New Nvidia GPUs?!

[GenericBot1]

Hey guys, so since the launch of the 3070 I’ve wanted to get my hands on one and plan to in the coming future with a new pc build. I’ve started seeming rumors about things like the 3080 ti and the 3070 ti and even 4000 series cards and new architecture stuff. Should I be concerned about trying to buy a 3000 series card early next year and potentially face buyers remorse like only a year later?

[Middcore]

There is always new hardware coming. Always. If you wait to buy until there is nothing new on the horizon you will never buy.

 

You need to make an objective decision on whether the cards that are out now will meet your needs for the amount of money you'll have to spend. If that is the case now, it will still be the case two months from now and screw "buyer's remorse." Right now you're quite lucky if you can get your hands on any new card without paying gouger prices. If a 3080 ti or whatever releases, what makes you think things will be any better trying to get one of those? If a 3080 ti drops in, say, February, are you prepared to wait until May or June trying to buy one? 

 

In regards to 4000-series cards: the 3000 series has been out less than a full quarter, Nvidia can't make them fast enough to keep up with demand so they all sell out within minutes every time they're available, AMD doesn't have a card that outperforms them and AMD's availability situation is even worse. Based on those facts, what makes you think Nvidia would have any interest in trying to rush out a new architecture? Think logically. The 2000 series cards were widely criticized for being rushed and for not offering a big enough performance increase over their predecessors and they were still on the market for two full years. The 3000 series is a major leap forward by comparison. Don't expect to see any move toward 4000-series until well into 2022. 

 

[ShadowUsher_26]

The 3080 ti is really a thing. It was confirmed a little while ago with 20 gigs of vram

[dizmo]

We'll likely see new graphics cards in the summer. This happens pretty much every year. It won't be generational, like a 4000 series, but a Super or Ti variant.

Then another year down the line we'll see the 4000 series. Unless they for some reason completely change their deployment strategy, but I don't see why they would.

If you're going to be sad about new stuff coming out, be prepared for a lifetime of disappointment buying tech.

[Action_Johnson]

Why even think about it? It's not like you can buy any of them anyway...

[Eigenvektor]

35 minutes ago, Middcore said:

If a 3080 ti drops in, say, February, are you prepared to wait until May or June trying to buy one?

Aside from that, you should also think about whether the card is even within your budget. The 3080 ti will probably have an MSRP of $999 or more (and, based on other cards, be even more expensive in reality). If that is way above what you're willing to spend, then waiting for it before buying a 3070 makes no sense. There is virtually no reason to expect prices of other cards to go down in response to its launch.

 

If the next generation was right around the corner it might be sensible to wait since you could probably get a faster card at the same price point. However, since the 30-series launched fairly recently and the full lineup isn't even out yet, it'll probably be close to two years before the next generation comes out.

[unsorted]

1 hour ago, GenericBot1 said:

Should I be concerned about trying to buy a 3000 series card early next year and potentially face buyers remorse like only a year later?

I have no doubt we'll get better value a year later. I don't know if that would give you buyer's remorse but this is computers after all: some say things change fast. Sometimes they do, maybe.

 

But then again if you just buy what you want (or need) and enjoy gaming for a year or so...that's gotta be worth something. We don't live forever.

 

 

[xg32]

2 hours ago, GenericBot1 said:

Hey guys, so since the launch of the 3070 I’ve wanted to get my hands on one and plan to in the coming future with a new pc build. I’ve started seeming rumors about things like the 3080 ti and the 3070 ti and even 4000 series cards and new architecture stuff. Should I be concerned about trying to buy a 3000 series card early next year and potentially face buyers remorse like only a year later?

Lovelace might be coming sooner rather than later now that amd has the faster cards, but don't let that stop you from getting a 3070, those cards will retain it's value. My prediction atm is simply a price drop for ampere/8nm while 5nm gets released a few months earlier. Even if Turing and Ampere is looking like Fermi of this decade, i still think waiting for next gen gpus are usually not a good choice, especially when u can buy a 3070 right now for MSRP.

[Middcore]

5 hours ago, xg32 said:

Lovelace might be coming sooner rather than later now that amd has the faster cards

AMD doesn't have the faster cards, they have comparable cards at best, and they're even harder to buy than Nvidia's.

[Action_Johnson]

1 hour ago, Middcore said:

AMD doesn't have the faster cards, they have comparable cards at best, and they're even harder to buy than Nvidia's.

I agree the 68/6900XT is comparable, but the 6800 is generally quicker than the 3070.

 

[Middcore]

9 minutes ago, Action_Johnson said:

I agree the 68/6900XT is comparable, but the 6800 is generally quicker than the 3070.

 

 

Well, it's also slightly more expensive. But unless AMD has a clear overall lead (fastest card overall and fastest at most price points), Nvidia isn't going to see them as a threat I don't think. They seem content for now to stick with the "We're better at ray tracing so that's all that you should care about" line. Actually even if AMD was ahead across the board Nvidia would still probably try to say "Yes but ray tracing." 

 

(Lest anybody accuse me of being a fanboy/hater for whoever, I have used 9 different GPU's in my personal machine since the start of 2019, 4 Nvidia, 5 AMD, and I am getting a 6800 XT delivered today.)

 

[Exidor]

I actually think that in 2 or 3 generations we will see a paradigm shift in GPU design.

From one side ARM is attacking traditional X86.

But also the crazy speeds of data transfer and the processing needs required push towards a RAMless architecture. Sort of a data streaming system and I kind of think we will get more cores. That might be more specialised and we might see things not as threads but as streams. Sort of not a funnel feeding stuff into a task manager. But several streams working on stuff in parallel and synchronised with probably something like virtualised memory spaces.

This console generation was the first step.

 

I fully expect that this GPU I am waiting for to be delivered 3080 might be the last classical PCI GPU I buy.

I usually upgrade the GPU every 2 generation and every 2 GPU upgrade the whole platform. But this time around I feel that I might hold out for 3 generations and embrace what ever is coming next.

[Action_Johnson]

1 hour ago, Middcore said:

 

Well, it's also slightly more expensive. But unless AMD has a clear overall lead (fastest card overall and fastest at most price points), Nvidia isn't going to see them as a threat I don't think. They seem content for now to stick with the "We're better at ray tracing so that's all that you should care about" line. Actually even if AMD was ahead across the board Nvidia would still probably try to say "Yes but ray tracing." 

 

(Lest anybody accuse me of being a fanboy/hater for whoever, I have used 9 different GPU's in my personal machine since the start of 2019, 4 Nvidia, 5 AMD, and I am getting a 6800 XT delivered today.)

 

Of course Nvidia would think they're the best. They overwhelmingly have the gaming market (for good reason, AMD/ATI's products haven't been competitive since the R9 280), plus outside of Apple, might be the most pompously arrogant company in tech. 

[Action_Johnson]

36 minutes ago, Exidor said:

I actually think that in 2 or 3 generations we will see a paradigm shift in GPU design.

From one side ARM is attacking traditional X86.

But also the crazy speeds of data transfer and the processing needs required push towards a RAMless architecture. Sort of a data streaming system and I kind of think we will get more cores. That might be more specialised and we might see things not as threads but as streams. Sort of not a funnel feeding stuff into a task manager. But several streams working on stuff in parallel and synchronised with probably something like virtualised memory spaces.

This console generation was the first step.

 

I fully expect that this GPU I am waiting for to be delivered 3080 might be the last classical PCI GPU I buy.

I usually upgrade the GPU every 2 generation and every 2 GPU upgrade the whole platform. But this time around I feel that I might hold out for 3 generations and embrace what ever is coming next.

As interesting as RISC is, I don't see this happening for the gaming market anytime soon. RISC makes alot of sense for laptops, productivity, word processing, where low power usage, low heat, and portability are key.

 

I think the PC market is going to clutch their x86 architecture like white people in flyover states clutch to the MAGA life. Is RISC superior to CISC? Maybe... All our PC's are still running off of the same concept the 8086 did.

 

ARM/RISC as it exists today, has the RAM, CPU, and GPU all on the same chip. That's great for a portability perspective but for many of us, customization will be the name of the game. Why lock into one spec when we can spike 1600w into a wall socket, pull more juice than our dishwashers and fridges combined, and beat out ARM with brute force?

 

If RISC CPU's with the same form-factor as current x86 are a viable alternative, while still retaining the same upgradability and customization we can have today, I'm on board. But if I have to sacrifice picking out my RAM, GPU, Audio, and CPU individually, because it's all on the SOC like what Apple does, hard pass..

 

Seriously fuck Apple. They're like a gated community: Manicured lawns, nice houses with shiny cars, but an HOA fee that'll make the IRS blush, and you better "fit in to the community". 

 

Fuck that company, fuck their marketing, and above all, fuck the culture they've architected. 

[Exidor]

28 minutes ago, Action_Johnson said:

As interesting as RISC is, I don't see this happening for the gaming market anytime soon. RISC makes alot of sense for laptops, productivity, word processing, where low power usage, low heat, and portability are key.

 

I think the PC market is going to clutch their x86 architecture like white people in flyover states clutch to the MAGA life. Is RISC superior to CISC? Maybe... All our PC's are still running off of the same concept the 8086 did.

 

ARM/RISC as it exists today, has the RAM, CPU, and GPU all on the same chip. That's great for a portability perspective but for many of us, customization will be the name of the game. Why lock into one spec when we can spike 1600w into a wall socket, pull more juice than our dishwashers and fridges combined, and beat out ARM with brute force?

 

If RISC CPU's with the same form-factor as current x86 are a viable alternative, while still retaining the same upgradability and customization we can have today, I'm on board. But if I have to sacrifice picking out my RAM, GPU, Audio, and CPU individually, because it's all on the SOC like what Apple does, hard pass..

 

Seriously fuck Apple. They're like a gated community: Manicured lawns, nice houses with shiny cars, but an HOA fee that'll make the IRS blush, and you better "fit in to the community". 

 

Fuck that company, fuck their marketing, and above all, fuck the culture they've architected. 

 

Not talking ARM or RISK architecture.

More talking about how data flow is handled. Less bottlenecks I fully expect to retain a X86 architecture. I just think RAM and everything going through the CPU task manager will die out.

Think back to all the funky coprocessors of the 80s. All those specialised math ones.

So I sort of expect data to stream to different cores. Not being bottlenecked in RAM or taskmanager.

Sort of more independent systems less of a clunky stack. Same that is happening in servers and consoles. Direct resource access.   

[xg32]

5 hours ago, Middcore said:

AMD doesn't have the faster cards, they have comparable cards at best, and they're even harder to buy than Nvidia's.

they are faster, 6800xt and 6900xt is faster than the 3080 and 3090 at 320w, they run at 2800 and 3000 core, ampere also chokes at 1080p and 1440p, check the benchmarks of the asus 68/69 cards., but let's agree to disagree, 

 

i'm eyeing 3080ti and 6900xt for a zen 3 build, and i expect problems for the red build

[GenericBot1]

11 hours ago, Eigenvektor said:

Aside from that, you should also think about whether the card is even within your budget. The 3080 ti will probably have an MSRP of $999 or more (and, based on other cards, be even more expensive in reality). If that is way above what you're willing to spend, then waiting for it before buying a 3070 makes no sense. There is virtually no reason to expect prices of other cards to go down in response to its launch.

 

If the next generation was right around the corner it might be sensible to wait since you could probably get a faster card at the same price point. However, since the 30-series launched fairly recently and the full lineup isn't even out yet, it'll probably be close to two years before the next generation comes out.

I was more thinking about if a 3070 ti or super verity would come out as the 3080 doesn't fit my budget.

[aisle9]

Some form of -50, -50 Ti and -60 Ampere cards are a given. NVIDIA has historically updated the -30 every generation or two, so there may be a GT 3030 or whatever at some point. AMD will follow with lower power cards as well. I'd say it's likely we get a Super refresh sometime later on in 2021. Not anytime soon--if people who've been trying for months to get a 3070 finally manage to do so and NVIDIA announces a 3070 Super the day after they get their 3070 installed...yeah. Bad PR.

 

As far as a 4000 series, I wouldn't worry about that anytime soon.

[Exidor]

5 hours ago, aisle9 said:

Some form of -50, -50 Ti and -60 Ampere cards are a given. NVIDIA has historically updated the -30 every generation or two, so there may be a GT 3030 or whatever at some point. AMD will follow with lower power cards as well. I'd say it's likely we get a Super refresh sometime later on in 2021. Not anytime soon--if people who've been trying for months to get a 3070 finally manage to do so and NVIDIA announces a 3070 Super the day after they get their 3070 installed...yeah. Bad PR.

 

As far as a 4000 series, I wouldn't worry about that anytime soon.

 

I absolutely feel that someone at Nvidia is sitting there with a depraved grin planning the 3080ti release exactly when they start delivering the back orders of the 3080.

And planning to release the 3070ti exactly the moment prices start to normalise.

 

For the LULz 

[xg32]

14 minutes ago, Exidor said:

 

I absolutely feel that someone at Nvidia is sitting there with a depraved grin planning the 3080ti release exactly when they start delivering the back orders or the 3080.

And planning to release the 3070ti exactly the moment prices start to normalise.

 

For the LOLz 

lol just look at how jensen carries himself, he absolutely does that