I am getting better picture quality when watching 1080p videos on my 720p (HD Ready) TV

[adarw]

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[crakddx]

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[adarw]

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[james_bond]

I mean there is hardly anyone who doesn't love watching movies. The kind of movies people like may differ. The situation indicates the fact that there a huge lack of awareness amongst the general public. Someone who has power should come forward and do something. Bluray discs are expensive so not everyone can afford them. Popular streaming services like Amazon Prime, Netflix and even Youtube must at least consider increasing their bitrate to an acceptable value.

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

2 minutes ago, james_bond said:

Popular streaming services like Amazon Prime, Netflix and even Youtube must at least consider increasing their bitrate to an acceptable value.

It's a competitive market space, so the quality of the product (streaming video) is determined by market forces. In this case, the individual companies are balancing the costs of increased quality with revenue, and viewer retention. They will increase their quality to the extent that they need to in order to retain a viewership relative to their competitors that allows them to be maximally profitable. Those who want better quality can spend more money for the privilege in the form of Bluray.

 

Until the masses start demanding higher quality content, this is the way things will remain. And since most people give zero fucks, I don't see this changing any time soon.

[Dedayog]

19 minutes ago, james_bond said:

So the conclusion is people are obsessed with only the resolution & they completely ignore the bitrate factor. People just buy devices like the Amazon Fire TV stick 4K & all they get is compressed sh**.

Compressed shit?  You're the one watching on a 720p monitor.  Not sure if you've ever seen 4k streamed on a 70"+ 4K TV but it's slightly better than your 1080p on a 720p screen.  

 

You want companies to spend billions to have a pipeline that can deliver uncompressed raw footage yet you want it on...  nm

 

It will get better, as it has for decades.  Technology advances.

[james_bond]

@HairlessMonkeyBoy

I wonder why doesn't some new streaming service appear whose USP is higher quality video. I mean "If you buy our subscription you will enjoy movies in high quality". Is that not attractive ?

[HanZie82]

34 minutes ago, james_bond said:

I am dissapointed to hear that. I was planning to take an Amazon Prime subscription hoping for high quality videos. Where I live there are no bluray renting services available.

compressed and high quality does not exclude one another.
afaik Amazon does have the highest bitrates, which is what you want. Giving the best picture quality.

But if you want uncompressed you better have several gigabit internet hahaha, Specialy anyhting above 1080p.......

And for the most part video's looking better is because of the bitrate.
Why i watch 4K on my 1080p monitor. Everything is way sharper. Pauzing the video also results in way better looking picture.

 

6 minutes ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

Until the masses start demanding higher quality content, this is the way things will remain. And since most people give zero fucks, I don't see this changing any time soon.

Lol yeah that wont happen, the masses have no clue what bit-rate even means.
They are only interested in those marketing things like 4K , HDR and DOLBY.

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

1 minute ago, james_bond said:

@HairlessMonkeyBoy

I wonder why doesn't some new streaming service appear whose USP is higher quality video. I mean "If you buy our subscription you will enjoy movies in high quality". Is that not attractive ?

https://www.floatplane.com/discover

[HanZie82]

1 minute ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

https://www.floatplane.com/discover

Yeah, best 4K ive seen yet on my 1080p monitor.

[Sprawlie]

25 minutes ago, james_bond said:

So the conclusion is people are obsessed with only the resolution & they completely ignore the bitrate factor. People just buy devices like the Amazon Fire TV stick 4K & all they get is compressed sh**.

Yep. Marketing has sold the general public that resolution is king. However, Streaming companies want to be able to say "we  have 4k" but also deliver service to as many people as possible. Given that internet packages in the west can range from 10mbps to several gbps, they just compress the fuck out of it so that the experience is mostly the same for everyone.

 

It COULD get better though. As technology improves, compression routines and techniques do get better allowing for higher compressed videos that don't los as much data in the compression. H264 is the standard now, but H265 is promising for a lot of content as it can compress even further.

 

Plus as more high speed internet becomes available, it's possible t hat these services eventually start offering higher bitrate offerings, like we've seen now with a few of the music streaming services.

[HanZie82]

Check this, cant tell me this is placebo...
https://imgur.com/a/xDPZFnO

[james_bond]

12 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Compressed shit?  You're the one watching on a 720p monitor.  Not sure if you've ever seen 4k streamed on a 70"+ 4K TV but it's slightly better than your 1080p on a 720p screen.  

 

You want companies to spend billions to have a pipeline that can deliver uncompressed raw footage yet you want it on...  nm

 

It will get better, as it has for decades.  Technology advances.

Yes I have seen 4K on large screens. The electronics shops put those on display to attract buyer but they use Bluray. The average customer sees it & says wow without knowing that he will never see that kind of picture quality under any streaming service.

 

Companies will spend billions if they see an opportunity for profit.

 

The technology already exists. I mean higher bitrate videos exist it just that no one wants will want to invest unless some competitor does it first. If there is even one new streaming service launched all the rest will follow. These people are quite predictable. All they think of is money.

[HanZie82]

3 minutes ago, james_bond said:

Yes I have seen 4K on large screens. The electronics shops put those on display to attract buyer but they use Bluray. The average customer sees it & says wow without knowing that he will never see that kind of picture quality under any streaming service.

 

Companies will spend billions if they see an opportunity for profit.

 

The technology already exists. I mean higher bitrate videos exist it just that no one wants will want to invest unless some competitor does it first. If there is even one new streaming service launched all the rest will follow. These people are quite predictable. All they think of is money.

Yup just to bad talk about piracy is illegal.
So i cant say thats the only way still left to get high quality content without having to own physical media...

So i wont be saying any of this.

[Dedayog]

3 minutes ago, james_bond said:

Yes I have seen 4K on large screens. The elettronics shops put those on display to attract buyer but they use Bluray. The average customer sees it & says wow without knowing that he will never see that kind of picture quality under any streaming service.

 

Companies will spend billions if they see an opportunity for profit.

 

The technology already exists. I mean higher bitrate videos exist it just that no one wants will want to invest unless some competitor does it first. If there is even one new streaming service launched all the rest will follow. These people are quite predictable. All they think of is money.

Sure, argue the greed > all tactic.  I'm still contending that it would behoove you to upgrade YOUR stuff before railing at companies to upgrade theirs.  

 

They want to make money, you're trying to save it.  Both consumers and companies are at fault.

 

Please don't try to make it seem that consumers aren't taking advantage and whiny bitches.  Cuz we are.  We gotta get as much as we can for as little as posible.  

 

2 way street.

 

[DoctorNick]

Scaling is a thing, even when using HD ready TV.  Scaling is performed either on monitor or gpu.

[HanZie82]

6 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Sure, argue the greed > all tactic.  I'm still contending that it would behoove you to upgrade YOUR stuff before railing at companies to upgrade theirs.  

 

They want to make money, you're trying to save it.  Both consumers and companies are at fault.

 

Please don't try to make it seem that consumers aren't taking advantage and whiny bitches.  Cuz we are.  We gotta get as much as we can for as little as posible.  

 

2 way street.

 

Lol really?
So we live to have them earn stuff? Oh hell naw.

They are there becuse they CAN make money. Doesnt mean they have to.

 

Companies lie and steal, their management making huge bucks of people jsut getting by.
No companies deserve no remourse, they need to be kept in check. The consumer is whats important.
If a consumer complains its the company either making bad stuff or not explaining clearly enough how it works.

But then again to be honest, there are people that are just too stupid to understand anyhting.
So yeah what do i know...

[james_bond]

1 minute ago, Dedayog said:

They want to make money, you're trying to save it.  Both consumers and companies are at fault.

 

Please don't try to make it seem that consumers aren't taking advantage and whiny bitches.  Cuz we are.  We gotta get as much as we can for as little as posible.  

 

2 way street.

 

Complete agree. Please understand that all I am asking for right now is if I select 720p resolution which the max of my TV I must be able to enjoy 720p at its fullest. Why that's not happening ? Why I have to waste bandwidth streaming 1080p content on a 720p TV ? Ans: Low Bitrate.

 

 

[curiousmind34]

 

12 minutes ago, HanZie82 said:

Check this, cant tell me this is placebo...
https://imgur.com/a/xDPZFnO

i would say it is usually more noticable in videos with a lot of movement. 

[Dedayog]

4 minutes ago, HanZie82 said:

Lol really?
So we live to have them earn stuff? Oh hell naw.

They are there becuse they CAN make money. Doesnt mean they have to.

 

Companies lie and steal, their management making huge bucks of people jsut getting by.
No companies deserve no remourse, they need to be kept in check. The consumer is whats important.
If a consumer complains its the company either making bad stuff or not explaining clearly enough how it works.

But then again to be honest, there are people that are just too stupid to understand anyhting.
So yeah what do i know...

You don't see consumers abusing anything they possibly can?  From rationalized shoplifting, pirating, all the way to social systems.

 

Do you honestly believe that HUMAN BEINGS are infallible, when they're on both sides of the coin?  So when a person is a consumer at night, they're perfect, but then they go to work the next day for one of these companies all that switches and they want to screw everyone?

 

You want from making good points to a rabid fanatic.  Way to just fly off into the extreme.  You're right, what do you know?  Might be a lot, but it's clouded by your closed mind.

[HanZie82]

1 minute ago, Dedayog said:

You don't see consumers abusing anything they possibly can?  From rationalized shoplifting, pirating, all the way to social systems.

 

Do you honestly believe that HUMAN BEINGS are infallible, when they're on both sides of the coin?  So when a person is a consumer at night, they're perfect, but then they go to work the next day for one of these companies all that switches and they want to screw everyone?

 

You want from making good points to a rabid fanatic.  Way to just fly off into the extreme.  You're right, what do you know?  Might be a lot, but it's clouded by your closed mind.

As a people we are awful and what runs companies? Those same people. But those are indeed the same that also buy stuff.

So yeah i have to concede with some of your points, i did went a bit far, maybe.
But my mind is surely not closed.

 

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

56 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Consumers are... whiny bitches... We gotta get as much as we can for as little as [possible].

 

52 minutes ago, HanZie82 said:

Companies lie and steal, their management making huge bucks [off] people [just] getting by.
...companies deserve no [pity], they need to be kept in check.

These are both true. But the power dynamic is such that large companies have more power, and so it is they and their rich executives, who need to be kept in check more so than the average person.

 

I saw a report earlier that the McDonalds CEO made something like 1200 times more than the median worker, not even the lowest worker, but the median worker. Some would argue that the CEO deserves and earns that pay. But I find that to be incredulous. Does the CEO really do as much work in 24 seconds as the median staff does in a full 8 hour shift? Does he do as much work in 1 hour and 45 minutes as the median worker does in an entire year of full-time work? I think not...

 

But this is all woefully off-topic....