NSA Watchdog Slams Snowden

[Coswar]

@LinusTech This type of news should be put in a different part of the forum. Always ends up in political arguments and disagreements. Just my opinion

Well I'm sorry we got in your way.

Well, they are supposedly Russian Separatists. I give it a 50/50 thats what they are and not Russians. When you take all the current facts in, and the fact that Putin is old school KGB and I am sure remembers what the KGB did in Afghanistan.

I'm a bit young to know much about the KGB, but I heard that the interim president gave a speech asking that Russian forces are by no means to leave their Bases, so hopefully that will settle things a little, and perhaps the Ukrainian army will go in and remove the Russians in the parliament.

[afa7336]

I'm a  bit young to know much about the KGB, but I heard that the interim president gave a speech asking that Russian forces are by no means to leave their Bases, so hopefully that will settle things a little, and perhaps the Ukrainian army will go in and remove the Russians in the parliament. 

 

Correct, thats the thinking of course, but with the KGB you never know. Well, now the FSB, but its just the KGB with another name when you look at the powers they have, etc.

 

When I mentioned Afghanistan (giving a slight history lesson, forgive me), I was referring to the initial taking of Afghanistan. When the Soviet Union and the KGB went into Afghanistan the first thing they did was seize, by force, a lot of the key Government and Police buildings. It was really bloody and really well executed honestly. Within less then a day, they controlled pretty much all the key buildings. With Putin being Putin and exKGB, he knows the history and the details of that operation, and Ukraine ain't Afghanistan so it'd be a lot easier. Afghanistan, the real reason they lost was the fact that the Afghan People were able to wear them down in really horrible terrain. Sure the weapons played a very small part, but not nearly that big to matter much. They'd have still won without us, just would have taken longer.

[Yoinkerman]

I didn't read the rest of the thread, however I did read the article you linked.  It says right in it there basically aren't whistleblowing protections.  I don't disagree with the authors viewpoint.  Snowden is definitely running from his lumps, however I can understand why he has.  Things have changed a lot since 1980.  Somehow I think Snowden would be worse off than just destitute, stigmatized, and gagged for life.

 

Sure, maybe he should have just leaked everything and stayed, and been sentenced to 940 years in solitary confinement.  I can see why that isn't appealing.  At the same time I do think some of the leaks were necessary, or at least much better now that they're out than in.

[Imaginaerum]

Isn't the military also there for protection against potential threats? It would be a stupid idea to completely get rid of it, but the UK's armed forces have been shrinking for a while now. I'd like to think we're heading to where Japan is now, having no active military, and just forces for self defense. 

You do know why Japan has no military, right?

[afa7336]

I didn't read the rest of the thread, however I did read the article you linked.  It says right in it there basically aren't whistleblowing protections.  I don't disagree with the authors viewpoint.  Snowden is definitely running from his lumps, however I can understand why he has.  Things have changed a lot since 1980.  Somehow I think Snowden would be worse off than just destitute, stigmatized, and gagged for life.

 

Sure, maybe he should have just leaked everything and stayed, and been sentenced to 940 years in solitary confinement.  I can see why that isn't appealing.  At the same time I do think some of the leaks were necessary, or at least much better now that they're out than in.

 

Well, sorta, you have to get into what is classed as a whistleblower and what you have to do to gain that class of protection. Running to the media and then hiding doesn't really give you whistleblower protections, it makes you a criminal. If Snowden would have followed established procedures and protocols, then he would be a whistleblower.

[afa7336]

You do know why Japan has no military, right?

 

I couldn't help but maybe give him a hint "Article 9".

[TheSLSAMG]

This thread = Kim Jong Un launching a missile.

 

 

And to state my opinion, I believe Snowden did what was right and the NSA are a bunch of disruptive scum.

[rhyseyness]

I'm still waiting for you to give me specifics, or do you just like saying things without proof? I've offered to give proof to things you question, yet you won't tell me what.

 

FYI, if you call me extremist, I wonder what you call Al Qaeda or what you called Usama Bin Laden. Especially considering I'm not even defending someone who put everyones lives at risk every time he leaks something new.

You're not even listening to what I'm saying.

I could call you up on a lot of the things you've said, but you'd just quote some BS website and claim because it's on that website it must be true.

Your closed mindedness makes it impossible to argue with you.

[Oshino Shinobu]

You do know why Japan has no military, right?

Yeah, I know why, but I'm obviously not wanting that to happen to us. But in the Japanese Constitution, they have a bit that renounces war, and to achieve that, they don't maintain any military forces other than a sort of national guard. I'd like us to have something similar to this.

[Coswar]

Correct, thats the thinking of course, but with the KGB you never know. Well, now the FSB, but its just the KGB with another name when you look at the powers they have, etc.

 

When I mentioned Afghanistan (giving a slight history lesson, forgive me), I was referring to the initial taking of Afghanistan. When the Soviet Union and the KGB went into Afghanistan the first thing they did was seize, by force, a lot of the key Government and Police buildings. It was really bloody and really well executed honestly. Within less then a day, they controlled pretty much all the key buildings. With Putin being Putin and exKGB, he knows the history and the details of that operation, and Ukraine ain't Afghanistan so it'd be a lot easier. Afghanistan, the real reason they lost was the fact that the Afghan People were able to wear them down in really horrible terrain. Sure the weapons played a very small part, but not nearly that big to matter much. They'd have still won without us, just would have taken longer.

We I hope that the threat of action from the US and UK (UN, etc) would deter them from doing something like that. At least not openly, perhaps they will back certain people, but I can't see them risking an all out takeover.

[Imaginaerum]

Yeah, I know why, but I'm obviously not wanting that to happen to us. But in the Japanese Constitution, they have a bit that renounces war, and to achieve that, they don't maintain any military forces other than a sort of national guard. I'd like us to have something similar to this.

I wish we all could have that, but Japan has Article 9 because of what they did in WW2 and to Asia before that. It would be against everybody's best interests if all the powerful countries just up and dismantled their active militaries until we reach the point of the Silver Surfer, or robots.

[afa7336]

We I hope that the threat of action from the US and UK (UN, etc) would deter them from doing something like that. At least not openly, perhaps they will back certain people, but I can't see them risking an all out takeover.

 

Welp, sadly Russian Armor has moved into Crimea to "protect its fleet".

 

With them getting, or trying to get basing rights throughout the world, it looks like it will be a real push for Ukraine.