Intel's first foray into the metaverse will be software to use others' chips

[Lightwreather]

Summary

 In their first public comments on its strategy for tapping into the "metaverse," Intel Corp (INTC.O) executives said the firm is working on software that will help laptops tap into computing power from other devices, including chips from its rivals.

 

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At a news conference after a presentation at the RealTime Conference on metaverse technologies on Monday, Raja Koduri, head of Intel's accelerated computing systems and graphics group, said the company's first technology push into the metaverse will be software that helps devices take advantage of computing power that already exists and is unused.

For example, if a gamer is playing a graphics-heavy title on a laptop that would tax the system's chips but has an unused gaming PC in another room, the software could detect the spare power sitting idle on the PC and tap into it over a home network to make the laptop game run better.

Koduri said the software will work with chips from competitors. The software is designed to solve technical challenges for users, and not just to generate major revenue for Intel. Some of it will be shared, Koduri said.

"The way we are architecting all the layers is that it is going to work with everybody's hardware, as long as they are on industry standard specifications," Koduri told reporters. "There'll be a lot of open sourcing involved with everything that we build."

 

My thoughts

"And here, dear children, here we have the first bonafide case of the 'Metaverse' as a buzzword" -- Some teacher in the meta verse.

Well, apart from the use of this buzzword (for something that'll be wholly unrelated), the tech that may be used seems a lot like something for Folding at Home and BOINC (shameless plug: Join the LTT Team for both these projects) just on a smaller scale, I htink it's called Distributed computing. And I find it pretty interesting that Intel is looking at Open-sourcing the tech and making it cross CPU platform. Altho, I'm wondering can it work cross architechture, like between ARM and x86? Because that would be pretty cool. But anyway, it's very likely this tech will be several years in the making.

 

Sources

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[RejZoR]

Oh my god, just stop with this metaverse bullcrap already. Everyone making it sound like it'll be this glorious virtual everything like in sci-fi movies and in the end it'll be just a overglorified clumsy forum with 3D frontend with Ugandan Knuckles running around trolling everyone... just stop.

[Vishera]

Doesn't have anything to do with metaverses, but it's cool.

23 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Oh my god, just stop with this metaverse bullcrap already. Everyone making it sound like it'll be this glorious virtual everything like in sci-fi movies and in the end it'll be just a overglorified clumsy forum with 3D frontend with Ugandan Knuckles running around trolling everyone... just stop.

MMOs are technically metaverses,

Seems like Facebook are planning something like Second Life...

[RejZoR]

4 minutes ago, Vishera said:

Doesn't have anything to do with metaverses, but it's cool.

MMOs are technically metaverses,

Seems like Facebook are planning something like Second Life...

Do you know da wae?

[Vishera]

29 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Do you know da wae?

That's why i don't play VRChat...

[RejZoR]

It's old, but I still think it's funny as hell. It's like Sonic the Hedgehog, but better because it's ridiculous and at least 350,89% more retarded It's not the destination, it's knowing da wae to there!

[Sauron]

1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

Everyone making it sound like it'll be this glorious virtual everything like in sci-fi movies

Further, the sci-fi movies don't usually portray it as a good thing

1 hour ago, Vishera said:

MMOs are technically metaverses

Arguably much better ones

2 hours ago, J-from-Nucleon said:

For example, if a gamer is playing a graphics-heavy title on a laptop that would tax the system's chips but has an unused gaming PC in another room, the software could detect the spare power sitting idle on the PC and tap into it over a home network to make the laptop game run better.

So... what, you're going to leech power from someone else's PC without asking? Intel seems to forget that electricity has a cost...

 

Also I don't even want to think about the atrocious latencies involved. It's one thing if the game is entirely run remotely but coordinating multiple machines over a network to combine their power would be a giant mess.

[Vishera]

11 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Also I don't even want to think about the atrocious latencies involved. It's one thing if the game is entirely run remotely but coordinating multiple machines over a network to combine their power would be a giant mess.

Parallel computing is a thing,

I can totally see myself building a cluster based on that technology.

[Lightwreather]

14 minutes ago, Sauron said:

So... what, you're going to leech power from someone else's PC without asking? Intel seems to forget that electricity has a cost...

From what I can understand, it'll first be only applicable within the same network.

 

16 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Also I don't even want to think about the atrocious latencies involved. It's one thing if the game is entirely run remotely but coordinating multiple machines over a network to combine their power would be a giant mess.

Well, It is technically possible, F@H does this. HOwever, yea, the Latency argument is very valid.

[Sauron]

9 minutes ago, J-from-Nucleon said:

From what I can understand, it'll first be only applicable within the same network.

Sounds like steam in home streaming...

9 minutes ago, J-from-Nucleon said:

Well, It is technically possible, F@H does this. HOwever, yea, the Latency argument is very valid.

Of course, if it were anything but games it wouldn't be a problem.

[Quackers101]

profit profit profit.

and collect everything, brands wanting to get in on it. not good.

 

*sad private VRchat noises*

[dizmo]

So the meta verse is how they create a real Ready Player One

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, dizmo said:

So the meta verse is how they create a real Ready Player One

Seems like it. Wonder if they'll make the ONI real at some point in the nearish future too?

[Kisai]

17 hours ago, Sauron said:

Further, the sci-fi movies don't usually portray it as a good thing

 

With good reason!

 

Ready Player One, fundamentally is about private ownership of everything. What was the reward for winning? Getting control over the VR universe full of "Warner Bros licensed property", where was all the Disney assets? Where was all the Anime assets? Anyone who has even been on Second Life or VRChat even once can tell you 99% of it is unlicensed/stolen materials anyway. Making that not a hell of a lot different from NFT's. People who actually own their own models, visit VRChat once, and have it stolen by a half dozen people with modded VR chat that steals avatars.

 

Then there are worlds that are complete rips from other games.

 

Don't get me wrong, there is original content in those VR spaces, but it's largely being buried by unlicensed rip-offs  or datamined rips of content produced for other platforms, and the Private VR spaces often get used for ERP and Watching Netflix or other content you'd get your account killed-so-fast on Twitch/Youtube for doing.

 

 

We go through this cycle every few years where:

1. Hot new site comes out

2. First adopters build some cool stuff for it

3. Second and third generation fans steal things/use it for porn, and upload it to the service

4. Everyone after that point only come to the site for the infringing resources

5. The site clamps down on it, or comes under pressure due to IPO/CreditCard companies realizing how much piracy/porn is going on

6. Site devolves

7. Site is abandoned.

8 Site disappears.

 

If you try too hard to stop infringement/adult-content early, the site doesn't grow, and if you try to stop it too late, you get dragged for having that content.

 

The latest site to go through that cycle was Onlyfans, with Tumblr doing that before, and both Patreon and Kickstarter on step 5.

 

[RejZoR]

We all know adult content will happen. If everyone is bragging how "metaverse" is a virtual version of reality, then sex will be part of it because sex sells, even if everyone pretends it doesn't, like true puritans that everyone are.

[Sauron]

5 hours ago, Kisai said:

Anyone who has even been on Second Life or VRChat even once can tell you 99% of it is unlicensed/stolen materials anyway. Making that not a hell of a lot different from NFT's.

With the difference that copyrighted content allows you to theoretically sue pirates; I don't really like that but at least you are actually buying that content in a tangible sense.

[Kisai]

4 hours ago, Sauron said:

With the difference that copyrighted content allows you to theoretically sue pirates; I don't really like that but at least you are actually buying that content in a tangible sense.

Do you know what the word "tangible" means? A NFT is intangible, just like ALL digital resources.

 

Copyright infringement was a lot easier to fight and justify sending the FBI after commercial scale pirates when it only dealt with physical media (eg VHS tapes and DVD's), but as soon as we got past Y2K, the genie was let out of the bottle on trying to protect anything digital. Torrents became the perfect distribution mechanism, largely used for piracy, and that's quite literately what "decentralized" media will be. Not "I own this" , but "everyone who wants it has a copy, and nobody cares who owns it"

 

 

[Sauron]

1 minute ago, Kisai said:

Do you know what the word "tangible" means? A NFT is intangible, just like ALL digital resources.

On the other hand I can "touch" copyright protection, even physically in a way, by bringing someone to court. On top of that, I don't care about the semantics of this because what I meant was clear enough.

3 minutes ago, Kisai said:

Copyright infringement was a lot easier to fight and justify sending the FBI after commercial scale pirates when it only dealt with physical media (eg VHS tapes and DVD's), but as soon as we got past Y2K, the genie was let out of the bottle on trying to protect anything digital. Torrents became the perfect distribution mechanism, largely used for piracy, and that's quite literately what "decentralized" media will be. Not "I own this" , but "everyone who wants it has a copy, and nobody cares who owns it"

I agree, which is why I also don't like copyright; so, what purpose does an NFT serve if it doesn't even offer legal protection against piracy of "your" jpeg?

[Kisai]

11 minutes ago, Sauron said:

On the other hand I can "touch" copyright protection, even physically in a way, by bringing someone to court. On top of that, I don't care about the semantics of this because what I meant was clear enough.

If I were to nitpick this further, I'd quite literately point out that the reason auction sites banned digital goods sales in the first place was because of the intangibility of it. Is that person selling 1 or 1 billion copies? There is no way to prove the item was transferred, unlike a postal reciept/tracking number. Does this sound like what "NFT" is supposed to be doing for intangibles? Yes. Will that work? No. Because there is no blockchain that anyone trusts to be a record of ownership, and nobody trusts any of the so called NFT blockchains. So why would anyone use it as a proof of ownership when most of that content that's been "minted" on it so far is fake, procedurally generated or stolen.

 

11 minutes ago, Sauron said:

I agree, which is why I also don't like copyright; so, what purpose does an NFT serve if it doesn't even offer legal protection against piracy of "your" jpeg?

NFT has no legal backing at all. There is literately nothing out there that proves X blockchain is a proof of custody. If the first entry on a digital chain of custody is not the creator of the work themselves, that the creator themselves is the beneficiary of (apparently one of the key things about the NFT blockchains are that they operate exactly like a MLM scam where everyone who sells it gets paid every time it's sold again.) Who is to stop someone taking that jpeg, changing the color of a few pixels and putting it back up? Thus "robbing" the original NFT minter.

 

There is just no viable means of making a NFT have any meaningful use in the digital realm. Tangible assets? Sure, because tangible assets can't be duplicated by throwing it into a 3d scanner and 3d printer,  people just do not have the materials to duplicate it, especially if it's made of materials that have to be cut (leather/fur or cotton/wool/silk fabric.) But chinese factories full of people who don't care about IP theft can reverse engineer and replicate the process using whatever crappy materials they can find (seriously look up some mail-ordered wedding dress fails.)

 

 

Intel releasing software to "minmax" all the computing hardware to burn as much energy as possible seems like an antithesis to trying to reverse climate change. Who knows how many years left "our way of life" will be possible, but we're going to start seeing failures in regulations/government policy cross paths with crypto-bullshit when these stupid things start consuming the energy needed to heat greenhouses and barns and thus start causing avoidable food shortages.

 

 

[Sauron]

2 minutes ago, Kisai said:

If I were to nitpick this further, I'd quite literately point out that the reason auction sites banned digital goods sales in the first place was because of the intangibility of it. Is that person selling 1 or 1 billion copies? There is no way to prove the item was transferred, unlike a postal reciept/tracking number. Does this sound like what "NFT" is supposed to be doing for intangibles? Yes. Will that work? No. Because there is no blockchain that anyone trusts to be a record of ownership, and nobody trusts any of the so called NFT blockchains. So why would anyone use it as a proof of ownership when most of that content that's been "minted" on it so far is fake, procedurally generated or stolen.

 

NFT has no legal backing at all. There is literately nothing out there that proves X blockchain is a proof of custody. If the first entry on a digital chain of custody is not the creator of the work themselves, that the creator themselves is the beneficiary of (apparently one of the key things about the NFT blockchains are that they operate exactly like a MLM scam where everyone who sells it gets paid every time it's sold again.) Who is to stop someone taking that jpeg, changing the color of a few pixels and putting it back up? Thus "robbing" the original NFT minter.

 

There is just no viable means of making a NFT have any meaningful use in the digital realm. Tangible assets? Sure, because tangible assets can't be duplicated by throwing it into a 3d scanner and 3d printer,  people just do not have the materials to duplicate it, especially if it's made of materials that have to be cut (leather/fur or cotton/wool/silk fabric.) But chinese factories full of people who don't care about IP theft can reverse engineer and replicate the process using whatever crappy materials they can find (seriously look up some mail-ordered wedding dress fails.)

 

 

Intel releasing software to "minmax" all the computing hardware to burn as much energy as possible seems like an antithesis to trying to reverse climate change. Who knows how many years left "our way of life" will be possible, but we're going to start seeing failures in regulations/government policy cross paths with crypto-bullshit when these stupid things start consuming the energy needed to heat greenhouses and barns and thus start causing avoidable food shortages.

I agree, I'm not sure what your contention with what I said is  

[WolframaticAlpha]

15 hours ago, dizmo said:

So the meta verse is how they create a real Ready Player One

While I am a bit skeptical of the metaverse, we may all be dead wrong, and (ANALOGY ALERT! ANALOGY ALERT!) it may be that instead of a HAL9000, we get a macintosh.