Mikey89 said:

Hello

 

So was looking at my temps since it was hotter because summer started.

 

I checked a few times and it seems when browsing and youtube the CPU spikes up to 60'C even 66'C - RYZEN 5 3600

 

Is that too much ?

 

When gaming CPU temps doing go beyond 70-72'C even during summer.

Those are actually very decent temperatures and absolutely nothing to worry about.

The gaming temps are excellent  Anything under 88c on the Ryzen 3600 I would say is acceptable.

[YoungBlade]

The max safe temperature for a Ryzen 5 3600 according to AMD is 95C, so you're well away from that.

 

I wouldn't worry about it until it gets up into the mid-80s when gaming, especially if the ambient temperature is close to 30C.

[Mikey89]

Just now, YoungBlade said:

The max safe temperature for a Ryzen 5 3600 according to AMD is 95C, so you're well away from that.

 

I wouldn't worry about it until it gets up into the mid-80s when gaming, especially if the ambient temperature is close to 30C.

Oh yeah i know max temp is 95'C.

 

I was mostly worried because i saw those spikes to 66'C.

 

Also not sure how relevant this is but i will mention it : last year i changed GPUs went from an GTX 1660 SUPER to an RTX 4060 - on the GTX 1660 SUPER my CPU temps during summer they would spike but i don't think they'd go beyond 57-60'C when browsing or youtube and i mostly only noticed this after changing GPUs.

 

Not sure if that's relevant or not but it's the only change i had hardware-wise.

[YoungBlade]

2 minutes ago, Mikey89 said:

Oh yeah i know max temp is 95'C.

 

I was mostly worried because i saw those spikes to 66'C.

 

Also not sure how relevant this is but i will mention it : last year i changed GPUs went from an GTX 1660 SUPER to an RTX 4060 - on the GTX 1660 SUPER my CPU temps during summer they would spike but i don't think they'd go beyond 57-60'C when browsing or youtube and i mostly only noticed this after changing GPUs.

 

Not sure if that's relevant or not but it's the only change i had hardware-wise.

Your CPU is likely working harder to keep up with the better GPU. That's totally normal.

 

66C is absolutely nothing to worry about. Like both of us said - don't sweat it until you get up into the mid-80s for temperature. Below that, you're totally fine.

[Hinjima]

4 minutes ago, Mikey89 said:

Oh yeah i know max temp is 95'C.

 

I was mostly worried because i saw those spikes to 66'C.

 

Also not sure how relevant this is but i will mention it : last year i changed GPUs went from an GTX 1660 SUPER to an RTX 4060 - on the GTX 1660 SUPER my CPU temps during summer they would spike but i don't think they'd go beyond 57-60'C when browsing or youtube and i mostly only noticed this after changing GPUs.

 

Not sure if that's relevant or not but it's the only change i had hardware-wise.

Those spikes are still within safe temperatures.

The only temps you really need to worry about is the temps during 100% load or heavy gaming.

The CPU doesn't care if its at 40c or 66c.

 

And with a faster GPU the CPU has more breathing room to it will work a bit harder and this is what you want!  More performance baby!

[Mikey89]

1 minute ago, YoungBlade said:

Your CPU is likely working harder to keep up with the better GPU. That's totally normal.

 

66C is absolutely nothing to worry about. Like both of us said - don't sweat it until you get up into the mid-80s for temperature. Below that, you're totally fine.

So upgrading the GPU didn't affect the CPU temp at all ?

 

I mostly only noticed the higher CPU temps when browsing after the GPU upgrade - before that it used to hit 57-60'C when browsing i think even in the summer.

[Mikey89]

2 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

Those spikes are still within safe temperatures.

The only temps you really need to worry about is the temps during 100% load or heavy gaming.

The CPU doesn't care if its at 40c or 66c.

So upgrading the GPU didn't affect the CPU temp at all ?

 

I mostly only noticed the higher CPU temps when browsing after the GPU upgrade - before that it used to hit 57-60'C when browsing i think even in the summer.

[Agall]

5 minutes ago, Mikey89 said:

Oh yeah i know max temp is 95'C.

 

I was mostly worried because i saw those spikes to 66'C.

 

Also not sure how relevant this is but i will mention it : last year i changed GPUs went from an GTX 1660 SUPER to an RTX 4060 - on the GTX 1660 SUPER my CPU temps during summer they would spike but i don't think they'd go beyond 57-60'C when browsing or youtube and i mostly only noticed this after changing GPUs.

 

Not sure if that's relevant or not but it's the only change i had hardware-wise.

If you're not seeing red numbers, you're fine.

 

People focus too heavily on temperature, its simply a result of other variables. Unless its out of spec or you're trying to do extreme overclocking, within operating bands is perfectly acceptable.

 

At 66C spikes, you've got plenty of room to lower fan speeds if you'd rather have a quieter system.

[Agall]

Just now, Mikey89 said:

So upgrading the GPU didn't affect the CPU temp at all ?

 

I mostly only noticed the higher CPU temps when browsing after the GPU upgrade - before that it used to hit 57-60'C when browsing i think even in the summer.

A better GPU can make your CPU work harder, also, the GPU is higher wattage, so increasing the temperature of the air inside the case.

[Mikey89]

1 minute ago, Agall said:

A better GPU can make your CPU work harder, also, the GPU is higher wattage, so increasing the temperature of the air inside the case.

Uh i think the 4060 actually has lower wattage at 115W - if i remember right my GTX 1660 SUPER had a wattage of 125W

[Agall]

Just now, Mikey89 said:

Uh i think the 4060 actually has lower wattage at 115W - if i remember right my GTX 1660 SUPER had a wattage of 125W

Listed TDP/TGP's aren't always accurate. RTX 4060's recommended PSU for AIB models is higher, even up to 550W compared to the 1660S's 450W. That's a better indicator than intergenerational TDP/TGP comparisons. RTX 4060 is closer to 130W, higher power supply requirements point towards higher steady state power draw too.

 

Extra 10W's or so over time does add up, but, most likely, because your CPU is working harder.

[Mikey89]

2 minutes ago, Agall said:

Listed TDP/TGP's aren't always accurate. RTX 4060's recommended PSU for AIB models is higher, even up to 550W compared to the 1660S's 450W. That's a better indicator than intergenerational TDP/TGP comparisons. RTX 4060 is closer to 130W, higher power supply requirements point towards higher steady state power draw too.

 

Extra 10W's or so over time does add up, but, most likely, because your CPU is working harder.

OK but if the 4060 is overall a way better GPU and would make the CPU harder - wouldn't that be more noticeable when gaming ?

 

I mean the 4060 isn't doing barely anything - it's mostly youtube and GPU fans are even spinning, shouldn't the CPU not work as hard when browsing or watching videos ?

[YoungBlade]

2 minutes ago, Mikey89 said:

OK but if the 4060 is overall a way better GPU and would make the CPU harder - wouldn't that be more noticeable when gaming ?

 

I mean the 4060 isn't doing barely anything - it's mostly youtube and GPU fans are even spinning, shouldn't the CPU not work as hard when browsing or watching videos ?

With Ryzen, the opposite can be the case.

 

Tdie/Tctrl (the temperature usually reported as the CPU temp) is a hotspot temperature - whatever part of the CPU is hottest, that's what Tdie will register.

 

When you are only doing a light task, that often means that just a core or two can handle it. The way that Ryzen boosts, the fewer cores in use, the higher the clockspeed it's allowed to have. So if just a single core is in use, you might get the CPU running that core at 4.2GHz. What this means is that the single core is going to have higher voltage and more power flowing into it than it would if all the cores were active, and the power was split between all of them.

 

So your Tdie temperature might actually be higher when doing a minimal task like web browsing, because just one core is getting hot and doing all of the work, while the other cores are cold and idle.

[Mikey89]

4 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

With Ryzen, the opposite can be the case.

 

Tdie/Tctrl (the temperature usually reported as the CPU temp) is a hotspot temperature - whatever part of the CPU is hottest, that's what Tdie will register.

 

When you are only doing a light task, that often means that just a core or two can handle it. The way that Ryzen boosts, the fewer cores in use, the higher the clockspeed it's allowed to have. So if just a single core is in use, you might get the CPU running that core at 4.2GHz. What this means is that the single core is going to have higher voltage and more power flowing into it than it would if all the cores were active, and the power was split between all of them.

 

So your Tdie temperature might actually be higher when doing a minimal task like web browsing, because just one core is getting hot and doing all of the work, while the other cores are cold and idle.

Yeah i did notice at times when looking with task manager that frequency spikes up and down like crazy.

[Agall]

6 minutes ago, Mikey89 said:

OK but if the 4060 is overall a way better GPU and would make the CPU harder - wouldn't that be more noticeable when gaming ?

 

I mean the 4060 isn't doing barely anything - it's mostly youtube and GPU fans are even spinning, shouldn't the CPU not work as hard when browsing or watching videos ?

It depends, if you're using Super Resolution in your browser, you'll get higher power draw since the tensor cores are being used in the GPU. That'll also increase CPU utilization. 

 

RTX 4060 is a better GPU than a 1660S, which is the point. Higher framerates increases CPU utilization, a better dGPU can push higher framerates. Overall, your system's power draw likely went up going to an RTX 4060, but probably not by much. Unless you were measuring this before and after, its hard to say definitively, but most likely the case, including higher GPU wattage draw going from a GTX 1660S to a 4060.

 

It could even be as nuanced as that RTX 4060 having a better cooler than the GTX 1660S you had which'll do a better job at dissipating the same energy into the case, potentially causing higher overall draw from your dGPU since you could've had a thermally limited 1660S. Unless you've got data to prove otherwise, its all possible, just most likely because you're getting higher CPU utilization.

[Mikey89]

2 minutes ago, Agall said:

It depends, if you're using Super Resolution in your browser, you'll get higher power draw since the tensor cores are being used in the GPU. That'll also increase CPU utilization. 

 

RTX 4060 is a better GPU than a 1660S, which is the point. Higher framerates increases CPU utilization, a better dGPU can push higher framerates. Overall, your system's power draw likely went up going to an RTX 4060, but probably not by much. Unless you were measuring this before and after, its hard to say definitively, but most likely the case, including higher GPU wattage draw going from a GTX 1660S to a 4060.

 

It could even be as nuanced as that RTX 4060 having a better cooler than the GTX 1660S you had which'll do a better job at dissipating the same energy into the case, potentially causing higher overall draw from your dGPU since you could've had a thermally limited 1660S. Unless you've got data to prove otherwise, its all possible, just most likely because you're getting higher CPU utilization.

Well the only thing i was measuring were the CPU temps when browsing and youtube - 57-60'C BEFORE and spikes 60-66'C AFTER upgrading the GPU.

 

How can i see if the GPU is using Super Resolution in my browser ?

 

I'm on Firefox.

[Agall]

7 minutes ago, Mikey89 said:

Well the only thing i was measuring were the CPU temps when browsing and youtube - 57-60'C BEFORE and spikes 60-66'C AFTER upgrading the GPU.

 

How can i see if the GPU is using Super Resolution in my browser ?

 

I'm on Firefox.

Nvidia Control Panel > Adjust video image settings > it'll be enabled or disabled, when enabled, it'll show whether its active if you've got the Firefox open and in the foreground.

[Mikey89]

3 minutes ago, Agall said:

Nvidia Control Panel > Adjust video image settings > it'll be enabled or disabled, when enabled, it'll show whether its active if you've got the Firefox open and in the foreground.

OK so i just checked in Nvidia Control Panel - the Super Resolution option is disabled.

[Agall]

3 minutes ago, Mikey89 said:

OK so i just checked in Nvidia Control Panel - the Super Resolution option is disabled.

53 minutes ago, Mikey89 said:

Hello

 

So was looking at my temps since it was hotter because summer started.

 

I checked a few times and it seems when browsing and youtube the CPU spikes up to 60'C even 66'C - RYZEN 5 3600

 

Is that too much ?

 

When gaming CPU temps doing go beyond 70-72'C even during summer.

Then I don't really see a problem here of note, unless you'd like to clarify on specifically what your problem is.

 

Having your system operating under light loads in the 60's is not an issue.

 

Under load, you should see higher CPU temperatures than before simply because your CPU is drawing more watts to keep up with a better dGPU.

 

If you want more details, you'll have to be a lot more specific, like photos of your case configuration, what specific 1660S and 4060 you had/have, what your background applications are like, environmental factors like ambient temperature and humidity, fan curve profiles, etc.

[Mikey89]

1 minute ago, Agall said:

Then I don't really see a problem here of note, unless you'd like to clarify on specifically what your problem is.

 

Having your system operating under light loads in the 60's is not an issue.

 

Under load, you should see higher CPU temperatures than before simply because your CPU is drawing more watts to keep up with a better dGPU.

 

If you want more details, you'll have to be a lot more specific, like photos of your case configuration, what specific 1660S and 4060 you had/have, what your background applications are like, environmental factors like ambient temperature and humidity, fan curve profiles, etc.

OK i'll just not monitor them as much.

 

Many thanks for all the help and info !

[Agall]

1 minute ago, Mikey89 said:

OK i'll just not monitor them as much.

 

Many thanks for all the help and info !

The best way to tell if there's a thermal issue with a processor is to run it under load, not at idle. @YoungBlade makes a solid point that on Ryzen CPUs, they'll sometimes have high average core temps because one core is boosting to its max boost clock to do basic tasks, something I've seen on the dozens of Ryzen CPUs I have.

 

The sensor isn't at the core, its in the socket, so its indirectly measuring the actual core temp too. Any indirect sensor has nuance to it accuracy when not under its maximum designed load. This goes for almost any indirect sensor.