AMD FX-9590 optimization. Help please?

[Phil Cunningham]

Hey Guys!

 

So i am in the process of overhauling my rig. I need to squeeze another 2 years out of this thing and then i can invest in a complete new machine. I am trying to squeeze as much power out of this thing as i can in the meantime. My hardware is as follows:

 

Case: Cooler Master Enforcer, with 200mm intake fan, and dual 120mm exhaust fans

CPU Cooler: Corsair h70 (I believe) water block with dual fans.

PSU: EVGA 750 watt

 

Motherboard: gigabyte 990fxa-ud3 rev 4 with the most up to date BIOS

CPU: AMD FX-9590

RAM: 32 gigs of Hyperx Fury 1866 DDR3 (On order)

 

Storage:

Crucial 250gig MX500 SSD (Windows/Boot drive)

Crucial 1tb MX500 SSD (Storage)

WD Black 1tb (Storage)

WD Black 4tb (Storage) (On Order)

WD Blue 4tb (Storage) (On Order)

 

Graphics:

ASUS GTX 1080 Turbo (Primary GPU)

Zotac GTX 970 (Secondary GPU)

 

Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64bit

 

 

I Found a guide for overclocking my CPU:

https://www.modders-inc.com/gigabyte-990fxa-ud3-rev-4-0-motherboard-review/4/

 

However, i have never dabbled in overclocking, so to be honest, i am not sure what most of that guide ACTUALLY means. It does tell me some settings to try so i will go ahead with those and see what happens...?

 

As far as i know, this pretty much tops out the system as far as hardware goes, and i KNOW my CPU is my bottleneck. So i have a few questions for the community.

 

1) Using the guide i linked as a reference, is there any other settings i should focus on in my BIOS?

2) Are there any programs or software i could look into in order to increase performance? I ask as i have seen things like Process Lasso (https://bitsum.com/) that some claim helped, some claimed windows on its own does it better, and some simply said "I have no idea".

3) Are there any system tweaks in windows i should be checking?

4) Are there any easy to use programs i can run to verify stability? I know there as TONS out there, but as i don't know a lot about any of them.

 

As for overclocking, i know the FX-9590 is pretty close to max already out of the box. So im not expecting to get a lot more out of the chip. Most of what i read shows such varied results that i am not sure i want the headache of spending a full day adding a few Mhz to the clock and testing for an hour and going back.... If i can squeeze 4.9Ghz, cool. 5Ghz has been reported, even 5.1Ghz, but seeing as though i just don't have much expierence, im very hesitant to try for those numbers as a first step. If i look at everything else and am no further ahead, then i might cave and try, but with some luck i'll get some valuable advice here!

 

Thanks in advance!

Phil

 

NOTE: I forgot to add, i am just looking to game on this thing. Anything else is just secondary. I do video recording which i run off the GTX 970. I also have 3 monitors running on that card, with my main monitor running on the GTX 1080.

[Electronics Wizardy]

5 minutes ago, Phil Cunningham said:

WD Black 4tb (Storage) (On Order)

WD Blue 4tb (Storage) (On Order)

 

Id get a single 8tb drive if you can instead.

 

Other than the normal tweaks of don't run extra stuff in the background there isn't much you can do for a general workload, If something is slow, test it.

 

Prime95, aida64 are good for checking stability.

 

Keep an eye on those vrm temps, those chips are known to cook vrms.

 

I don't think you will get much more out of it, the 9590 is already so close to the limit. I personally wouldn't bother, there just isn't much to gain. But its mostly multipler and voltage your playing with.

[Phil Cunningham]

Hey Electronics!

 

See i was torn about the hard drives. I would like the Black for games, and the Blue for raw storage (Like when recording videos or anything that speed really isn't make or break.) I can cancel the 4tb Blue and go with a 6tb WD Black for about the same price. May i ask why the concern over having the dual 4tb drives?

 

When you say keep an eye on those VRM Temperatures, what exactly do you mean? (Again, totally new to this aspect of PC tweaking.)

 

Thank you for the reply! =D 

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, Phil Cunningham said:

Hey Electronics!

 

See i was torn about the hard drives. I would like the Black for games, and the Blue for raw storage (Like when recording videos or anything that speed really isn't make or break.) I can cancel the 4tb Blue and go with a 6tb WD Black for about the same price. May i ask why the concern over having the dual 4tb drives?

 

When you say keep an eye on those VRM Temperatures, what exactly do you mean? (Again, totally new to this aspect of PC tweaking.)

 

Thank you for the reply! =D 

Id get a single 8tb, it will be faster than the black as bigger drives are faster, and will slow down less with usage. A single drive is just normally a better options. Also make sure to back up

 

You should be able to monitor the vrm temps in software, make sure they don't get too hot. You don't have great airflow over the board with a aio, and that chip is very power hungry.

[steelo]

As long as you try to keep your system optimized and efficient, I'd say it should remain useful for a few more years. There really isn't much more you can do to prolong the inevitable on an aging CPU.

 

I wouldn't bother with overclocking, but maybe try incrementally undervolting it to see if you can achieve lower CPU temps.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

16 minutes ago, Phil Cunningham said:

However, i have never dabbled in overclocking, so to be honest, i am not sure what most of that guide ACTUALLY means.

Boring answer, but take your time to find out a little bit about each of them, it will pay off in terms of choosing which risks to take and what is safe.

 

16 minutes ago, Phil Cunningham said:

It does tell me some settings to try so i will go ahead with those and see what happens...?

You could, although a quick glance tell me they are using the stock multiplier for a 9590.

 

16 minutes ago, Phil Cunningham said:

 

1) Using the guide i linked as a reference, is there any other settings i should focus on in my BIOS?

It's pretty much multiplier, vcore, and LLC, but if you have fast ram you may need to use the CPU NB voltage too at some stage. If in doubt, do the OC with ram at default (1333 or 1600) speeds and then try re-enabling the 1866 profile.

 

16 minutes ago, Phil Cunningham said:

2) Are there any programs or software i could look into in order to increase performance? I ask as i have seen things like Process Lasso (https://bitsum.com/) that some claim helped, some claimed windows on its own does it better, and some simply said "I have no idea".

Unlikely, although de-bloating is never a bad idea

 

16 minutes ago, Phil Cunningham said:

4) Are there any easy to use programs i can run to verify stability? I know there as TONS out there, but as i don't know a lot about any of them.

OCCT, definitely. At least in my experience with FX CPUs, Prime95 will burn your PC for an hour before finding an error, while OCCT will fail in 15 minutes top

 

16 minutes ago, Phil Cunningham said:

As for overclocking, i know the FX-9590 is pretty close to max already out of the box. So im not expecting to get a lot more out of the chip.Most of what i read shows such varied results that i am not sure i want the headache of spending a full day adding a few Mhz to the clock and testing for an hour and going back....

I'd even say it's more convenient to try undervolting it and see if you can sustain stock clocks at lower voltages (hence temps).

 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

9 minutes ago, Phil Cunningham said:

Hey Electronics!

 

See i was torn about the hard drives. I would like the Black for games, and the Blue for raw storage (Like when recording videos or anything that speed really isn't make or break.) I can cancel the 4tb Blue and go with a 6tb WD Black for about the same price. May i ask why the concern over having the dual 4tb drives?

I'd be the opposing voice and say don't put all your eggs in one basket - 2x4TB seems reasonable to me.

 

9 minutes ago, Phil Cunningham said:

 

When you say keep an eye on those VRM Temperatures, what exactly do you mean? (Again, totally new to this aspect of PC tweaking.)

The Voltage Regulator Modules are the components in charge of turning 12v into whatever your CPU is using, so all the power consumed by the CPU goes through them. THey lie beneath a heatsink, which in your motherboard is connected to the North Bridge heatsking by a heatpipe. As you push the CPU, they'll get hotter, although you seem to have a good motherboard in that regard. Still, remember that you are playing at the limits of this lineup... Very few boards even dared to advertise support for the 9370 and 9590.

Some motherboards had temp sensors in that area, but don't know about yours.

 

[Phil Cunningham]

Ok, i understand what you mean now about the VRM. Is there a temp that i should be looking for? One i should panic and grab a fire extinguisher while desperately reaching for the power switch?

 

On a side note about that... There is a vertical card mount on my PC case. Its situated near my video cards. Would it be a good idea to invest in a slot cooler to blow air towards the cards (And at the same time, towards the motherboard in general)? Something like https://www.amazon.ca/GDSTIME-Graphic-Graphics-Cooler-Video/dp/B07ZCSCF36/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=expansion+slot+fan&qid=1581454716&s=electronics&sr=1-1

 

or even: https://www.amazon.com/d/Case-Fans/InWin-Mars-Red-Aluminum-Transformer/B07822JRHN?tag=hardwar0d-20

[steelo]

5 minutes ago, Phil Cunningham said:

Ok, i understand what you mean now about the VRM. Is there a temp that i should be looking for? One i should panic and grab a fire extinguisher while desperately reaching for the power switch?

 

On a side note about that... There is a vertical card mount on my PC case. Its situated near my video cards. Would it be a good idea to invest in a slot cooler to blow air towards the cards (And at the same time, towards the motherboard in general)? Something like https://www.amazon.ca/GDSTIME-Graphic-Graphics-Cooler-Video/dp/B07ZCSCF36/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=expansion+slot+fan&qid=1581454716&s=electronics&sr=1-1

 

or even: https://www.amazon.com/d/Case-Fans/InWin-Mars-Red-Aluminum-Transformer/B07822JRHN?tag=hardwar0d-20

Most have a max temperature of around 125C...IMO, anything over 95C is too hot. You could try HWinfo 64 to find the VRM temperature, but I'm not sure if your particular MB has sensors.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

 

3 minutes ago, Phil Cunningham said:

Ok, i understand what you mean now about the VRM. Is there a temp that i should be looking for? One i should panic and grab a fire extinguisher while desperately reaching for the power switch?

 

On a side note about that... There is a vertical card mount on my PC case. Its situated near my video cards. Would it be a good idea to invest in a slot cooler to blow air towards the cards (And at the same time, towards the motherboard in general)? Something like https://www.amazon.ca/GDSTIME-Graphic-Graphics-Cooler-Video/dp/B07ZCSCF36/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=expansion+slot+fan&qid=1581454716&s=electronics&sr=1-1

 

or even: https://www.amazon.com/d/Case-Fans/InWin-Mars-Red-Aluminum-Transformer/B07822JRHN?tag=hardwar0d-20

Fancy, though expensive. I've resorted to less elegant solutions, albeit  my motherboard had weaker VRM cooling

 

Spoiler

That took my VRM temps from 95-100°C to 75°C (measured with an "IR gun" thermometer).

Using two 140mm fans on the side panel of a Carbide 500R removed the need for the local fan (but it was a different motherboard too, more similar to yours).

[mariushm]

My advice is to STOP and reconsider things.

 

No matter how much you overclock and abuse that CPU, you won't do much. You already get pretty well binned cpus which consume a lot of power... overclocking them more will just stress the VRM of that motherboard by a significant amount for little performance increase.

The CPU also lacks some instructions sets like AVX2 which start to matter and are used by modern applications

 

The mosfets are usually rated for 125-150c, and most motherboards will try to keep them below around 110c. You want to keep the temperature of the circuit board in the mosfet area below 100c because over long time (read hundreds of hours at 100c) the epoxy/glue that binds the fibers together in the fiberglass material will dry out/carbonize/deteriorate and the actual fiber glass can become conductive and you may get short circuits between traces inside the motherboard. 

So that's one of the reasons most bioses will have limits to the VRM set to around 100c

 

The actual performance of the processor at stock frequencies IS LOWER THAN AN ORIGINAL RYZEN 1600

 

Here's what I would do.

 

1. Sell the GTX 970 ... one GTX 1080 should be enough.

2. Sell the motherboard + CPU + 16 GB of ram as a bundle for around 150-200$. The CPU alone is sold on eBay for collectors and people that want to upgrade to the maximum available for around 80-90$ - if you sell it at 60-75$, you'd probably sell it within a few days.  The motherboard's high end, you can sell it for around 50-70$ ... 16 GB of memory is another 20-30$ ... so 150$ as a kit is very doable.

3. If you have 32 GB as 4 x 8 GB sticks, sell the rest of 2x8 GB separately.

 

You can get Ryzen 1600 AF series for around 85-100$ ... that's basically Ryzen 2600, and about 1.5x the performance of FX-9590 stock.

You can get a good motherboard for around 60-80$... a very good one for 100$

You can get 16 GB of DDR4 for around 30$ ...

 

By selling the mb+cpu+ram you should have enough money for the mb+cpu, and if you sell the GTX 970 you absolutely have money even for a Ryzen 3600 that's even better, maybe 2x the performance of FX-9590

 

Last but not least, keep in mind that you'd be replacing a cpu with 220w TDP which will probably consume around 250-300w when overclocked, with a CPU that will consume around 110-125w when overclocked. 

Play 4h with your FX and you'll go through 1kWh of energy ... with a new CPU you'd have to play 10 hours for the same effect.

So basically your power bill will be around 3 times smaller.

If you play a few hours each day it adds up .... so think of it as taking 50$ you'd pay the next 3-5 months in electricity and putting that in your CPU upgrade.

 

You can reuse the mechanical hard drives, if you want invest into a m.2 nvme drive for the OS and most important apps.

 

[Phil Cunningham]

Hey Mariushm!

 

Yeah i won't lie, the thought had crossed my mind about scrapping the cpu, motherboard, and ram. I was on the fence for a while, as i had a limited budget. I had just the GTX 970, 12gb of ram, and some older drives. My research led me to believe that the GTX 970 would become the bottleneck should i bump the motherboard, CPU and RAM up. Once all was said and done, i came to the conclusion that i could either upgrade the video card, and deal with CPU bottleneck, or upgrade my CPU/MB/RAM and deal with video card bottleneck.

 

Overall, it was pretty bleak. No matter what route i took, it was going to be a lot of money to not get very far.

 

That all changed when a friend of mine offered to sell me his GTX 1080 turbo for 200$. Suddenly, things got a little easier! I didn't have the budget for the CPU/MB/RAM, but i DID have enough for some ram and a couple hard drives! The Drives could transfer to a new system, and the ram, i could toss into a home server when i was done with it.

 

This is what lead me to be here.

 

The end goal is to eventually bump up the mobo ram and cpu. But for now, i just need to get through.

 

 

As for thermals and power useage, i have some opinions about that. My current thermals under load are below 50 degrees on all cores. To date, cooling has never been an issue. Cable management and airflow forethought has always kept me running pretty cool. I also blast the dust out every 3 months or so to keep things cool.

 

Now that i know to watch the VRM, i can see how they are behaving and go from there. If they are all well under target, then i don't see any reason not to try and squeeze a little more out of the CPU. It doesn't have to last forever, just a year or 2 so i can invest in the new hardware. If my temps are scratching the celing, then i'll bite the bullet and accept defeat.

 

I hope that explains a little more why i am trying to keep this system going and trying to get a little more out of it.

[Beerzerker]

Yes, the VRM with that chip WILL get very warm to hot. It's best to set a small fan in that area if possible, plus the AM3+ Gigabyte boards had issues with VRM's running too warm anyway alot of the time.

 

The stock voltage set by AMD for the chip is really too high, it can run it's stock speed of 4.7 with less than 1.50v's with ease. As to what it can do, that will depends on the exact setup and chip in use - Some can do OK with less and still hit 5.0, some can't.

 

TBH you'd probrably be better off getting a FX-8370 or similar chip since all FX chips tend to act the same. The good thing about the 8xxx chips is that they don't have the massive 225W draw the 9xxx chips do yet can still hit 5.0 with ease.

 

One more thing - Unless you have over the top air cooling with excellent airflow through the case the chip will run hot and thermal-trip period under load (Gaming), I had my Scythe Susanoo cooler on my 9590, undervolted and so on running at 5.0 and even then it would slowly heat up to the point of crashing.

 

Watercooling for a 9xxx chip OC'ed in any way is a must, no getting around it.

 

A few boards I know that can support the chip would be the Asus Crosshair V and it's newer variant Crosshair V-Z, along with the Sabertooth 2.0 and the newer Sabertooth 3.0 version with the RGB's under the PCI-E latches.

I happen to own all four and no issues to mention with their VRM's running my 9590.

 

Interesting note about the Sabertooth 3.0 - It has an m.2 slot so that's a plus.

 

 

[mariushm]

Like I said, if you're paying for electricity you're just fooling yourself. You'll save a lot of money on your power bill every month just by upgrading now instead of waiting two years.

You could upgrade to a relatively high end motherboard when it comes to VRM and quality but cheap, like the 175$ Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite for example and use a cheap 80-100$ Ryzen 1600 AF / 2600 for the cpu.

1-2 years from now, you could upgrade to a Ryzen 3900x or a 3950x.  There's still lots of life in socket AM4 motherboards and these x570 boards can handle it, especially the suggested Gigabyte model can definitely handle even the 16 core 3950x Ryzen.

For something cheaper, a lot of the B450 chipset motherboards from MSI in the 80-120$ range are excellent.

 

You're replacing a power hungry and hot CPU (yes, the cpu may be cool, but that's only because you have a good cooler with radiator that throws heat in the air, and the power supply will produce heat due to lack of efficiency) with one that consumes half or a third of the power, and it's also way more power efficient when idle (ex your fx consumes maybe 20-30w when idle, while a ryzen probably idles below 3-5w when you're in windows doing nothing, modern processors will throttle and suspend cores much better)

 

The GTX 1080 has a very good hardware encoder, which is separate from the cores that actually process game frames and so on. Games will NOT slow down or should not slow down if you use the hardware encoder on the 1080. In fact, it would probably be slower to use separate video card because the software has to download the frames from the 1080, mix them with the overlays and crap, upload them into the 970, encode them with nvenc, download compressed stream from the gtx 970 and upload to Internet.

Another point ... your GTX 1080 is probably a bit choked in some games by the cpu. Even with high frequencies, you still have low IPC and at the end of the day, you have a 4 core processor.

Even a Ryzen 1600 AF / 2600 will have a much higher IPC (instructions per cycle) and the higher number of cores and threads will boost the performance of the GTX 1080. At 4..4.2 ghz, the Ryzens will be faster and better than your 4.7-5ghz FX due to IPC and extra instructions and higher cache sizes and higher memory bandwidth.

 

I'd say sell the GTX 970 and use the money for an upgrade.

[-rascal-]

@Phil Cunningham how is your FX-9590 running current at stock?

What is the stock voltage for stock 4.7GHz / 5.0 GHz boost?

This will kind of give you an idea how much more you can squeeze out.

 

I can say right off the bat, your Corsair H70 will be a limiting factor.

Once you start pushing into the 4.8 / 4.9 / 5.0 GHz all-core range, you either need a beefy air cooler (e.g. Noctuta NH-D14) or a decent 240 / 280 / 360mm AIO.

 

I was able to push my FX-8350 up to 4.8 / 4.9 GHz stable with 1.45V ~ 1.47V Core Voltage...I daily'ed it at 4.9 GHz. 

5.0 GHz / 5.1 GHz needed 1.5V+, and I was limited on temperature with that much voltage going into the CPU.

5 GHz was somewhat game stable at lower Core Voltage, but not Burn Test / Torture test stable (frequency and temperature wise).

 

At that point... increase of +0.05V for a +0.1GHz gain?

Not really worth it.

Hell, evening 4.7GHz with an extra +0.2GHz is going to be very minimal gains.

[Beerzerker]

Aircooling won't cut it as I indicated before - My humongous Susanoo could barely handle my 9590 undervolted at 5.0 and it would still heatsoak the cooler after a short while if gaming at all.

 

I had to leave it at 4.7 with the undervolt to keep going and even then thermals were close to the lid and that was in a large case, side panel off with EXCELLENT airflow across the board itself. https://www.newegg.com/black-thermaltake-core-x5-tg-e-atx-cube-case/p/N82E16811133338

 

Watercooling in literally every application is a must for a 9xxx chip.

Grabbing a 8xxx chip is way cheaper and easier to manage temps and so on with the plus a good aircooler can handle it.

[Phil Cunningham]

Hello Rascal

 

I will have to dive in and look at the settings as soon as i get home (In an hour or so) and report back. Honestly, it has never boosted to 5.0 as far as i can tell, but with that said, i have never run any settings in the BIOS other then default settings. Could it be a sign that the CPU is just not able to? Well... maybe. Or maybe the default settings of the BIOS play it safe and don't have it enabled. I couldn't say one way or another as i never knew what i was looking for. Its been stable where its at, and i have been happy, so i never went looking for a problem lol! (If its not broken, don't fix it mentality.)

 

Like i said all along, i am not sold on NEEDING to overclock the cpu.

 

With that said, Beerzerker suggested using an 8xxx series chip. If i am not mistaken, i am pretty sure i have an FX-8350 or 8370 collecting dust. I was going to use it for build, but if that chip will net me better frames, i can swap to that and test?

[Guest]

58 minutes ago, Beerzerker said:

Yes, the VRM with that chip WILL get very warm to hot. It's best to set a small fan in that area if possible, plus the AM3+ Gigabyte boards had issues with VRM's running too warm anyway alot of the time.

 

The stock voltage set by AMD for the chip is really too high, it can run it's stock speed of 4.7 with less than 1.50v's with ease. As to what it can do, that will depends on the exact setup and chip in use - Some can do OK with less and still hit 5.0, some can't.

 

TBH you'd probrably be better off getting a FX-8370 or similar chip since all FX chips tend to act the same. The good thing about the 8xxx chips is that they don't have the massive 225W draw the 9xxx chips do yet can still hit 5.0 with ease.

 

One more thing - Unless you have over the top air cooling with excellent airflow through the case the chip will run hot and thermal-trip period under load (Gaming), I had my Scythe Susanoo cooler on my 9590, undervolted and so on running at 5.0 and even then it would slowly heat up to the point of crashing.

 

Watercooling for a 9xxx chip OC'ed in any way is a must, no getting around it.

 

A few boards I know that can support the chip would be the Asus Crosshair V and it's newer variant Crosshair V-Z, along with the Sabertooth 2.0 and the newer Sabertooth 3.0 version with the RGB's under the PCI-E latches.

I happen to own all four and no issues to mention with their VRM's running my 9590.

 

Interesting note about the Sabertooth 3.0 - It has an m.2 slot so that's a plus.

 

 

Yep Had the V-Z and the Saber 2.0. Both boards rocked, but nothing compares to the CHVZ imo. Maybe the Giga UD7..... ya that one equal, had that one too......

 

Need lots of cooling for FX-9590. 

 

Stock Turbo boost according to P-states at 5000mhz is 1.5250v. Quite difficult to control....

 

@Original Poster

No need to swap cpu's though. 

Go to Cpu-z and hit the "about tab". Lower left, upper tab, click "Save Report .TXT"

 

Open TXT and scroll down and find your p-states. Copy paste, post them here. 

Then select one of the P-states lower than the 5ghz boost frequency and manually set up the clocks (multiplier) and voltage. Then you can tweak your way up to a preferred temp limit. This is what I did on air cooling (for testing) and it was just impossible to run this chip even at stock. But at a lower P-state, did just fine. I had FX-8320 8350 8370E 8300 chips all available to swap, but the 9590 just spanked them all in sheer clock speed, so no point degrading the Cpu, just lowered my clocks a bit. Worked out fine. 

[Phil Cunningham]

# of P-States        7
    P-State            FID 0x22 - VID 0x04 - IDD 18 (25.00x - 1.500 V)
    P-State            FID 0x1F - VID 0x04 - IDD 18 (23.50x - 1.500 V)
    P-State            FID 0x1D - VID 0x04 - IDD 18 (22.50x - 1.500 V)
    P-State            FID 0x18 - VID 0x0D - IDD 14 (20.00x - 1.387 V)
    P-State            FID 0x12 - VID 0x16 - IDD 11 (17.00x - 1.275 V)
    P-State            FID 0x8 - VID 0x26 - IDD 7 (12.00x - 1.075 V)
    P-State            FID 0x10C - VID 0x36 - IDD 4 (7.00x - 0.875 V)


Was this what you were looking for?

[Beerzerker]

1 hour ago, Phil Cunningham said:

Hello Rascal

 

I will have to dive in and look at the settings as soon as i get home (In an hour or so) and report back. Honestly, it has never boosted to 5.0 as far as i can tell, but with that said, i have never run any settings in the BIOS other then default settings. Could it be a sign that the CPU is just not able to? Well... maybe. Or maybe the default settings of the BIOS play it safe and don't have it enabled. I couldn't say one way or another as i never knew what i was looking for. Its been stable where its at, and i have been happy, so i never went looking for a problem lol! (If its not broken, don't fix it mentality.)

 

Like i said all along, i am not sold on NEEDING to overclock the cpu.

 

With that said, Beerzerker suggested using an 8xxx series chip. If i am not mistaken, i am pretty sure i have an FX-8350 or 8370 collecting dust. I was going to use it for build, but if that chip will net me better frames, i can swap to that and test?

Using a 8xxx chip is not going to improve FPS but would be more manageable in terms of operating temps seen.

These chips are all the same basic thing, the 9xxx chips being the top binned chips from that line (Vishera) but also spec'ed to OC like mad with their higher wattage rating too. 

Shrimpy knows alot about tweaking P-States and so on and can help if you really want to go with the 9xxx chip.

 

My concern was not to have you overheating the system all the time with the 9xxx running and possibly stressing the VRM's too, hence my suggestion(s).

 

[Guest]

Yessir, thank you! Fast response too. +_+ will buy from this seller again!

 

 

Start here, work your way up in clocks. 1/2 multi at a time. If it hangs, increase v-core a little. Try to stay between 1.387 (1.40v) to 1.450v and you should be able to manage it a lot better. 

 

P-State            FID 0x18 - VID 0x0D - IDD 14 (20.00x - 1.387 V)

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Beerzerker said:

Using a 8xxx chip is not going to improve FPS but would be more manageable in terms of operating temps seen.

These chips are all the same basic thing, the 9xxx chips being the top binned chips from that line (Vishera) but also spec'ed to OC like mad with their higher wattage rating too. 

Shrimpy knows alot about tweaking P-States and so on and can help if you really want to go with the 9xxx chip.

 

My concern was not to have you overheating the system all the time with the 9xxx running and possibly stressing the VRM's too, hence my suggestion(s).

 

A 3850 turbo is 4.2ghz with a base clock of 4ghz. Might as well clock the 9590 to these specs instead of swapping chips. 

Just my opinion, He can do whatever he likes. Just putting options on the board

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1 hour ago, Phil Cunningham said:

# of P-States        7
    P-State            FID 0x22 - VID 0x04 - IDD 18 (25.00x - 1.500 V)
    P-State            FID 0x1F - VID 0x04 - IDD 18 (23.50x - 1.500 V)
    P-State            FID 0x1D - VID 0x04 - IDD 18 (22.50x - 1.500 V)
    P-State            FID 0x18 - VID 0x0D - IDD 14 (20.00x - 1.387 V)
    P-State            FID 0x12 - VID 0x16 - IDD 11 (17.00x - 1.275 V)
    P-State            FID 0x8 - VID 0x26 - IDD 7 (12.00x - 1.075 V)
    P-State            FID 0x10C - VID 0x36 - IDD 4 (7.00x - 0.875 V)


Was this what you were looking for?

 

The advertised maximum Turbo Boost speed is usually when 1 ~ 2 cores are active, while all other cores are idle.

Damn, already 1.50V for 4.5 GHz / 4.7 GHz / 5.0 GHz

 

I should also point out, that had my FX-8350 paired with a ASUS Crosshair V Formula (non-Z).

Your mileage may vary with GA-990FXA-UD3.

 

 

I'd say...the chip is already programmed to use up to 1.50V.

See how much you can bump up from the stock all-core 4.7 GHz by just changing the CPU ratio.

Stock/Auto should be 23.5 (e.g. 200 MHz x 23.5 = 4700 MHz), so as mentioned, slowly bump it up...

24x, 24.5x ... and see what you get.

 

If you are interested in potentially reducing your temperatures, you can experiment with dropping the Core Voltage.

 

Literally, AMD took a bunch of FX-8350s into the backroom, jacked the voltage up to 1.5V, and see which ones were able to handle 4.7GHz / 5.0GHz.

If it passes, then it gets slapped the FX-9590 ID.

 

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My point is they don't have to run 1.5v's to hit 5.0 with the chip.

Mine could do it with 1.44v's or so and it did let run a little cooler. If I had left the voltage at stock for the chip, 5.0 just wasn't happening.

The OP can experiment to see what voltage they can use to hit 5.0 stable without having to leave it at 1.50v's.

 

I do agree though about the binnning process - Top bins were selected to become 9590's, no doubt about it.

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I don't know about no re-branded FX-8350s.....

 

The 9590 was the high leakage chip of the century. Perfect for LN2, great response to chilling. 

 

One of the best chips I got to play with was the 8370E. 3.3ghz base, 4.3ghz boost. It did better than the FX-8350 and was a low leakage chip. Hense the "E" for energy saver. 

 

Definitely Binned, but I don't recall them changing Sub IDs, that would be a gross waste of time and money.