looking for new speakers

[Ricotta Elmar]

hello guys,

i wan't to replace my good old z5500 that i have since 2005, because the anoying buzzing of the transformator inside the woofer

i came across tronsmart t6 max and i wan't to use it for movie watching , gaming , and i don't know if it is sutable for this because it is bluetooth 5.0,

 

i had 3 sony srs-xb31, 1 broke , 1 i returned because i thought factory fault , and now my last one i have left i use for my work,

in stereo mode with 2 of them it had issues , like somehow one of them always gone out of sync or start lagging

 

do any of you have experience with tronsmart t6 max ?

from reviews it sounds good but i don't know how the latancy is,

if it is like the sony then it will be a no go

and how is the stereo link,

 

i want good sounding speakers witch don't have destorsion ? what ever it is called,

the sony had that that the audio distorsion on high volume ,

although they sounded good on low to normal volume

 

i dont know anything about audio nowdays, all i know is that i do love the sound of dynaudio , so balanced , clear and good lows without any deforming/distorsion

[rice guru]

A distorted sound happens when the amplifier can't handle the amount of power you are demanding out of the speakers m or the driver is moving so much something is being hit by /something is loose on the speakers. What is your budget?

[Ricotta Elmar]

well atleast my budget aint over a 1000 bucks as from now, maby like 500 bucks idk ,

what i do know is dynaudio uses for each speaker a sepparated amp, and they have finetuning exc...

 

https://www.dynaudio.com/home-audio/focus-xd/focus-20-xd

 

this is what i heard and sounded so good, but damn 2 grand for a single speaker

[geo3]

2 hours ago, WesleyNL said:

well atleast my budget aint over a 1000 bucks as from now, maby like 500 bucks idk ,

what i do know is dynaudio uses for each speaker a sepparated amp, and they have finetuning exc...

 

https://www.dynaudio.com/home-audio/focus-xd/focus-20-xd

 

this is what i heard and sounded so good, but damn 2 grand for a single speaker

You can get a pair of Jamo S803 + a small Fosi amp and some cabling all for under $300. Will sound leagues better than the z5500 or that BT Sony. 

 

If you want surround I would go with an AV receiver and some Miccas, RB42s for the front an OoO for the center and either MB42x or Covo-s for the rear/side.

[Ricotta Elmar]

didnt knew jamo still exists , in the past i had jamo power 330s, but dont remeber the sound of it 

 

yeah ofc normal speakers sounds beter than a bt speaker,

but idk if thats the same case with t6 max its labled 60/120 watt for a bt speaker

 

also dolby atmos ready ?! i mean do this mean samsung have dolby atmos speakers in their phones ?! though i dont hear any difrents when i had dolby atmos on other devices, i wonder how they sound though,

 

also i dont know the brand micca , looks like ali express stuff

[rice guru]

30 minutes ago, WesleyNL said:

didnt knew jamo still exists , in the past i had jamo power 330s, but dont remeber the sound of it 

 

yeah ofc normal speakers sounds beter than a bt speaker,

but idk if thats the same case with t6 max its labled 60/120 watt for a bt speaker

 

also dolby atmos ready ?! i mean do this mean samsung have dolby atmos speakers in their phones ?! though i dont hear any difrents when i had dolby atmos on other devices, i wonder how they sound though,

 

also i dont know the brand micca , looks like ali express stuff

Dolby Atmos applications in many cases is just a marketing scheme. Atmos is pretty cool when applied well but most of the time your taking a hit in overall speaker quality if your looking at something like a soundbar application.

[geo3]

34 minutes ago, WesleyNL said:

didnt knew jamo still exists , in the past i had jamo power 330s, but dont remeber the sound of it 

 

yeah ofc normal speakers sounds beter than a bt speaker,

but idk if thats the same case with t6 max its labled 60/120 watt for a bt speaker

 

also dolby atmos ready ?! i mean do this mean samsung have dolby atmos speakers in their phones ?! though i dont hear any difrents when i had dolby atmos on other devices, i wonder how they sound though,

 

also i dont know the brand micca , looks like ali express stuff

Yeah, Jamo is still around. There new stuff it pretty damn good too.

 

If you are interested in atmos the S803s can be upgraded with an Atmos modal, elementally an upward firing 2nd speaker that bolts on the top to give a "height" channel.

 

Micca is solid brand too with a lot of good budget offerings. Their stuff is difficult to beat on price to performance, so you can deck out a complete surround system for not too much.  

[rice guru]

14 minutes ago, geo3 said:

Yeah, Jamo is still around. There new stuff it pretty damn good too.

 

If you are interested in atmos the S803s can be upgraded with an Atmos modal, elementally an upward firing 2nd speaker that bolts on the top to give a "height" channel.

 

Micca is solid brand too with a lot of good budget offerings. Their stuff is difficult to beat on price to performance, so you can deck out a complete surround system for not too much.  

I hesitate to reccomend micca as they tend to have a pretty v shaped sound signature especially the rb42. For a good set of book shelves that sound nice and neutral the paradigm atom se combined with a topping pa3 is a pretty excellent value proposition but is like twice the price of the micca

[geo3]

2 hours ago, rice guru said:

I hesitate to reccomend micca as they tend to have a pretty v shaped sound signature especially the rb42.

Really? You're the first person I've heard say that, and they sound fairly neutral to me. The Jamos sound more V shaped to me than the RB42s. 

[Derkoli]

Just gonna prevent a mini-war between @geo3 and @rice guru

 

Jamo S803: (blue line)

 

 

Micca RB42:

 

 

Amir from ASR says the RB42 sound extremely bright, even to his aging ears.

 

 

Personally, I wouldn't recommend either of them. The Jamo's are too fatiguing, the RB42 are nearly +5dB at 3kHz which is where our ears are most sensitive and have a huge impedance dip between 200 and 2500 Hz. This makes them hard to drive when combined with their low efficiency.

 

 

7 hours ago, WesleyNL said:

hello guys,

i wan't to replace my good old z5500 that i have since 2005, because the anoying buzzing of the transformator inside the woofer

i came across tronsmart t6 max and i wan't to use it for movie watching , gaming , and i don't know if it is sutable for this because it is bluetooth 5.0,

 

i had 3 sony srs-xb31, 1 broke , 1 i returned because i thought factory fault , and now my last one i have left i use for my work,

in stereo mode with 2 of them it had issues , like somehow one of them always gone out of sync or start lagging

 

do any of you have experience with tronsmart t6 max ?

from reviews it sounds good but i don't know how the latancy is,

if it is like the sony then it will be a no go

and how is the stereo link,

 

i want good sounding speakers witch don't have destorsion ? what ever it is called,

the sony had that that the audio distorsion on high volume ,

although they sounded good on low to normal volume

 

i dont know anything about audio nowdays, all i know is that i do love the sound of dynaudio , so balanced , clear and good lows without any deforming/distorsion

If you budget is around 500 like you stated in another comment/post, I would take a look at a pair of powered monitors.

 

A pair of Adam Audio T7V would do you really well. They have amazing tweeters and really quite good woofers that are paired with the same PWM amplifiers that are in some of their much more expensive models.

 

They will get plenty loud enough (110dBSPL@1M) and will dig down to 39Hz. They also include dip switches for adjusting their frequency response slightly.

 

I own the Adam Audio S5H's, and they're probably the best monitors I've heard to date.

 

I would also pair these with a decent monitor controller, such as a Behringer Monitor1, that will provide a 3.5mm input and XLR outputs. Then you just need 2 XLR cables and you're up and running.

 

https://www.thomannmusic.com/adam_t7v.htm

 

https://www.thomannmusic.com/behringer_monitor1.htm

 

Then 2 of these:

 

https://www.thomannmusic.com/the_sssnake_sk23315_xlr_patch.htm

[rice guru]

1 hour ago, geo3 said:

Really? You're the first person I've heard say that, and they sound fairly neutral to me. The Jamos sound more V shaped to me than the RB42s. 

the bass is pretty foirward and like derkoli says the treble is also pretty forward. Im saying this as a rb 42 owner myself

[Ricotta Elmar]

Spoiler

 

It's not about loud it's about balanced sound, and no distorsions/deformed sound,  well the speakers i actualy wanted are powered to but way over my budget for now,  but to me they sounded so nice without getting ear cancer

[Derkoli]

7 hours ago, WesleyNL said:

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It's not about loud it's about balanced sound, and no distorsions/deformed sound,  well the speakers i actualy wanted are powered to but way over my budget for now,  but to me they sounded so nice without getting ear cancer

The Adam Audio T7V I recommended are very balanced. Here are some measurements:

 

[Ricotta Elmar]

oh active speakers,

humm i don't know this brand as i am not an audiophile and i only know brands like sony,jbl,jamo,bose, bang and olufsen exc....,

there so many brands i don't know, just like dynaudio and when i heard it i was stunned by it,

i never heard something like that by known brands that advertice all kinds of shit and none of them actualy sounds good ,

there are so many brrands nowdays,

i have to try them once i guess,

and from this graph it looks good, although im not home in graphs either, 5 years warranty to, and it have dual amp inside ? because i read 2 amps one 20 watt most likely tweeter and 50 watt woofer, i dont like that tweeter looks but sounds mather

 

186 euro each humm for actives that isnt to expansive either

 

are these thx 92/24 to ?

[Derkoli]

1 hour ago, WesleyNL said:

oh active speakers,

humm i don't know this brand as i am not an audiophile and i only know brands like sony,jbl,jamo,bose, bang and olufsen exc....,

there so many brands i don't know, just like dynaudio and when i heard it i was stunned by it,

i never heard something like that by known brands that advertice all kinds of shit and none of them actualy sounds good ,

there are so many brrands nowdays,

i have to try them once i guess,

and from this graph it looks good, although im not home in graphs either, 5 years warranty to, and it have dual amp inside ? because i read 2 amps one 20 watt most likely tweeter and 50 watt woofer, i dont like that tweeter looks but sounds mather

 

186 euro each humm for actives that isnt to expansive either

 

are these thx 92/24 to ?

Adam Audio is a proper audio company. They focus on sound first and don't throw all this marketing BS at you. unlike Beats, Bose, SkullCandy ETC.

 

2 hours ago, WesleyNL said:

humm i don't know this brand as i am not an audiophile and i only know brands like sony,jbl,jamo,bose, bang and olufsen exc....,

Most of those brands are pretty good. Not Bose though. Fuck Bose.

 

Sony has some really nice stuff, JBL is well, JBL. B&O stuff is pretty geared towards architectural/physical beauty, with some pretty good sound mixed into the recipe.

 

Yes, they have dual amplifiers. They are proper "active" speakers because the crossover is before the amplifiers.

 

I'm assuming that by THX 92/24 you mean some sort of sample rate/bit depth?

 

Either way, THX doesn't mean anything anymore. Even crappy Logitech speakers are "THX" now. THX only really matters for the more high end stuff because you know that a speaker rated for a certain THX level is going to be suited for a specific room.

 

Really, aslong as the brand has some sort of praise within the audiophile community, aslong as that praise is objective, it's gonna be pretty good. Adam Audio does have that objective and subjective praise.

 

Like I've said, my Adam Audio stuff is god damn amazing.

[Ricotta Elmar]

Thats What i said , those brands i know about and are fairly known , i might try out adam then if i can get to listen somewhere before purchase, im only concerned about the transformators inside active speakers, i have a verry anoying one in my z5500 and that buzzing is realy anoying on low vol, i dont know how adams transformators are if they use any , nowdays nothing use transformators anymore but judging from price point i assume it have one inside

[Derkoli]

9 hours ago, WesleyNL said:

Thats What i said , those brands i know about and are fairly known , i might try out adam then if i can get to listen somewhere before purchase, im only concerned about the transformators inside active speakers, i have a verry anoying one in my z5500 and that buzzing is realy anoying on low vol, i dont know how adams transformators are if they use any , nowdays nothing use transformators anymore but judging from price point i assume it have one inside

It won't have one inside. The amplifiers need the higher voltage for large transients, so everything inside is either 120/230/240V etc. before the lower voltage power is sent to the actual drivers themselves.

 

 

[Ricotta Elmar]

also that ribbon tweeter? why isnt it a dome instead ?

[Derkoli]

2 hours ago, WesleyNL said:

also that ribbon tweeter? why isnt it a dome instead ?

Adam Audio use a non-conventional U-ART tweeter for quite a few reasons.

 

It has an effective surface area up to 3x the surface area of an equivalently sized dome tweeter, giving it better dynamics.

 

Less distortion as the diaphragm will not breakup unlike a dome as the principle behind how the driver physically moves air is much different.

 

The U-ART tweeter actually gets squished and stretched gently to produce sound. The air getting sucked and squeezed out of the folds is what creates the pressure needed to create SPL.

 

It's also alot easier to control the dispersion of a U-ART tweeter than it is a conventional dome.

[The Flying Sloth]

2 hours ago, WesleyNL said:

also that ribbon tweeter? why isnt it a dome instead ?

Because ribbon tweeters are awesome ?

 

Jokes aside, they're much lighter which makes them more detailed and more responsive than traditional dome tweeters. Ribbons aren't often used due to them being quite picky with amplifiers and transformers but Adam Audio has a tonne of experience designing active speakers specifically with ribbon tweeters so you don't have to worry about that stuff. 

 

Beyond Adam Audio my personal bias is towards Tannoy and their Reveal line, great bang for buck.

[Derkoli]

11 minutes ago, The Flying Sloth said:

Because ribbon tweeters are awesome ?

 

Jokes aside, they're much lighter which makes them more detailed and more responsive than traditional dome tweeters. Ribbons aren't often used due to them being quite picky with amplifiers and transformers but Adam Audio has a tonne of experience designing active speakers specifically with ribbon tweeters so you don't have to worry about that stuff. 

 

Beyond Adam Audio my personal bias is towards Tannoy and their Reveal line, great bang for buck.

Bear in mind "Ribbon" drivers are not the same as U-ART drivers. U-ART/S-ART's are essentially an AMT tweeter.

 

Ribbon drivers are very similar to your standard Dynamic driver because they are a piston driver.

 

A U-ART/S-ART/AMT driver is squished and stretched to provide sound by squeezing the air out of the folds in the diaphragm. Little poofs of air essentially create all the sound you hear from it.

 

 

It's an extremely common mis-conception that AMT/U-ART/S-ART and Ribbon drivers are the same thing

 

 

 

I need to make a small post about driver types and uses. My new loudspeakers drivers would be fun to write about.

Edited October 28, 2020 by Derkoli

[The Flying Sloth]

4 hours ago, Derkoli said:

I need to make a small post about driver types and uses. My new loudspeakers drivers would be fun to write about.

Everything from Piezo to Planar, Electrostatic to [something else beginning with E]

 

Would be a fun read

[Ricotta Elmar]

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That soubda good , but how can a larger tweeter be lichter  than a dome , i asked a store to get them in store so i can take a loaten to them , im exited if they can furfill what i am looking for

[The Flying Sloth]

29 minutes ago, WesleyNL said:

That soubda good , but how can a larger tweeter be lichter  than a dome , i asked a store to get them in store so i can take a loaten to them , im exited if they can furfill what i am looking for

A feather is larger than a coin...

[Derkoli]

6 hours ago, WesleyNL said:

That soubda good , but how can a larger tweeter be lichter  than a dome , i asked a store to get them in store so i can take a loaten to them , im exited if they can furfill what i am looking for

A dome is made out fabric usually.

 

An AMT/U-ART/Ribbon tweeter is usually made out of a deposition of aluminium vapour, which is about as light as you can get. It's roughly 15 microns thick usually.

 

A standard dome tweeter will weigh about 0.5 grams, while an average ribbon will weigh about 0.025 grams and an AMT will weigh about 0.17 grams.