i7-4790k to a Ryzen 3700x, upgrade or wait?

[Leandro B]

I'm currently running:
i7-4790k in a Asrock Fatal1ty Z97 Killer Motherboard (Not overclocking)
16GB DDR3 1600MHz RAM
GTX 1080
HDD boot drive

So i have this configuration since 2015 (except the 1080 i got in the following year), it was my first build and i didn't know much about hardware back then, but now i'm looking to upgrade.
I can't say i'm unhappy with my current rig, i'm actually pretty proud of it. Runs all my games pretty well, but it's kinda showing its age in some aspects.
For my next rig configuration i'm looking for the Following

Ryzen 7 3700x in a Mini ITX Gigabyte X570 Aorus (Sentry 2.0 case)
32GB DDR4 2400MHz
GTX 1080 (Keeping it for now, but maybe i will upgrade depending on the next gen)
1TB M.2 PCIe boot drive

However... I'm not feeling very sure about the CPU updrade, since my PC is doing well i sure can wait, but i'm itching to upgrade, but i want to get the best 65W 8/16 CPU possible to justify the upgrade, but i'm not sure if wait almost another year for it's release is worth the way...
Sorry if i'm making it confuse, but i would like opinions.
Should i upgrade my i7-4790k for a 3700x now, or wait for the next interation in the Ryzen lineup?

[Mister Woof]

 

The 4790k is still competent. Especially with only a GTX 1080.

 

These results are with a 2080 ti, which you don't have. Differences will be much less pronounced in your case with the 1080.

 

Overclock. You have nothing to lose and a lot to gain.

[Leandro B]

4 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Overclock. You have nothing to lose and a lot to gain.

Holly Crap, how did i miss this video!?
Thanks, i will take a look

[Sorenson]

At this point in time waiting is probably the best choice. Historically, ryzen CPUs start to quickly go down in price in the first half of the year. I would at least wait until CES is over.

[Mister Woof]

6 minutes ago, Leandro B said:

Holly Crap, how did i miss this video!?
Thanks, i will take a look

Make no mistake, newer games will still benefit from more resources, and almost all CPU upgrade options will benefit your frametimes, but the 4790k is still decent enough.

 

If you can hold out until maybe June next year, which I think you can, the 4th generation Ryzen chips look insane.

[SkilledRebuilds]

11 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Make no mistake, newer games will still benefit from more resources, and almost all CPU upgrade options will benefit your frametimes, but the 4790k is still decent enough.

 

If you can hold out until maybe June next year, which I think you can, the 4th generation Ryzen chips look insane.

I'm thinking the same as this... (my 4790K/MSI z97 Gaming7/GTX1070 primary system)

OP - You could try your hand at RAM overclocking to bring up some minimumFPS values (when the CPU is 50%+ in heavier titles you may run)
1866-2133Mhz might be on the table,..even with slightly loose timings,.. it'll still marry up a bit better overall if not too loose for the typical values of that speed your chasing.

I was pleasantly surprised (esp across 4 dimms) my 1866Mhz (933Mhz) does 2200Mhz (1100Mhz), CL 11 12 11 36 from CL 10 11 10 30.

 

[Flying Sausages]

I would go with 3700x if you do productivity beside gaming cuz 8 core is better than 4 core.

[Samfisher]

If you have a use case for a new PC then get it now.  I myself just upgraded from a 3570K to a 3700x and if rumours of Ryzen 3 CPUs at the end of the year are true I'm upgrading again!

[Leandro B]

4 minutes ago, Samfisher said:

If you have a use case for a new PC then get it now.  I myself just upgraded from a 3570K to a 3700x and if rumours of Ryzen 3 CPUs at the end of the year are true I'm upgrading again!

Thats the thing, those rumors are killing me.
I want to upgrade bad at this point, but teh 3700x ain't exactly cheap right now, and if i can buy a way better CPU for more or less the same price, maybe i should wait? 

[mr mans]

I did this exact same upgrade to a 3700x. I did it mainly for productivity reasons and there has been a noticeable improvement in multithreaded workloads like that. There has also been a gaming improvement, but nothing to really brag about. I would say the gaming improvement alone is not worth a complete system rebuild

[Samfisher]

1 minute ago, Leandro B said:

Thats the thing, those rumors are killing me.
I want to upgrade bad at this point, but teh 3700x ain't exactly cheap right now, and if i can buy a way better CPU for more or less the same price, maybe i should wait? 

What is your use case for the new system?  If it's just gaming then a 3600 non-X would still do you good.  If you do wait for the next Ryzen, the price would still be about the same though, unless all you're doing is waiting for the 4 series to get the 3 series at a much lower price.

[Leandro B]

27 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

Make no mistake, newer games will still benefit from more resources, and almost all CPU upgrade options will benefit your frametimes, but the 4790k is still decent enough.

 

If you can hold out until maybe June next year, which I think you can, the 4th generation Ryzen chips look insane.

I watched Gamer's Nexus video and it pretty much told me what we kinda already knew... Upgrade make sense, but it's not like a life changing upgrade...
But yeah, there are a few games that would totaly benefit from the upgrade.

[Leandro B]

5 minutes ago, vukos said:

I did this exact same upgrade to a 3700x. I did it mainly for productivity reasons and there has been a noticeable improvement in multithreaded workloads like that. There has also been a gaming improvement, but nothing to really brag about. I would say the gaming improvement alone is not worth a complete system rebuild

I see. Yeah, i guess thats what i'm afraid off.

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, Samfisher said:

What is your use case for the new system?  If it's just gaming then a 3600 non-X would still do you good.  If you do wait for the next Ryzen, the price would still be about the same though, unless all you're doing is waiting for the 4 series to get the 3 series at a much lower price.

4th gen ryzen will probably be the first AMD chips in a LONG time that will beat Intel at gaming, though.

 

Currently they're still not there. But close.

 

4th gen seems to be an all around ass whooping

[Samfisher]

Just now, Mister Woof said:

4th gen ryzen will probably be the first AMD chips in a LONG time that will beat Intel at gaming, though.

 

Currently they're still not there. But close.

Clock for clock AMD is already ahead, they're just behind on actual clock speeds.  And that's the new stuff, not Haswell like the OP.

[Leandro B]

5 minutes ago, Samfisher said:

What is your use case for the new system?  If it's just gaming then a 3600 non-X would still do you good.  If you do wait for the next Ryzen, the price would still be about the same though, unless all you're doing is waiting for the 4 series to get the 3 series at a much lower price.

It mainly gaming, althought it can really slowdown sometimes if i'm multitasking and downloading torrent quite a lot, which really surprised me.

[Samfisher]

1 minute ago, Leandro B said:

It mainly gaming, althought it can really slowdown sometimes if i'm multitasking and downloading torrent quite a lot, which really surprised me.

Torrents read and write a lot of data, so that wouldn't surprise me.  I was fine with my 3570k for most games too, but wanted to have a system that wasn't so CPU bottlenecked in games like Witcher 3, GTA V, Skyrim etc so I took the plunge.  Didn't hurt there were retailers doing CPU + Mobo combos for a decent chunk cheaper than buying them individually.

[Mister Woof]

5 minutes ago, Samfisher said:

Clock for clock AMD is already ahead, they're just behind on actual clock speeds.  And that's the new stuff, not Haswell like the OP.

They're behind in latency, too, which explains why even though single threaded performance is equal between 3000 and highly clocked Intel chips, the 3000s are slightly behind in GPU unlimited gaming scenarios.

 

4th gen appears to be fixing this latency issue on top of more IPC, so it will be pretty much a smack down for Intel.

 

Were it me, with this known on the horizon and my current system was still "good enough", I'd wait for the most noticeable gains.

[Samfisher]

Just now, Mister Woof said:

They're behind in latency, too, which explains why even though single threaded performance is equal between 3000 and highly clocked Intel chips, the 3000s are slightly behind in GPU unlimited gaming scenarios.

 

4ty gen appears to be fixing this latency issue on top of more IPC.

 

Were it me, with this known on the horizon and my current system was still "good enough", I'd wait for the most noticeable gains.

Oh definitely.  Latency alone would have made AMD quite a bit ahead of Intel at this point.  But I could afford it, and I don't think I would've made it through the year on my 3570k which I expect to struggle mightily with Cyberpunk 2077, plus I emulate android a lot for mobile games.  It's nice being able to run everything and still stream at reasonably high settings with no issues.

[Leandro B]

6 minutes ago, Samfisher said:

Torrents read and write a lot of data, so that wouldn't surprise me.  I was fine with my 3570k for most games too, but wanted to have a system that wasn't so CPU bottlenecked in games like Witcher 3, GTA V, Skyrim etc so I took the plunge.  Didn't hurt there were retailers doing CPU + Mobo combos for a decent chunk cheaper than buying them individually.

I'm really looking forward Cyberpunk 2077... I wonder how much my GTX 1080 will be screaming with a new CPU.

[Samfisher]

Just now, Leandro B said:

I'm really looking forward Cyberpunk 2077... I wonder how much my GTX 1080 will be screaming with a new CPU.

I doubt my 1070 would be enough for more than 60fps as it is, it barely does Witcher 3 at 60 fps 1440p with a decent amount of texture and graphic mods.

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Leandro B said:

I'm really looking forward Cyberpunk 2077... I wonder how much my GTX 1080 will be screaming with a new CPU.

That game will probably max out a 1080 at 1080p high. CPU might be an issue, but if it's anything like Witcher 3 then GPU might be more beneficial.

[Ryan419]

So I don't think they will go below 7 nm tech. Might add more pci e lanes to support duel 16x pci e and or give higher boost speeds to the next gen. But could be wrong!!!

could have faster single core speed than Intel and make amd the fastest cpu's on the market hard to say really 

 

I bought 2nd gen system few months before 3rd gen came out and was a big bump in tech but if you choose to build now I would go with this setup if you want to go lowest cost with Zero bottle necks in your system the ram you picked would have bottled necked your cpu so unless its free..... The m.2 ssd is one of the top fastest benched m.2 drives 

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[cesh me inside b0z]

Not much point as already stated,4790k is still a good CPU.

[dave6018]

i went from a 4790k paired with a gtx1080 to ryzen 3600 and i would personally say its worth it, but the 4790k is a great cpu.