Posted March 8, 2021 Is there any noticable improvement one over the other like performance, cooling, noise etc. The case of choice is P500a In White?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 8, 2021 140mm fans can spin slower while pushing the same amount of air, so 3x140mm should be a bit quieter My Gaming PC: Inno3D iChill Black - RTX 4080 - +500 Memory, undervolted Core, 2xCorsair QX120 (push) + 2xInno3D 120mm (pull) AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D - NZXT x72 G.SKILL Trident Z @6000MHz CL30 - 2x16GB Asus Strix X670E-E Gaming 1x500GB Samsung 960 Pro (Windows 11 + 10) 1x2TB Kingston KC3000 (Games) 1x1TB WD Blue SN550 (Programs) 1x1TB Samsung 870 EVO (Programs) Corsair RM-850X + native 12VHPWR-Cable Lian Li O11 Vision Alienware 360 HZ QD-OLED AW2725DF, MSI Optix MAG274QRFDE-QD, BenQ ZOWIE XL2720 Logitech G Pro Wireless Superlight 2 Wooting 60HE Audeze LCD2-C + FiiO K3 Klipsch RP600-M + Klipsch R-120 SW My Notebook: MacBook Pro 16 M1 Pro - 16GB Proxmox-Cluster: Ryzen 9 3950X, Asus Strix X570E F-Gaming, 4x32GB3200MHz ECC, 2x 512GB NVMe ZFS-Mirror (Boot, Testing-VMs + TrueNAS L2ARC), 2x14TB ZFS-Mirror + 1x3TB (TrueNAS-VM), 1x 1TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe (Ceph-OSD), Dual 10G NIC (Ceph), 2.5G NIC (VMs), 1G NIC (Cluster) i7 8700k delidded undervolted, Gigabyte Z390 UD, 4x16GB 3200MHz, 2x 360GB HDD ZFS-Mirror (Boot), 1x 1TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe (Ceph-OSD), Dual 10G NIC (Ceph), 2.5G NIC (VMs), 1G NIC (Cluster) i5 4670, 3x4GB + 1x8GB 1600MHz, 2x 240GB HDD ZFS-Mirror (Boot), 1x 1TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe (Ceph-OSD), Dual 10G NIC (Ceph), 2.5G NIC (VMs), 1G NIC (Cluster) Proxmox-Backup-Server: i5 4670, 4x4GB 1600MHz, 2x2TB ZFS-Mirror, 2,5G NIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 8, 2021 I would say the improvement isn't massive, but definitely noticeable. After upgrading to 140mm fans myself, I can say from experience that it's pushing a decent bit more air whilst spinning at the same RPM. I currently have the fans set to never go above 800RPM (I have Arctic P14 PWM) which keeps the system nice and quiet even under full load and still provides plenty of airflow even in my semi restrictive Lian Li 205m case. The more I learn, the more I realise I don't actually know anything. Recommendations: Lian Li 205m (sleek, pretty decent airflow for a non-mesh front panel and cheap), i5-10400f (Ryzen 5 3600 performance, 20% cheaper), Arctic P14 PWM fans, Logitech g305. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 8, 2021 23 minutes ago, iCoNrant said: Is there any noticable improvement one over the other like performance, cooling, noise etc. The case of choice is P500a In White?. General rule (probably oversimplifying but whatever): get the biggest fans your case supports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 8, 2021 It depends on the fans.. there is a 98% chance my 120x38 Panaflo's will out perform every fan that will be mentioned in this thread. AMD R7 5800X3D | Thermalright Aqua Elite 360, 3x TL-B12, 2x TL-K12 Asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z @ 3733C14 1.5v Zotac 4070 Ti Trinity OC @ 3045/1495 | WD SN8501TB, SN850X2TB Seasonic Vertex GX-1000 | Fractal Torrent Compact, 2x TL-B14, TL-D14X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, freeagent said: It depends on the fans.. there is a 98% chance my 120x38 Panaflo's will out perform every fan that will be mentioned in this thread. That's so definitely off topic and niche that I can't come up with any reason why someone would just throw in this irrelevant information. While the basic information is right (it depends on the fan), coming up with some niche server fan is just entirely beyond the scope of this thread and beyond regular desktop pcs that this remark is just pointless. Of course, a good 120mm fan outperforms a bad 140mm fan. But 2 fans of comparable quality intended for similar use cases, the 140mm is the better choice. Use the quote function when answering! Mark people directly if you want an answer from them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 8, 2021 Triggered. AMD R7 5800X3D | Thermalright Aqua Elite 360, 3x TL-B12, 2x TL-K12 Asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z @ 3733C14 1.5v Zotac 4070 Ti Trinity OC @ 3045/1495 | WD SN8501TB, SN850X2TB Seasonic Vertex GX-1000 | Fractal Torrent Compact, 2x TL-B14, TL-D14X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 9, 2021 Never understand why would anyone keep bragging about their server fans. It is like someone put a giant time attack spoiler on his crappy Honda and can't stop telling people how amazing the spoiler is. Anyways, good 120mm fans outperform average 140mm fans. while good 140mm fans outperform them all. However, there are only few good 140mm fans on the "consumer" market. Maybe Arctic P14 or thermalright C14x are worth considering. ( Yes, I am aware of Noctua A14, and no, it is not a good 140mm fan.) 120mm fans that worth considering are : Nidec GentleTyphoon Noctua A12x25 (basically a GentleTyphoon clone but with quieter bearing) Arctic P12 (cheap A12x25 alternative) Thermalright C12 (bearing is kinda crappy but performance is on par with GentleTyphoon*) Thermalright C12 PRO ( same as C12 but with better bearing) *On air coolers only, GentleTyphoon is still the king of radiators. You should be able to buy newer Thermalright fan models on Amazon now. Intel I7-10700KF stock - Noctua NH-D15 - A15+A12x25 Micron Ballistix Sport LT 4133MHz CL17-21-21-40 @1.45v GIGABYTE AORUS 3090 Xtreme 1905MHz@0.919v/2010MHz@1.063v +900/750 memory clock Seasonic PX-1000 Lian-Li Lancool II Mesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 9, 2021 Author 5 minutes ago, Algebruh said: Never understand why would anyone keep bragging about their server fans. It is like someone put a giant time attack spoiler on his crappy Honda and can't stop telling people how amazing the spoiler is. Anyways, good 120mm fans outperform average 140mm fans. while good 140mm fans outperform them all. However, there are only few good 140mm fans on the "consumer" market. Maybe Arctic P14 or thermalright C14x are worth considering. ( Yes, I am aware of Noctua A14, and no, it is not a good 140mm fan.) 120mm fans that worth considering are : Nidec GentleTyphoon Noctua A12x25 (basically a GentleTyphoon clone but with quieter bearing) Arctic P12 (cheap A12x25 alternative) Thermalright C12 (bearing is kinda crappy but performance is on par with GentleTyphoon*) Thermalright C12 PRO ( same as C12 but with better bearing) *On air coolers only, GentleTyphoon is still the king of radiators. You should able to buy newer Thermalright fan models on Amazon now. Those are great 120mm fans without rgb. But I think if I want a good rgb fans might as well be lian li uni sl120 fans, they are too good for the price and looks. Gentle typhoon is pretty hard to find actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, iCoNrant said: Those are great 120mm fans without rgb. But I think if I want a good rgb fans might as well be lian li uni sl120 fans, they are too good for the price and looks. Gentle typhoon is pretty hard to find actually Thermalright C12s or C12l are rgb/argb version of C12. Not sure if you can find it on Amazon. FYI, Thermalright C12 is NOT suitable to be mounted horizontally, it will produce rattling noise if mounted horizontally. Intel I7-10700KF stock - Noctua NH-D15 - A15+A12x25 Micron Ballistix Sport LT 4133MHz CL17-21-21-40 @1.45v GIGABYTE AORUS 3090 Xtreme 1905MHz@0.919v/2010MHz@1.063v +900/750 memory clock Seasonic PX-1000 Lian-Li Lancool II Mesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 9, 2021 Author 2 minutes ago, Algebruh said: Thermalright C12s or C12l are rgb/argb version of C12. Not sure if you can find it on Amazon. If amazon cant find it, then my country has no hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, iCoNrant said: If amazon cant find it, then my country has no hope I just checked, those fans seem can't be found on Amazon unfortunately. Intel I7-10700KF stock - Noctua NH-D15 - A15+A12x25 Micron Ballistix Sport LT 4133MHz CL17-21-21-40 @1.45v GIGABYTE AORUS 3090 Xtreme 1905MHz@0.919v/2010MHz@1.063v +900/750 memory clock Seasonic PX-1000 Lian-Li Lancool II Mesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, Algebruh said: Never understand why would anyone keep bragging about their server fans. It is like someone put a giant time attack spoiler on his crappy Honda and can't stop telling people how amazing the spoiler is. Anyways, good 120mm fans outperform average 140mm fans. while good 140mm fans outperform them all. However, there are only few good 140mm fans on the "consumer" market. Maybe Arctic P14 or thermalright C14x are worth considering. ( Yes, I am aware of Noctua A14, and no, it is not a good 140mm fan.) 120mm fans that worth considering are : Nidec GentleTyphoon Noctua A12x25 (basically a GentleTyphoon clone but with quieter bearing) Arctic P12 (cheap A12x25 alternative) Thermalright C12 (bearing is kinda crappy but performance is on par with GentleTyphoon*) Thermalright C12 PRO ( same as C12 but with better bearing) *On air coolers only, GentleTyphoon is still the king of radiators. You should be able to buy newer Thermalright fan models on Amazon now. Now now, no need to be like that. He asked. Those fans are probably as old as you or close to it lol. Aliexpress has an ok selection of Thermalright fans, I considered these guys, both the TL-D14X and CL-14X. Thermalright TL C14X TL D14 140mm CPU cooling fan PWM Quiet 12cm fan pitch Industrial grade fan 4PIN PWM mute fans cpu cooler|Fans & Cooling| - AliExpress AMD R7 5800X3D | Thermalright Aqua Elite 360, 3x TL-B12, 2x TL-K12 Asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z @ 3733C14 1.5v Zotac 4070 Ti Trinity OC @ 3045/1495 | WD SN8501TB, SN850X2TB Seasonic Vertex GX-1000 | Fractal Torrent Compact, 2x TL-B14, TL-D14X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, freeagent said: Now now, no need to be like that. He asked. Those fans are probably as old as you or close to it lol. Aliexpress has an ok selection of Thermalright fans, I considered these guys, both the TL-D14X and CL-14X. Thermalright TL C14X TL D14 140mm CPU cooling fan PWM Quiet 12cm fan pitch Industrial grade fan 4PIN PWM mute fans cpu cooler|Fans & Cooling| - AliExpress Oh, it is you again. I should have known that earlier after seeing "120x38" lol Intel I7-10700KF stock - Noctua NH-D15 - A15+A12x25 Micron Ballistix Sport LT 4133MHz CL17-21-21-40 @1.45v GIGABYTE AORUS 3090 Xtreme 1905MHz@0.919v/2010MHz@1.063v +900/750 memory clock Seasonic PX-1000 Lian-Li Lancool II Mesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Algebruh said: Oh, it is you again. I should have known that earlier after seeing "120x38" lol Hey buddy No hard feelings, I come in peace AMD R7 5800X3D | Thermalright Aqua Elite 360, 3x TL-B12, 2x TL-K12 Asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z @ 3733C14 1.5v Zotac 4070 Ti Trinity OC @ 3045/1495 | WD SN8501TB, SN850X2TB Seasonic Vertex GX-1000 | Fractal Torrent Compact, 2x TL-B14, TL-D14X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 9, 2021 Author Love people all in peace without any damage caused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 9, 2021 In a case like a Meshify C something like 60cfm should get you decent front to back airflow. The weakest fan I tried in the front bottom was 74cfm and I liked it. The ones I am using now are 110cfm @ 12v but I normally run them at 7v so they are quiet like a consumer fan.. sorta.. but still quite strong, especially in a tiny case. AMD R7 5800X3D | Thermalright Aqua Elite 360, 3x TL-B12, 2x TL-K12 Asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z @ 3733C14 1.5v Zotac 4070 Ti Trinity OC @ 3045/1495 | WD SN8501TB, SN850X2TB Seasonic Vertex GX-1000 | Fractal Torrent Compact, 2x TL-B14, TL-D14X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 9, 2021 18 hours ago, iCoNrant said: Is there any noticable improvement one over the other like performance, cooling, noise etc. The case of choice is P500a In White?. the biggest consideration is cost. Is the 2 degree/ dbA difference really worth it? CPU 9900KS @ 5.0 avx offset 0/ cache 4.7/ @1.33v Motherboard asus strix ROG z390-i RAM 8gb x2 G.skill ddr 4 3600 (OCed to 4000 17-19-19-39 @1.4v) GPU Asus Strix OC RTX 3080 10GB Case Corsair 280x Crystal Storage 1tb Samsung SSD + 2x (512gb Samsung) SSD PSU Seasonic GM 650 650Watt Gold (semi-modular) Display(s) LG34gk950g Cooling H115i platinum/ 2x NF-A14 (GPU intake)/ 2xNFA14 (H115i radiator exhaust fan) 2x Corsair ML PRO 140(front intake) / 1x NF-A8 (exhaust)/ 2 x Corsair LL 120 (GPU deshroud fans) Keyboard Corsair K70 LUX MX RED/ Microsoft Designer Keyboard Bluetooth Mouse Corsair Harpoon RGB Sound Audioengine A2+/ Audioengine d1 dac/ B&O h6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 9, 2021 Author 1 hour ago, OCNewbee said: the biggest consideration is cost. Is the 2 degree/ dbA difference really worth it? Roughly the same is fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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