is it good

[GreyPanda]

is seasonic M12ii evo 620 bronze fully modular good?

[GoldenLag]

Not really. Group regulated of an old design. 

 

Much better offerings around the same pricepoint usually

[PineyCreek]

Low tier according to current PSU tier list.

 

 

[Vejnemojnen]

32 minutes ago, GreyPanda said:

is seasonic M12ii evo 620 bronze fully modular good?

If You already have it, and not too old, you need not to rush with changing it. If you are about to buy one new, I would not recommend it. 

 

Buying group regulated psu, esp with that high wattage is a bit anachronistic in 2020. If You need 600+ watts, you can afford a decent PSU. 

 

What do You want to power?  99.9% of the time, people tend to overguesstimate the required wattage. 

 

What rig do You have? Cpu, gpu 

[GreyPanda]

29 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

If You already have it, and not too old, you need not to rush with changing it. If you are about to buy one new, I would not recommend it. 

 

Buying group regulated psu, esp with that high wattage is a bit anachronistic in 2020. If You need 600+ watts, you can afford a decent PSU. 

 

What do You want to power?  99.9% of the time, people tend to overguesstimate the required wattage. 

 

What rig do You have? Cpu, gpu 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$124.99 @ B&H
Motherboard	Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO WIFI (rev. 1.0) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$124.55 @ B&H
Memory	Patriot Viper RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$99.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Samsung 840 EVO 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage	Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card	Zotac GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB Mini Video Card	$609.99 @ Amazon
Case	MSI MAG VAMPIRIC 010 ATX Mid Tower Case
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit	$145.00 @ Walmart
Case Fan	Deepcool CF120 3 in 1 56.5 CFM 120 mm Fans	$44.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1149.51
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-09 07:09 EDT-0400

here it is

[Roswell]

1 hour ago, PineyCreek said:

Low tier according to current PSU tier list.

 

 

That list is pretty worthless. If you read the reasoning behind the rankings, they're basing it entirely off of features and specs. No regard to reliability is given, which is objectively the most important aspect of a PSU.

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, Vitamanic said:

That list is pretty worthless. If you read the reasoning behind the rankings, they're basing it entirely off of features and specs. No regard to reliability is given, which is objectively the most important aspect of a PSU.

go on... what would you like to see?

[PineyCreek]

5 minutes ago, Vitamanic said:

That list is pretty worthless. If you read the reasoning behind the rankings, they're basing it entirely off of features and specs. No regard to reliability is given, which is objectively the most important aspect of a PSU.

Ok.

[Meganter]

6 minutes ago, Vitamanic said:

That list is pretty worthless. If you read the reasoning behind the rankings, they're basing it entirely off of features and specs. No regard to reliability is given, which is objectively the most important aspect of a PSU.

It's base on reliability, what are you talking about ?

[Vejnemojnen]

10 minutes ago, Vitamanic said:

That list is pretty worthless. If you read the reasoning behind the rankings, they're basing it entirely off of features and specs. No regard to reliability is given, which is objectively the most important aspect of a PSU.

elaborate, how would you factor in long term (5-10years) "reliability" with units introduced in the last 1-1.5 years? : ) 

[Vejnemojnen]

21 minutes ago, GreyPanda said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$124.99 @ B&H
Motherboard	Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO WIFI (rev. 1.0) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$124.55 @ B&H
Memory	Patriot Viper RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$99.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Samsung 840 EVO 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Storage	Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card	Zotac GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB Mini Video Card	$609.99 @ Amazon
Case	MSI MAG VAMPIRIC 010 ATX Mid Tower Case
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit	$145.00 @ Walmart
Case Fan	Deepcool CF120 3 in 1 56.5 CFM 120 mm Fans	$44.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1149.51
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-09 07:09 EDT-0400

here it is

A decent 450-500w will suffice.

Corsair RM550x https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079HGL413/ref=twister_B07V6HH4PQ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Corsair TX550m 

[Roswell]

8 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

go on... what would you like to see?

I don't really care. As I said, the list is pretty worthless as the methodology is flawed.

 

With the logic in that list, you could load a PSU with the cheapest components known to man that will inevitably fail, add a bunch of features, spec it nicely and end up on the top of the list.

 

 

[Lurick]

Just now, Vejnemojnen said:

elaborate, how would you factor in long term (5-10years) "reliability" with units introduced in the last 1-1.5 years? : ) 

You DON'T have a time machine?!?

In this era of time travel?!?

[Vejnemojnen]

9 minutes ago, Lurick said:

You DON'T have a time machine?!?

In this era of time travel?!?

I know I should be ashamed, but. I do not know how to travel forward in time. Neither do I have a krystall ball.  

[GoldenLag]

36 minutes ago, Vitamanic said:

add a bunch of features

you mean protections?

36 minutes ago, Vitamanic said:

With the logic in that list, you could load a PSU with the cheapest components known to man that will inevitably fail, add a bunch of features, spec it nicely and end up on the top of the list.

do you have units whom you feel are unjust in their placement due to flawed methodoligy?

[LukeSavenije]

34 minutes ago, Vitamanic said:

As I said, the list is pretty worthless as the methodology is flawed

can't make it more worthless than calling something worthless without even being able to explain it.

 

34 minutes ago, Vitamanic said:

With the logic in that list, you could load a PSU with the cheapest components known to man that will inevitably fail, add a bunch of features, spec it nicely and end up on the top of the list.

protection is a feature now? catastrophic failure is a nice spec? this confuses more than anything

[seon123]

2 hours ago, Vitamanic said:

That list is pretty worthless. If you read the reasoning behind the rankings, they're basing it entirely off of features and specs. No regard to reliability is given, which is objectively the most important aspect of a PSU.

The same way that the most important aspect of a CPU, GPU or motherboard is the reliability...? You care about the performance, the noise, protections, features, and to some extent the components used.

[Ralf]

4 hours ago, Vejnemojnen said:

elaborate, how would you factor in long term (5-10years) "reliability" with units introduced in the last 1-1.5 years? : ) 

Yeah, those people know nothing, at least seasonic did prove that S12II/M12II works even after 10years and they put a not even 1year old psu(RM2019, Straight Power Platinum, Seasonic GX and Adata) above it, wtf? How can a 1year old psu be more reliable then a 10 or even 20years old that still works?

@LukeSavenije

[LukeSavenije]

1 hour ago, Ralf said:

above it, wtf? How can a 1year old psu be more reliable then a 10 or even 20years old that still works?

let's see... because an industry moves on and improves their products?

[Juular]

1 hour ago, Ralf said:

How can a 1year old psu be more reliable then a 10 or even 20years old that still works?

What ?

Do you have any idea about how PSUs work or made ?

Seasonic makes PSUs from the same components that other PSUs are made, in China. Why PSUs made by FSP or CWT would be less reliable when they're literally made of the same components, just basically wired in a different way, making an actually modern PSU instead of outdated group regulated crap ?

By this logic, 10 years old Corsair HX would be more reliable than modern one ? Or even Seasonic S12II would be more reilable than Seasonic PRIME ? Or you should only buy 10 years old designs because of that ? How that does even work ? Or Seasonic PSUs are more reliable than other ones just because it's ... Seasonic ?

7 hours ago, Vitamanic said:

That list is pretty worthless. If you read the reasoning behind the rankings, they're basing it entirely off of features and specs. No regard to reliability is given, which is objectively the most important aspect of a PSU.

What we need to base PSU tier list then ? tier S+++ - all Seasonic PSUs, tier F - everything else ?

 

Edit: For OP, @GreyPanda where are you buying at ? If in US, look at bq! PP11, it's somewhat budget but certainly way better pick than Seasonic S12II, or high-end Corsair RMx which would be better pick for the GPU like this. Yes, 500W are enough for it.

[Ralf]

1 hour ago, Juular said:

1- Seasonic makes PSUs from the same components that other PSUs are made, in China. Why PSUs made by FSP or CWT would be less reliable when they're literally made of the same components, just basically wired in a different way, making an actually modern PSU instead of outdated group regulated crap ?

2- By this logic, 10 years old Corsair HX would be more reliable than modern one ? Or even Seasonic S12II would be more reilable than Seasonic PRIME ? Or you should only buy 10 years old designs because of that ? How that does even work ?

3- Or Seasonic PSUs are more reliable than other ones just because it's ... Seasonic ?

4- What we need to base PSU tier list then ? tier S+++ - all Seasonic PSUs, tier F - everything else ?

What if they dont know what they are doing?

Well the Prime costs more than the S12II, so your point is moot.

Yes it is, isnt it?

Yes because it just works.

[Juular]

@Ralf, here's your PSU tier list Seasonic edition, enjoy :

 

PSU Tier List final and definitive version

 

Tiering of various units based on the fact that Seasonic makes best PSUs.

 

Methodology:

Spoiler

- Seasonic makes the best PSUs

- They make only PSUs so they are quality

- They're American, not some Chinese crap

- They have 10+ years old PSUs that they still sell, so they're quality

 

Tier S++ - The best built units, because they're Seasonic

• Seasonic All units

Tier F - Literal bombs

• All PSUs from brands other than Seasonic

[LukeSavenije]

14 minutes ago, Ralf said:

Well the Prime costs more than the S12II, so your point is moot.

masterwatt MIJ costs 1000 dollars

 

doesn't make it better than the axi

[Juular]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

masterwatt MIJ costs 1000 dollars

 

doesn't make it better than the axi

Because CoolerMaster is not a Seasonic, it's obvious.

[Ralf]

1 hour ago, LukeSavenije said:

masterwatt MIJ costs 1000 dollars

 

doesn't make it better than the axi

axi is better cuz its made by seasonic