Userbenchmark i9-12900k Throttling?

[Jlee50]

Hi, I just recently upgraded my pc and was running some tests and my CPU was apparently throttling.

 

Any suggestions or help is welcomed as I am not very proficient in computer hardware.

 

Thanks.

 

[SignatureSigner]

do what it tells you to make sure your power state settings are correct then make sure that when your running the benchmark nothing else is using system resources.

[IkeaGnome]

What temperature does it hit? What cooler are you using? What case is this in? 

The more you tell us, the easier it is to help

[RONOTHAN##]

Friends don't let friends use UserBenchmark. Use a more reputable stress test or benchmark. Cinebench, Heaven, 3dMark, etc. are all much better and you don't have to deal with that joke that is UserBenchmark.

 

As for your CPU, what cooler are you using? the 12900k is an inferno of a CPU and requires basically the best CPU coolers on the market to have a shot of cooling it. 

[YoungBlade]

7 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Friends don't let friends use UserBenchmark. Use a more reputable stress test or benchmark. Cinebench, Heaven, 3dMark, etc. are all much better and you don't have to deal with that joke that is UserBenchmark.

 

As for your CPU, what cooler are you using? the 12900k is an inferno of a CPU and requires basically the best CPU coolers on the market to have a shot of cooling it. 

This one, specific use-case of UserBenchmark is valid - comparing hardware performance against equivalent parts. It is a good way to make sure each component is performing as expected.

 

Just because the comparison function between parts is total garbage, and their product reviews are a complete joke, that doesn't mean that the benchmark in-and-of-itself is invalid.

[Jlee50]

Thank you to all the quick responses. Below are all system specs, will attach thermal specs shortly.

 

 

System

• CPU
  Intel(R) Core™ Processor i9-12900K
• Motherboard
  MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4
• RAM
  32GB (16GBx2) DDR4/3200MHz (GSKILL Trident Z)
• GPU
  ASUS Dual GeForce RTX™ 3070
• Case
  Phanteks Eclipse P500A High Air-Flow
• Storage
  1TB WD Blue SN550 Series PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD
• PSU
  Enermax Revolution - 750 Watts
• Display(s)
  ASUS VG278QR 27” Gaming Monitor 165Hz Full HD (1920 x 1080) 0.5ms G-SYNC
• Cooling
  CORSAIR iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX AIO
• Keyboard
  Razer Blackwidow
• Mouse
  Razer Deathadder V2
• Sound
  Astro A40 Wired
• Operating System
  Windows 11 Pro

[RONOTHAN##]

Just now, Jlee50 said:

Cooling

CORSAIR iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX AIO

There's your problem. the 12900k basically needs a 360mm AIO if you don't want it to thermal throttle. 240mm AIOs just don't have the cooling capacity for a ~200w CPU. 

 

You might be able to get better thermals and performance by going into settings and lowering the total power limit. Go from unlimited (labeled Water cooler on that MSI board, 4096w) to something reasonable (labeled tower cooler on that MSI board). It's worth a shot, though don't expect it to be a magic bullet. 

[YoungBlade]

I've heard there have been some mounting pressure issues with the Corsair AIOs on 12th gen. Are you using an adapter bracket to mount the block?

[GuiltySpark_]

4 minutes ago, Jlee50 said:

Cooling

CORSAIR iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX AIO

 

That straight up isn't good enough to keep that chip cool under extreme loads. Hell the H150i doesn't seem to be either which i'm guessing is more due to their mounting method. 

[Jlee50]

Here are the temps and other stats after 10 min cinebench render.

 

Cinebench score 21,626.

 

 

[Jlee50]

14 minutes ago, rickeo said:

That straight up isn't good enough to keep that chip cool under extreme loads. Hell the H150i doesn't seem to be either which i'm guessing is more due to their mounting method. 

What is a better cooler for this cpu? Dont really wanna fry it in a month lol, thank you for the heads up.

[Jlee50]

17 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

I've heard there have been some mounting pressure issues with the Corsair AIOs on 12th gen. Are you using an adapter bracket to mount the block?

I honestly don't know, I bought the pc off Ibuypower (gpu shortages be crazy) so your guess is as good as mine. If you want I can take a phone pick of the block and upload it? Thanks for your help btw.

[GuiltySpark_]

16 minutes ago, Jlee50 said:

What is a better cooler for this cpu? Dont really wanna fry it in a month lol, thank you for the heads up.

As others have said, at least a 360 AIO and it looks like they fit without issues in the P500A. 

 

Arctic and EK (though i'm not sure on their LGA1700 bracket availability) both make better coolers in 360mm variants. 

[YoungBlade]

35 minutes ago, Jlee50 said:

Here are the temps and other stats after 10 min cinebench render.

 

Cinebench score 21,626.

Those temps are fine, but your score is lower than I typically get for my 5900X. I think something else is the issue.

 

The 12900K is supposed to draw 241W all-core, but yours maxes out at 190W.

 

Is the supplemental CPU power hooked up on the motherboard? If you're not sure how to check, you can to take a picture of the space above and to the left of the CPU.

[Jlee50]

5 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

Those temps are fine, but your score is lower than I typically get for my 5900X. I think something else is the issue.

 

The 12900K is supposed to draw 241W all-core, but yours maxes out at 190W.

 

Is the supplemental CPU power hooked up on the motherboard? If you're not sure how to check, you can to take a picture of the space above and to the left of the CPU.

So i have no clue what im looking for, here is a picture hopefully it helps.

Thank you for your help btw it is very appreciated.

 

[YoungBlade]

3 minutes ago, Jlee50 said:

So i have no clue what im looking for, here is a picture hopefully it helps.

Thank you for your help btw it is very appreciated.

 

That's the right location, but I can't tell. I'm looking to see if there are 2 CPU 8 pins plugged in. It could be that the primary one is just blocking my view of the secondary one to the left of it.

[YoungBlade]

Looking very closely at the picture, I think I see extra wires behind the right 8 pin wiring. If that's the case, then you have more than enough power available to your CPU to go above 200W.

 

Have you checked in the BIOS to see what the power limit is set to? If you aren't sure about looking around in the BIOS, I think Intel XTU will also be able to tell you.

[Jlee50]

10 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

That's the right location, but I can't tell. I'm looking to see if there are 2 CPU 8 pins plugged in. It could be that the primary one is just blocking my view of the secondary one to the left of it.

Ok so I looked and both cpu pins appear to be plugged in fully(they have the same amount of protrusion) here is a very poorly filmed video that probably wont, but hopefully will.

 

 

help lol.

[YoungBlade]

Just now, Jlee50 said:

Ok so I looked and both cpu pins appear to be plugged in fully(they have the same amount of protrusion) here is a very poorly filmed video that probably wont, but hopefully will.

 

help lol.

Yep, that's both of them in. Then the next thing is to find out what power limits the board is using. I think MSI might be the one that puts that setting as a cooler setting, where telling the board you're using water cooling removes the limits? That or there should be a setting that lets you set a CPU power limit, which for the 12900K is supposed to be 241W.

[IkeaGnome]

What are your P states set to? With no OC, I get 27,000 on my 12900k in R23. I only use 1 8 pin header as well. I ran the UBM to see how mine compares to yours. I got 115% with high background usage. Either your power options in Windows are off, or there is a BIOS setting that is off, but should be on. You're obviously not hitting thermal limits. I would expect this CPU to thermal throttle on that AIO if it was getting the power and utilization that it wanted. 

[Jlee50]

32 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

What are your P states set to? With no OC, I get 27,000 on my 12900k in R23. I only use 1 8 pin header as well. I ran the UBM to see how mine compares to yours. I got 115% with high background usage. Either your power options in Windows are off, or there is a BIOS setting that is off, but should be on. You're obviously not hitting thermal limits. I would expect this CPU to thermal throttle on that AIO if it was getting the power and utilization that it wanted. 

 

I have already changed the power usage max to 100%. So maybe its a BIOS setting? in which case I would have NO clue which one lol.

[Jlee50]

1 hour ago, YoungBlade said:

Yep, that's both of them in. Then the next thing is to find out what power limits the board is using. I think MSI might be the one that puts that setting as a cooler setting, where telling the board you're using water cooling removes the limits? That or there should be a setting that lets you set a CPU power limit, which for the 12900K is supposed to be 241W.

I assume that would be in the BIOS? I do have XTU installed, I do not know how to use it and have it more as an additional stress test.

[YoungBlade]

3 hours ago, Jlee50 said:

I assume that would be in the BIOS? I do have XTU installed, I do not know how to use it and have it more as an additional stress test.

XTU should also be able to tell you. If you go under Advanced Tuning it should show you how the power limits are currently set. But this is also something that you should be able to find in the BIOS.

[Mark Kaine]

nevermind, i misread, i haven't seen this "throttle" thing in ub yet.

[GhostMajor123]

I5-12600K and i'm having the same issue with userbenchmark saying my CPU throttle at 91%.

Did you find what was causing it ?