WiFi Connectivity to a Moving Vehicle

[MostReverend]

Is it possible for a user be connected on a meshed AP's while in a moving vehicle?

The coverage of the said network would be approximately 170 Km.

 

Is that possible? What would be the speed limit til WiFi cannot accommodate you anymore?

From What I know, WiFi is not build for that use-case

 

Any recommendation to make this possible?

[Brian Blankenship]

You can bounce from base station to base station the same as a cell phone does from cell tower to tower. However you need to deal with the range issue. Would this hypothetical Mesh Network be a municipality maintained infrastructure?

[MostReverend]

14 minutes ago, Brian Blankenship said:

You can bounce from base station to base station the same as a cell phone does from cell tower to tower. However you need to deal with the range issue. Would this hypothetical Mesh Network be a municipality maintained infrastructure?

this would be a project of a startup telco company, 

so you think this is possible? 

[Brian Blankenship]

17 minutes ago, MostReverend said:

this would be a project of a startup telco company, 

so you think this is possible? 

Yeah it's possible. But there might be a problem for the client side devices having enough power to talk to the base stations, assuming a few hundred feet between the them. And 5Ghz is basically out for that range. You can do point to point over miles, but a wifi adapter on a laptop doesn't have the output power to reach the far. If these are going to be vehicle attached devices for police cars for example, then you can manage more power. If you are going to be providing this as a paid service then you might need to consider providing hardware to long range TX/RX. https://www.ui.com/products/#airfiber

[MostReverend]

3 minutes ago, Brian Blankenship said:

Yeah it's possible. But there might be a problem for the client side devices having enough power to talk to the base stations, assuming a few hundred feet between the them. And 5Ghz is basically out for that range. You can do point to point over miles, but a wifi adapter on a laptop doesn't have the output power to reach the far. If these are going to be vehicle attached devices for police cars for example, then you can manage more power. If you are going to be providing this as a paid service then you might need to consider providing hardware to long range TX/RX. https://www.ui.com/products/#airfiber

my boss wants to use meraki devices because he already established partnership, there would be Access points for every poles,
distance per pole is 30 to 50 meters apart.

[beersykins]

1 minute ago, MostReverend said:

distance per pole is 30 to 50 meters apart.

For 170 km?  Utilizing wifi?

 

Your boss is retarded.

[MostReverend]

1 minute ago, beersykins said:

For 170 km?  Utilizing wifi?

 

Your boss is retarded.

he wants to supply WiFi connectivity for moving vehicles, selected individuals, I'm guessing for very important works

[beersykins]

Getting LTE hotspots for each vehicle would be millions of dollars less expensive.

[MostReverend]

1 minute ago, beersykins said:

Getting LTE hotspots for each vehicle would be millions of dollars less expensive.

he do not want to utilize LTE 

[beersykins]

Just now, MostReverend said:

he do not want to utilize LTE 

What's his plan to provide service to each AP, or does he honestly expect a mesh across over 3,000 hops?  At 50m between stations and at least $1k per unit between AP cost and licensing costs you're already at 3.5m without any physical labor installation fees, which would be multiplicatively higher than that.

 

There's no situation where this is viable or cost effective, when there are clearly better options for a couple hundred bucks a month.

[MostReverend]

55 minutes ago, beersykins said:

What's his plan to provide service to each AP, or does he honestly expect a mesh across over 3,000 hops?  At 50m between stations and at least $1k per unit between AP cost and licensing costs you're already at 3.5m without any physical labor installation fees, which would be multiplicatively higher than that.

 

There's no situation where this is viable or cost effective, when there are clearly better options for a couple hundred bucks a month.

what do you suggest then?

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 hour ago, MostReverend said:

what do you suggest then?

Have a long range wireless network like lte connect to hotspots in the cars. That how most moving things with wifi work(like planes and trains and busses). WIFI just isn't made for this use.

[MostReverend]

3 hours ago, Brian Blankenship said:

Yeah it's possible. But there might be a problem for the client side devices having enough power to talk to the base stations, assuming a few hundred feet between the them. And 5Ghz is basically out for that range. You can do point to point over miles, but a wifi adapter on a laptop doesn't have the output power to reach the far. If these are going to be vehicle attached devices for police cars for example, then you can manage more power. If you are going to be providing this as a paid service then you might need to consider providing hardware to long range TX/RX. https://www.ui.com/products/#airfiber

do you think Ubiquity would do a better job on this use-case? 

[Brian Blankenship]

On 4/24/2020 at 1:36 AM, MostReverend said:

do you think Ubiquity would do a better job on this use-case? 

I know they have some long range equipment, but I think its all PTP (Point To Point).

[seanondemand]

There is absolutely no good reason to build something like this out when cellular networks exist. Devices probably wouldn't be happy hopping from AP to AP every 5 seconds either. And then you'd somehow have to run fibre essentially the whole way, so you're looking at millions for a buildout. Never mind the electrical requirements too. 

[Falcon1986]

On 4/24/2020 at 12:36 AM, MostReverend said:

do you think Ubiquity would do a better job on this use-case? 

I’m not aware of Ubiquiti having wireless hardware for your scenario. Their equipment works well, even over large distances, because stuff isn’t moving constantly! Even with their WiFi antennae for large area coverage, I doubt whether it would be effective for clients moving as quickly as they do in cars. For pedestrian WiFi, that shouldn’t be a problem.

 

Are you representing a WISP?

 

As a startup telco you should be approaching network firms in your area for this kind of advice. I’m surprised your boss is asking you to make his solution work instead of looking for possible solutions.