80+ white good enough??

[MarvintheParrot]

Hey there! This summer I will be building my first PC. I am really confused by the power supply/PSU. I know that the 80+ ratings goes from 80+ (white) to 80+ titanium. I am on a strict budget of around $500-$600. 80+ white is obviously cheaper so I was thinking of going with that. I just want to make sure that 80+ white will still be ok for my PC. Thanks!

[verisimilar]

Quality isn't strictly connected to efficiency. 80+ white is fine in terms of efficiency, but the quality depends on the actual PSU.

[GenPit]

white is fine but it really depends on who the manufacturer is some psu have 80+ ratings but they're absolute trash and can go boom boom if not careful 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, jsugarman2005 said:

Hey there! This summer I will be building my first PC. I am really confused by the power supply/PSU. I know that the 80+ ratings goes from 80+ (white) to 80+ titanium. I am on a strict budget of around $500-$600. 80+ white is obviously cheaper so I was thinking of going with that. I just want to make sure that 80+ white will still be ok for my PC. Thanks!

80 PLUS is a measure of efficiency.  Not quality.

 

What's the rest of your build?

 

[MarvintheParrot]

AMD Ryzen 5 2600

ASRock B450M PRO4

Crucial Ballistix 16GB 3200 RAM

Kingston A400 240GB SSD

ASUS TUF GTX 1650 super

darkFlash DLM 21 Micro ATX case

Thermaltake 500W 80+ PSU

 

Thank you so much for the help!

[Ralf]

49 minutes ago, jsugarman2005 said:

AMD Ryzen 5 2600

ASRock B450M PRO4

Crucial Ballistix 16GB 3200 RAM

Kingston A400 240GB SSD

ASUS TUF GTX 1650 super

darkFlash DLM 21 Micro ATX case

Thermaltake 500W 80+ PSU

 

Thank you so much for the help!

That psu is one of the worst name brand psu's that one can buy alongside with the A400 ssd.

[chocolatekarma]

Something to keep in mind for people that always shoot down what many would consider a solid mid-range PSU...  

 

Not everyone can afford to spend 150 on a PSU.  There's way too much of this disconnect here.  His specs are mid range in every regard, and people think he should buy a PSU that's intended for high end systems.  It must suck to be so jaded.

[MrBrightSyde]

Honestly, you could've spent an extra $10 for a PSU that isn't complete garbage. The Antec NeoEco Classic 550w is $65 on Newegg (including shipping), the Antec NeoEco Zen 500w Gold is $75 (including shipping)

 

[Ralf]

5 minutes ago, chocolatekarma said:

Something to keep in mind for people that always shoot down what many would consider a solid mid-range PSU...  

If Thermaltake Smart 80+ is mid-range, what's low-end?

[chocolatekarma]

Just now, Ralf said:

If Thermaltake Smart 80+ is mid-range, what's low-end?

You have to consider the whole market.  Not just mainstream brands.  Compared to those no name fake wattage rating PSU's out there a low end Thermaltake, Corsair, EVGA etc. is mid-range.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, chocolatekarma said:

Something to keep in mind for people that always shoot down what many would consider a solid mid-range PSU...  

 

Not everyone can afford to spend 150 on a PSU.  There's way too much of this disconnect here.  His specs are mid range in every regard, and people think he should buy a PSU that's intended for high end systems.  It must suck to be so jaded.

Not even close to being a solid mid range psu. And you don't have to spend 150 on a psu to get something better. 

 

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?16402-Thermaltake-smart-500w-white

[-rascal-]

5 hours ago, jsugarman2005 said:

AMD Ryzen 5 2600

ASRock B450M PRO4

Crucial Ballistix 16GB 3200 RAM

Kingston A400 240GB SSD

ASUS TUF GTX 1650 super

darkFlash DLM 21 Micro ATX case

Thermaltake 500W 80+ PSU

 

Thank you so much for the help!

 

Where are you located?

$600 USD, or other currency?

 

1 hour ago, chocolatekarma said:

Something to keep in mind for people that always shoot down what many would consider a solid mid-range PSU...  

 

Not everyone can afford to spend 150 on a PSU.  There's way too much of this disconnect here.  His specs are mid range in every regard, and people think he should buy a PSU that's intended for high end systems.  It must suck to be so jaded.

 

Not saying he needs to sped $150 on a PSU.

He can spend $40 ~ $60 (10%) of his budget or an ACTUAL mid-tier (e.g. Tier C / B B+)  450W ~ 550W PSU.

 

 

 

Considering the PSU / GPU / motherboard shortage due to the COVID-19 Pandemic...it is a bad time to build a PC now.

Manufacturers can't even get space on shipping crates because

• Shipping costs up to 5x more right now
• Cannot get space on shipping creates because medical supplies is priority #1
• Reduced amount of workers, and reduced amount of ACTUAL ships that hauls cargo

Good ol' Tech Gezus...actually getting the facts + answers from manufacturers (e.g. the factories), and suppliers.

Out of Stock: Power Supplies, Motherboards, & Video Card Shortage Explained, Restock Dates

 

[chocolatekarma]

@-rascal- Many of the posters here will deter people away from even B tier PSU's.  Mine is a B tier (EVGA BR), and many here consider it shit.  I think one of the main keys to clean power is not just the PSU at all, but also having voltage regulation/power conditioning to flatten out all the spikes and drops that will happen in even the best electrical systems in buildings.  Many only use a power strip with surge protection, but they provide no power regulation at all. 

 

I bought a voltage regulator around 2010 for $30 Canadian. and it's still going strong. So have clean power going to the PSU in the first place, so it doesn't have to work so hard, or rely so much on its own protections.

[Ralf]

37 minutes ago, chocolatekarma said:

Mine is a B tier (EVGA BR), and many here consider it shit.

And do you know why?

[GoldenLag]

44 minutes ago, chocolatekarma said:

so it doesn't have to work so hard, or rely so much on its own protections.

actually it really has to rely on its own protections. as much as good input current is. its the output currents that matter in the end. and OCP, OPP, OTP, SCP look at the output, not the input. 

 

44 minutes ago, chocolatekarma said:

Mine is a B tier (EVGA BR), and many here consider it shit.

probably mix it up with the BT, which isnt great. 

 

or at least thats what i did at first. 

[MrBrightSyde]

1 hour ago, chocolatekarma said:

Mine is a B tier (EVGA BR), and many here consider it shit. 

I mean, a 30c rating is pretty bad for a PSU. If the tier list considered temperature rating, it would probably drop a tier or two.

[chocolatekarma]

6 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

probably mix it up with the BT, which isnt great. 

 

Go look.  The BR series are in the B tier.  I'm not imagining things. The BT series is C tier.

[chocolatekarma]

2 hours ago, Ralf said:

And do you know why?

Don't treat me like I'm a child.  I've been a BSD developer since the 80's, and I have forgotten more about computers than you will likely ever know.  Don't assume that because I'm not a PSU expert that I'm completely ignorant.

[GoldenLag]

9 hours ago, chocolatekarma said:

Go look.  The BR series are in the B tier.  I'm not imagining things. The BT series is C tier.

im not saying you mixed it up. (as i said i mixed it up at first)

 

im saying other people mixed it up. and considering the mess that is PSU naming, wouldnt exactly call it uncommon.

[Ralf]

9 hours ago, chocolatekarma said:

Don't treat me like I'm a child.  I've been a BSD developer since the 80's, and I have forgotten more about computers than you will likely ever know.  Don't assume that because I'm not a PSU expert that I'm completely ignorant.

So what did you learn during those 40years about psu's and how much do you still remember from it? Considering that you didn't answer my question, i'm going to assume that not much if anything at all.

[seon123]

57 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

im not saying you mixed it up. (as i said i mixed it up at first)

 

im saying other people mixed it up. and considering the mess that is PSU naming, wouldnt exactly call it uncommon.

Are you telling me that people somehow mix up the B1, B2, B3, B5, BV, BT, BR, BQ and BA? How could someone possibly do that /s

[MarvintheParrot]

On 6/8/2020 at 9:31 AM, Ralf said:

That psu is one of the worst name brand psu's that one can buy alongside with the A400 ssd.

So I should switch out the SSD and the PSU? What about the ADATA SU800 SSD? And how about the EVGA BR500?

[MrBrightSyde]

1 hour ago, jsugarman2005 said:

So I should switch out the SSD and the PSU? What about the ADATA SU800 SSD? And how about the EVGA BR500?

The BR is better than the Thermaltake PSU you first picked out. It would be perfect for the build you are going for.

 

As for SSDs, I'm not an expert, but I do have a spreadsheet from one. The SU800 is better than the A400, as it has a DRAM cache and uses the SMI SM2258 controller, which is better than the Phison S11 (never seen a good SSD use Phison S11, while the SM2258 has been used in a couple of good SSDs, like the Team Vulcan and Crucial MX500)

[MarvintheParrot]

17 hours ago, MrBrightSyde said:

The BR is better than the Thermaltake PSU you first picked out. It would be perfect for the build you are going for.

 

As for SSDs, I'm not an expert, but I do have a spreadsheet from one.

That spreadsheet is extremely helpful. Thank you so much!

[chocolatekarma]

On 6/9/2020 at 12:10 AM, seon123 said:

Are you telling me that people somehow mix up the B1, B2, B3, B5, BV, BT, BR, BQ and BA? How could someone possibly do that /s

Don't try to validate your original misinformed stance by using some speculation that someone mixed up a series name.  Don't make me lube the straws you're trying to grasp.