AMD Ryzen 3600 high idle temps

[BeastyUmbrella]

I just installed my new AMD Ryzen 5 3600 in my MSI Tomahawk Max motherboard with the stock cooler. During the installation, I had some trouble getting the cooler onto the processor because I didn't properly hold the backplate down while tightening the screws. This resulted in taking on and off the cooler a couple of times in order to get it right. I saw that some of the thermal paste had been spread a bit around but I didn't have any to substitute with so I had to go with what I had. I am not sure if this is the reason that I get pretty high idle temps. As of writing this, the temps are between 46 - 64 degrees Celcius and opening a program may get it to spike to 69 degrees Celcius. These seem like rather high idle temps to me but I would love the get some else's opinion about it. I am currently using the AMD Balanced settings as the windows power option. Besides that, I haven't changed anything since related to performance. It's just rather annoying to hear the CPU fan ramp up and down constantly.

Any help will be massively appreciated!

[Senzelian]

The thermal paste shouldn't influence the temps too much.

 

Your somewhat high idle temps are caused most likely just by the cooler you're using. The stock cooler isn't exactly known for it's great cooling capabilities.

(Could also be caused by poor airflow within your case)

 

But you mentioned the windows power settings. Go into the detailed settings there and check if the minimum CPU power is set to 5%.

If that is set too high, then your CPU will constantly run at high frequencies.

[BeastyUmbrella]

22 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

The thermal paste shouldn't influence the temps too much.

 

Your somewhat high idle temps are caused most likely just by the cooler you're using. The stock cooler isn't exactly known for it's great cooling capabilities.

(Could also be caused by poor airflow within your case)

 

But you mentioned the windows power settings. Go into the detailed settings there and check if the minimum CPU power is set to 5%.

If that is set too high, then your CPU will constantly run at high frequencies.

Thanks for the quick reply! Just checked my minimum CPU power and it was indeed set to 99%. I have now lowered it but I see roughly the same spikes jumping all the way to 67 degrees. I also posted the same thing on Reddit and two people suggested that I changed the thermal paste. What should optimal idle be for the 3600?

[Senzelian]

4 minutes ago, BeastyUmbrella said:

Thanks for the quick reply! Just checked my minimum CPU power and it was indeed set to 99%. I have now lowered it but I see roughly the same spikes jumping all the way to 67 degrees. I also posted the same thing on Reddit and two people suggested that I changed the thermal paste. What should optimal idle be for the 3600?

Good that you changed that. If that's not done, it would lead to major performance issues.

 

The idle temperatures depend a lot on your case, the amount of fans you have, how they're configured and your room temperature.

So the "optimal" idle temp varies a lot.
Where you want to get is at least below 45°C I'd say. It's fine if it runs a little warm at idle. It should just not get too hot under stress.

[BeastyUmbrella]

8 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

Good that you changed that. If that's not done, it would lead to major performance issues.

 

The idle temperatures depend a lot on your case, the amount of fans you have, how they're configured and your room temperature.

So the "optimal" idle temp varies a lot.
Where you want to get is at least below 45°C I'd say. It's fine if it runs a little warm at idle. It should just not get too hot under stress.

I just opened HWMonitor and took some screenshots so that you can see the other temps of my system. Wouldn't say it's too bad. 45 would be amazing to run stable at idle!

[VerTTi]

Just now, BeastyUmbrella said:

I just opened HWMonitor and took some screenshots so that you can see the other temps of my system. Wouldn't say it's too bad. 45 would be amazing to run stable at idle!

Ive got the same pretty much been trying to figure it out.

[Senzelian]

Yeah those temps look fine.
Maybe it is really that you messed up the thermal paste. Hard to tell without a picture  

 

I assume you already checked whether the CPU cooler was properly mounted or not?

[BeastyUmbrella]

5 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

Yeah those temps look fine.
Maybe it is really that you messed up the thermal paste. Hard to tell without a picture  

 

I assume you already checked whether the CPU cooler was properly mounted or not?

Properly mounted as in all four screws tightened till they felt like they wouldn't tighten that much more even with decent force? Because that was how I did it  

[BeastyUmbrella]

11 minutes ago, VerTTi said:

Ive got the same pretty much been trying to figure it out.

I'll keep you posted if I find a solution!

[Senzelian]

1 minute ago, BeastyUmbrella said:

Properly mounted as in all four screws tightened till they felt like they wouldn't tighten that much more even with decent force? Because that was how I did it  

Yup. You don't have much choice at this point, but to buy some new thermal paste. I hope that fixes it for you.

[VerTTi]

Just now, BeastyUmbrella said:

I'll keep you posted if I find a solution!

Will do the same im now going to try to check the bios and checking if its overclocked for some reason.

[VerTTi]

Okay this just got weird i was afk for 15 minutes with just msi afterburner and the cpu does this 

[VerTTi]

15 hours ago, BeastyUmbrella said:

I'll keep you posted if I find a solution!

Okay now ive figured that most monitoring tools kind of fool ryzen processors that there is a big workload coming when they ping the sensors for the temp value so thats why the temp shoots up so what i recommend is using ryzen master to monitor your tempratures and see where it idles at mines peaked at 50c with 40-42 on avrg on light load and with. but still what i havent been able to figure out with it sits on 1,375V and sometimes goes lower/higher even on idle or lightload.

I also edited my fan curves on bios so that they shoot to 1000+rpm when temps hit over 40 and that i think is helping

[FeralSparky]

I struggled with this for MONTHS before figuring out the solution. Go into windows power settings and select Balanced or Power Saver.

 

High performance dramatically raises the idle temps.

 

My 3600 with a Hyper 212 went from idling at 40-60c to 30-35c

[VerTTi]

20 minutes ago, FeralSparky said:

I struggled with this for MONTHS before figuring out the solution. Go into windows power settings and select Balanced or Power Saver.

 

High performance dramatically raises the idle temps.

 

My 3600 with a Hyper 212 went from idling at 40-60c to 30-35c

For me high performance stabilizes the temps to around 40c-48c on lightload from 38c-71c

[Demonic Donut]

I'm putting my money on it being a bad cooler mount. Also looking at HW info, CPU voltage seems really high.  So CPU not "turning off" when it can could be part of it, also being hit with high voltage for no real reason. Recommend using ryzen master.

 

I'd have to double check my notes and OC, but I'm pretty sure my 3600 is at 1.25V at 4200 all core. I generally idle at 27C-30C with a Noctua D15 with the fans off. Max temp I've seen was doing stress tests on gpu and CPU at 58C (room about 20-211C) All temps and OC through ryzen master.  I've been to lazy to lock the OC into bios.

 

I did test the stock cooler while I waited for my Noctua am4 mount, but I'd have to look at my notes to verify what it's temps were, I don't want to speak out of turn. I'm pretty sure it idled under 40 though. I want to say it maxed at 75 ish or so, but again, I don't remember and I believe that's before I did an OC.

 

Just for fun, what case/fan setup do you have?

[BeastyUmbrella]

18 hours ago, VerTTi said:

Okay now ive figured that most monitoring tools kind of fool ryzen processors that there is a big workload coming when they ping the sensors for the temp value so thats why the temp shoots up so what i recommend is using ryzen master to monitor your tempratures and see where it idles at mines peaked at 50c with 40-42 on avrg on light load and with. but still what i havent been able to figure out with it sits on 1,375V and sometimes goes lower/higher even on idle or lightload.

I also edited my fan curves on bios so that they shoot to 1000+rpm when temps hit over 40 and that i think is helping

I have also noticed that the idle temps measured in the Ryzen Master program is much better. Here I idle at around 45 - 52 degrees Celcius which is totally acceptable. What bothers me the most is that I have tried to configure the fan curve in the BIOS so that it's nice and silent, however the MSI Commander program for my tomahawk max motherboard incorrectly reads the temps as being 20 degrees higher than ryzen master. So I think they are fighting for the control of my CPU fans. I'll probably still change the thermal paste just to be sure that it is indeed done correctly.

[BeastyUmbrella]

6 hours ago, Demonic Donut said:

I'm putting my money on it being a bad cooler mount. Also looking at HW info, CPU voltage seems really high.  So CPU not "turning off" when it can could be part of it, also being hit with high voltage for no real reason. Recommend using ryzen master.

 

I'd have to double check my notes and OC, but I'm pretty sure my 3600 is at 1.25V at 4200 all core. I generally idle at 27C-30C with a Noctua D15 with the fans off. Max temp I've seen was doing stress tests on gpu and CPU at 58C (room about 20-211C) All temps and OC through ryzen master.  I've been to lazy to lock the OC into bios.

 

I did test the stock cooler while I waited for my Noctua am4 mount, but I'd have to look at my notes to verify what it's temps were, I don't want to speak out of turn. I'm pretty sure it idled under 40 though. I want to say it maxed at 75 ish or so, but again, I don't remember and I believe that's before I did an OC.

 

Just for fun, what case/fan setup do you have?

Thanks for the informative reply! I have since read about multiple users reporting that 3rd gen are often reported as being 20 degrees celcius hotter through monitoring software. If I use ryzen master the temps are about 45 degrees on idle. If I then open a chrome tab or launch a program it seems to spike very briefly to 48 - 52 degrees. So maybe the monitoring software was the problem all along. I have since tuned the fan curve to be at 50% untill I reach 75 degrees then it cranks up to 100%. As I also mentioned in another reply, I have a program called MSI Command that lets me tune fan curve and things like that. It might be the reason for the loud cooler since it consistently reads the temps as being 20 degrees hotter than ryzen master. I'll try to uninstall the command software and rely only on BIOS fan curve.

 

My system is in a Phanteks p400s case with 2 x 120 mm fans at the front as intake and a rear 120 mm fan as the exhaust. The PSU is mounted fan down so that shouldn't really affect anything. As for GPU I am using a MSI GTX 970.