Formating HD FOR GOOD etc

[MasterRaceMcqueen]

I don't know how EXACTLY how data travels through windows...


Guys... I have several hard drives and I know that formatting does not completely remove the data, I know that even formatting someone can recover the data, I need to know if there is any software that cleans for GOOD or if I need to buy new hard drives for my ALL pcs and servers... If I only buy one ssd for my pc's and use a pen drive for when i download something the data can go straight to the pen drive folder does this date from Donwloading somehow can get in the pc 'windows', even falling straight into the flash drive? 

some old hd's that I used in these machines have never being used i mean 0..., but does somehow could have been some data from the C`: disc?

The most experienced guy with the best recovery tools can't recover a single data from these hard drives... lol

ty all... 

[Electronics Wizardy]

best way to delete permentaly is to phsically break the drive, so drill.

 

Next best is to do a full zero or random write on a hdd. No reason to do multiple passes.

 

If its a ssd do a secure earse, most drives support the ata command.

 

If your reusing the drive, a quick format is fine, the system won't see the old data. Full wipes only need to be done when disposing or selling a drive. You won't get data thats beed deleted or quick formatted easily or by accident, you need tools for it, so its won't be pullin ghte wrong data.

 

 

[MasterRaceMcqueen]

11 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

best way to delete permentaly is to phsically break the drive, so drill.

 

Next best is to do a full zero or random write on a hdd. No reason to do multiple passes.

 

If its a ssd do a secure earse, most drives support the ata command.

 

If your reusing the drive, a quick format is fine, the system won't see the old data. Full wipes only need to be done when disposing or selling a drive. You won't get data thats beed deleted or quick formatted easily or by accident, you need tools for it, so its won't be pullin ghte wrong data.

 

 

Hm... What if someone with money and the best software? even if a try this it's not 100%?
it's a lot o money involved...

The purpose of this paper was a categorical settlement to the controversy surrounding the misconceptions involving the belief that data can be recovered following a wipe procedure. This study has demonstrated that correctly wiped data cannot reasonably be retrieved even if it is of a small size or found only over small parts of the hard drive. Not even with the use of a MFM or other known methods. The belief that a tool can be developed to retrieve gigabytes or terabytes of information from a wiped drive is in error. Although there is a good chance of recovery for any individual bit from a drive, the chances of recovery of any amount of data from a drive using an electron microscope are negligible. Even speculating on the possible recovery of an old drive, there is no likelihood that any data would be recoverable from the drive. The forensic recovery of data using electron microscopy is infeasible. This was true both on old drives and has become more difficult over time. Further, there is a need for the data to have been written and then wiped on a raw unused drive for there to be any hope of any level of recovery even at the bit level, which does not reflect real situations. It is unlikely that a recovered drive will have not been used for a period of time and the interaction of defragmentation, file copies and general use that overwrites data areas negates any chance of data recovery. The fallacy that data can be forensically recovered using an electron microscope or related means needs to be put to rest.

https://www.vidarholen.net/~vidar/overwriting_hard_drive_data.pdf

ty

[nick name]

1 minute ago, MasterRaceMcqueen said:

Hm... What if someone with money and the best software? even if a try this it's not 100%? it's a lot o money involved...

-snip-

ty

What are you saying here? 

[AX-Procyon]

Some HDD management software allows you to securely erase the drives. Like HD Tune Pro. Or if you can't trust software you can always format the drive first, fill it up with your own garble data, and format again. This should eliminate any possibility of recovering old data. 

[nick name]

3 minutes ago, AX-Procyon said:

Some HDD management software allows you to securely erase the drives. Like HD Tune Pro. Or if you can't trust software you can always format the drive first, fill it up with your own garble data, and format again. This should eliminate any possibility of recovering old data. 

That may overwrite old data, but if the old remnants of the file table remains that might be concerning to OP.  

[MasterRaceMcqueen]

6 minutes ago, AX-Procyon said:

Some HDD management software allows you to securely erase the drives. Like HD Tune Pro. Or if you can't trust software you can always format the drive first, fill it up with your own garble data, and format again. This should eliminate any possibility of recovering old data. 

According with this 'go conclusion' even using that and other methods it's no 100%
https://www.usenix.org/legacy/events/fast11/tech/full_papers/Wei.pdf
https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html

[Bitter]

When I dispose of my own personal hard drives I run a 1/2 inch spike through the platters and circuit board with an air powered impact hammer then send them with a load of scrap to the junk yard and don't worry any more about it. The cost to recover data from that would far outweigh anything a criminal could gain. If I was being covertly targeted by the government I'm sure they'd more easily bug my internet traffic than recover old data from the destroyed drives. It's a similar method to how Google 'secure erases' their own hard drives.

[MasterRaceMcqueen]

1 minute ago, Bitter said:

When I dispose of my own personal hard drives I run a 1/2 inch spike through the platters and circuit board with an air powered impact hammer then send them with a load of scrap to the junk yard and don't worry any more about it. The cost to recover data from that would far outweigh anything a criminal could gain. If I was being covertly targeted by the government I'm sure they'd more easily bug my internet traffic than recover old data from the destroyed drives. It's a similar method to how Google 'secure erases' their own hard drives.

IDK if i mark funny informative or solved lol

[MasterRaceMcqueen]

12 hours ago, nick name said:

What are you saying here? 

I mean... some one with money etc will check all my HD’s maybe ssds and i have been worried... and the best tree articles about 'CLEAN' that a found just by reading the conclusions says:

No, not all methods of the world is 100%

 

https://www.usenix.org/legacy/events/fast11/tech/full_papers/Wei.pdf
https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html

the other that i mentioned early with says is a maybe i guess?

it's not clear rather if there is 100% a method or NOT

https://www.vidarholen.net/~vidar/overwriting_hard_drive_data.pdf

Of course disregarding the idea of complete annihilation of our friend above lol

 

ty again... for your time...

[nick name]

Is this a theoretical question?  Are you just asking to know what technologies exist that can read a hard drive?  

[Kilrah]

The OP is unreadable. It seems you're talking of erasing drives when you get them (" or if I need to buy new hard drives for my ALL pcs and servers"), no reason to care about that in the first place.

[WereCatf]

9 hours ago, MasterRaceMcqueen said:

some one with money etc will check all my HD’s maybe ssds and i have been worried

Why would someone bother spending tens of thousands of dollars on trying to recover data from your HDDs? Are you a millionaire or something? No? Yeah, literally no one would spend that much money on you.

[MasterRaceMcqueen]

I Already told u guys in many different ways...even after reading only the conclusions of those articles I couldn't tell
I don't want to get into social and economic terms unfortunately in my country the system simple dosen't work, I live in an country with abusive taxes that don’t allow us to make a fair profit even a company of mine or similar
some factories in the region close due to supervision by professionals I mean real PRO and i provide employment and the purpuse to aks those thins is save a few thousand dollars in HD's  
or i will just disposed... better than lose Millions...
If some one tells a way to clean 100% i will save a few thousand dollars in HD and Ssd

[Kilrah]

https://dban.org/ for HDDs.

SDD as already mentioned just send the Secure Erase command using appropriate software, it takes 30 seconds.

[Killing-time-itself]

If you want the data to be completely un recoverable compete destruction of the drive 

 

Now If you want to wipe all the data secure enough that it wont be able to be recovered... I dont know enough about that ,but wiping and reusing them it shouldnt be easy to recover data from the drives at that point.

[Bitter]

Fire probably wipes drives pretty good too.

[Killing-time-itself]

15 hours ago, Bitter said:

Fire probably wipes drives pretty good too.

I've heard a drop from 13 stories does pretty good too.

[Bitter]

28 minutes ago, Killing-time-itself said:

I've heard a drop from 13 stories does pretty good too.

That's a lot of Instagram.

[Killing-time-itself]

On 1/11/2020 at 3:17 PM, Bitter said:

That's a lot of Instagram.

I mean. I was talking about buildings but yeah you can't recover from all your private data being exposed I guess.