Advice on Motherboard for AMD Ryzen 5 3600X

[KoreyCreative]

Current computer parts before i go into detail on what i do, i bet someone will guess after reading the part list. (Parts with "will keep" are parts i'm keeping for this build).

 

• OS Windows 10 64 Pro
• CPU (2) Dual Xeon 2670s
• Motherboard - Asrock ep2c602
• RAM - Samsung 8GB 1366 DDR3 REG ECC (8 Sticks)
• PSU - Seasonic XP2 660 (will keep)
• Samsung 840 Evo (Holds Windows and VST plugins)
• HDD - 2 TB Seegate - Samples (will keep)
• HDD - 3 Tb Seagate - Samples & Installers (will keep)
• GPU - GTX EVGA 1070 OC MEM (will keep)

Other hardware you might not care about

• Soundcard - RME HDSP 9652 (hmm)
• External DAC FiiO e03k
• Headphone Amp - FiiO Eo9K (will keep)
• Headphones - AKG K702 (will keep)
• Studio One 4.5
• FL Studio 20 (Zgame video program)
• Yamaha DGX 520
• M-Audio 24 controller
• Mackies MR-8 x2 (i never use these)
• Monitor PB278Q (2014 one with VA panel)
   

UPDATE: Thanks for the amazing helpful tips from all of you peeps.

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If i go with Gen 4.0 PCIE, would that make it so i can use more M.2 or PCIE 3.0 devices? For example if i use a m.2 to pcie slot x2, doesn't that take away from what my GPU can use? Like my CPU (AMD Ryzen 5 3600) has 20 lanes. The more m.2 drives i try to connect eat that up?

If i overclock with 3600 RAM with great VRMs, how fast should i expect? After all the videos for overclocks, should i just use the auto OC?

Should i focus on buying a cheaper motherboard and RAM and use that extra money for more towards more SSDs? It would make my life amazing easy with a 2TB SSD NVME. 
 

 

[boggy77]

X570 boards support pcie 4. They are the only ones. Good x570 boards have 2 m.2 slots that won't interfere with the other sata slots. Even if they do, you'll still have plenty of sata slots you can use. 

You can overclock both x and non-x variants. The only difference between them is the cooler and a slight stock overclock. If you plan on getting a separate cooler anyway, there are 0 reasons to get the 3600x.

3000 series ryzen likes fast ram and the sweetspot is 3600MHz. As important as the speed, are timings. Try to find 3600 c16 kits, it makes a difference. To get them to run at the right speed, you need to enable xmp in bios.

Now, to the motherboards, from cheap to expensive, but all good:

Asus tuf x570 gaming plus

Gigabyte x570 aorus pro/master

Asus x570 strix boards

 

 

[KoreyCreative]

10 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

X570 boards support pcie 4. They are the only ones. Good x570 boards have 2 m.2 slots that won't interfere with the other sata slots. Even if they do, you'll still have plenty of sata slots you can use. 

You can overclock both x and non-x variants. The only difference between them is the cooler and a slight stock overclock. If you plan on getting a separate cooler anyway, there are 0 reasons to get the 3600x.

3000 series ryzen likes fast ram and the sweetspot is 3600MHz. As important as the speed, are timings. Try to find 3600 c16 kits, it makes a difference. To get them to run at the right speed, you need to enable xmp in bios.

Now, to the motherboards, from cheap to expensive, but all good:

Asus tuf x570 gaming plus

Gigabyte x570 aorus pro/master

Asus x570 strix boards

 

 

That's confusing, because i've been watching people use PCIE gen 4 on the B450 Mbs? 

The overclock think is nice, saves me some money for the CPU, thanks!

3600 c16 kits i'll look for it, thanks. Now i hear samsung is getting ready to stop making some chip for memory. Something called b-chip, should i be looking for something with b-chip in it?

[SupaKomputa]

In some motherboard PCI-E 4 can be enabled because the controller is inside the cpu, in newer bios it should be disabled because AMD doesn't like it, so better stick to x570.

[KoreyCreative]

29 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

In some motherboard PCI-E 4 can be enabled because the controller is inside the cpu, in newer bios it should be disabled because AMD doesn't like it, so better stick to x570.

Ya i'm checking Micro center now, i have one close to me, seems i can save a bit from going there with buying all of this.

[boggy77]

2 hours ago, Popa2caps said:

That's confusing, because i've been watching people use PCIE gen 4 on the B450 Mbs? 

The overclock think is nice, saves me some money for the CPU, thanks!

3600 c16 kits i'll look for it, thanks. Now i hear samsung is getting ready to stop making some chip for memory. Something called b-chip, should i be looking for something with b-chip in it?

Don't worry about samsung b-die. It was more relevat to 2000 gen ryzen. 3000 works with everything

[KoreyCreative]

9 hours ago, boggy77 said:

Don't worry about samsung b-die. It was more relevat to 2000 gen ryzen. 3000 works with everything

I'm checking out the boards you listed, but i'm passing up the gigabyte ones, their reviews have massive 1 stars on that board from them. Also seems most of the open box items at micro center are gigabyte haha. Is MSi not good for this amd chip?

[boggy77]

3 minutes ago, Popa2caps said:

I'm checking out the boards you listed, but i'm passing up the gigabyte ones, their reviews have massive 1 stars on that board from them. Also seems most of the open box items at micro center are gigabyte haha. Is MSi not good for this amd chip?

Msi are good on b450. On x570 it's only the very expensive ones that are good. Check out the tier list below.

 

[Jurrunio]

X470 and B450 lost PCIe 4.0 because a board vendor cant get it to work on their boards, got mad and AMD decided that it's only fair if everyone can't do it.

 

X570 boards doesnt just have PCIe 4.0, but also larger bandwidth from the chipset (double from X470 and B450 I think). In other words, you can cram more SSDs through the chipset without losing speed. If you have use for that (idk how large your audio files are), X570 has the advantage.

 

Dont need X for overclocking support, there isnt much for the core anyway. X is faster, but only a little.

 

13 hours ago, Popa2caps said:

Like if someone can also tell me what i would expect from 2000 to 3200 speeds that would help as well.

I dont know how I/O heavy your work is, but 3000MHz is cheap so at least get those.

[KoreyCreative]

18 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

X470 and B450 lost PCIe 4.0 because a board vendor cant get it to work on their boards, got mad and AMD decided that it's only fair if everyone can't do it.

 

X570 boards doesnt just have PCIe 4.0, but also larger bandwidth from the chipset (double from X470 and B450 I think). In other words, you can cram more SSDs through the chipset without losing speed. If you have use for that (idk how large your audio files are), X570 has the advantage.

 

Dont need X for overclocking support, there isnt much for the core anyway. X is faster, but only a little.

 

I dont know how I/O heavy your work is, but 3000MHz is cheap so at least get those.

My samples, i have about 4tb or 5tb

What do you mean I/0 heavy your work is? If i use faster RAM does inputs and outputs run faster?

A basic workflow is, Studio One 4 loaded with loopcloud on the second screen. In the project i'm running anywhere from 20 to 30 Fab filter pro q3 at once in linear phase mode. Plus 10 or more limiters have that is the basic run of a project. I would guess it's mostly cpu speeds, but i also have templates in kontact that can load up to 62 GBs in my RAM (takes about 14 mins to do that).

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Popa2caps said:

What do you mean I/0 heavy your work is? If i use faster RAM does inputs and outputs run faster?

Depends on whether the input and output goes through the RAM a lot or just RAM to SSD. You'll see some benefits regardless, and with your budget it shouldnt cost you dearly to upgrade from 3000MHz to 3600MHz (32GB).

[KoreyCreative]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Depends on whether the input and output goes through the RAM a lot or just RAM to SSD. You'll see some benefits regardless, and with your budget it shouldnt cost you dearly to upgrade from 3000MHz to 3600MHz (32GB).

yah i found this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Dn97YJ/gskill-sniper-x-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c19d-32gsxkb

[Jurrunio]

Just now, Popa2caps said:

yah i found this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Dn97YJ/gskill-sniper-x-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c19d-32gsxkb

that timing is terrible though

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

[KoreyCreative]

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

that timing is terrible though

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

change the part, thanks.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$189.99 @ Walmart
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$134.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung 840 EVO 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	Purchased For $0.00
Storage	Western Digital WD Blue 500 GB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive	Purchased For $0.00
Storage	Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	Purchased For $0.00
Storage	Seagate Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	Purchased For $0.00
Video Card	EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB ACX 3.0 Video Card	Purchased For $200.00
Monitor	Asus PB278Q 27.0" 2560x1440 60 Hz Monitor	Purchased For $0.00
Headphones	AKG K702 Headphones	$0.00
Custom	Mackie MR-8	Purchased
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$524.98
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-26 20:12 EST-0500

 

[LienusLateTips]

Something like the X570 TUF Gaming Plus would likely be good for your usecase. Minimal RGB (just one accent that can be disabled), and pretty good VRMs at it's price.

[KoreyCreative]

27 minutes ago, LienusLateTips said:

Something like the X570 TUF Gaming Plus would likely be good for your usecase. Minimal RGB (just one accent that can be disabled), and pretty good VRMs at it's price.

I wonder if i should hold off on gen 4 pcie. Because it seems i'll be buying all the parts from Micro center as it saves a ton, it wouldn't be hard to rerturn as well at a later date if something new releases.

Also here is the link for motherboard i'm looking at from micro center LINK. I've been looking at the open box items as it saves a bit, plus still everything has the warranty ++. For me in/out ports don't matter that much in terms of USB.

Can you even get a really good overclocking with the 3600 or am i chasing pipe dreams? Like would i be better off just using the stock OC mode that comes with the CPU and using a older board so i can purchase more ssd drives?

I'm not throwing away all the tips you'll have told me, i have saved the motherboards so far, just looking at this as best i can, because most times my DAW computers sit with little to no change after made, over added RAM or SSD/HDD.
 

[Jurrunio]

58 minutes ago, Popa2caps said:

Also here is the link for motherboard i'm looking at from micro center LINK

Dont know the store you're buying from tho, if you dont want to disclose that just take a screenshot of the list

 

But I'd spend more on the board anyway when you're aiming to make it basically Ryzen 9 ready, or at least capable without throwing things out

[KoreyCreative]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Dont know the store you're buying from tho, if you dont want to disclose that just take a screenshot of the list

 

But I'd spend more on the board anyway when you're aiming to make it basically Ryzen 9 ready, or at least capable without throwing things out

You never been to a Micro Center? The link is the LINK? Did i mess up the link?
https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&prt=clearance&N=4294966996+4294818892&myStore=true

O i wouldn't throw away computer devices. If i purchase from Micro Center you can pay for an extended warranty, and return the hardware and upgrade, well kind of.

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Popa2caps said:

You never been to a Micro Center? The link is the LINK? Did i mess up the link?
https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&prt=clearance&N=4294966996+4294818892&myStore=true

Try use the link in incognitio mode so you'll see what I'm seeing

 

Or maybe because I'm on my phone

[KoreyCreative]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Try use the link in incognitio mode so you'll see what I'm seeing

 

Or maybe because I'm on my phone

o i see what is going on. You need to select the store where i'm buying from. my bad. just select Mo - brentwood

[Jurrunio]

25 minutes ago, Popa2caps said:

o i see what is going on. You need to select the store where i'm buying from. my bad. just select Mo - brentwood

Only the Asus Pro WS can handle the 3950X easily, the Asrock X570 Steel Legend is fine with the 3900X, X470-F can on paper work well with 3900X as well but no PCIe 4 support and needs older CPU to update the BIOS. Others just arent worthy.

[KoreyCreative]

59 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Only the Asus Pro WS can handle the 3950X easily, the Asrock X570 Steel Legend is fine with the 3900X, X470-F can on paper work well with 3900X as well but no PCIe 4 support and needs older CPU to update the BIOS. Others just arent worthy.

btw, how much of a difference would i notice from using 2200 to 3200 ram speeds with this cpu?

[Jurrunio]

14 minutes ago, Popa2caps said:

btw, how much of a difference would i notice from using 2200 to 3200 ram speeds with this cpu?

https://www.techspot.com/review/1891-ryzen-memory-performance-scaling/

 

for work it's about 5% average, but in games the difference is much greater.

[KoreyCreative]

9 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

https://www.techspot.com/review/1891-ryzen-memory-performance-scaling/

 

for work it's about 5% average, but in games the difference is much greater.

 

As seen in our tests, keep in mind that you’re going to be GPU bound in most instances when gaming anyway as these 3rd-gen Ryzen processors are very fast even with loose DDR4 memory.

Bottom line, you can grab a cheap for $70 and still get close enough to maximum gaming performance out of even a 3900X + RTX 2080 Ti configuration.
Ryzen doesn’t require premium memory to perform at its best and for those buying a Ryzen 5 model we’d actually strongly suggest avoiding spending money on expensive memory, just get the cheap stuff and tune it up if you’re getting a little too CPU bound.
So, i can stick to 3000 or so RAM and just tune it myself?

[Jurrunio]

12 minutes ago, Popa2caps said:

So, i can stick to 3000 or so RAM and just tune it myself?

you could, even tho youre usually not going very far