Advice on Motherboard for AMD Ryzen 5 3600X

[KoreyCreative]

9 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

you could, even tho youre usually not going very far

Oh i see. Well still i would expect a crazy difference between my current RAM and this new computer right? even at 3000mz? Current RAM i think is at 1333 and CPU is 2.6Ghz 3.2 turbo (but only couple cores?).

At the sametime i'm looking at DDR4, i'm watching on two things. I hear there might be a new chipset rollout for the am4. I really wish it would release like now. I think this new one doesn't use GEN 4 PCIE though.

Second, every motherboard everyone says i should look at, i go to the companies website and i look at the software. I'm looking for what it ships with and has access to. Couple weeks ago i helped someone build a 3900x with an asus rog board. I really disike asus armor or whatever it's called.

Plus while my computer is for music, i don't like hardware that needs always running software (you got to keep latency down, it does matter). REVO uninstaller is my friend.

Thanks for all the help!

[Jurrunio]

12 minutes ago, Popa2caps said:

Oh i see. Well still i would expect a crazy difference between my current RAM and this new computer right? even at 3000mz? Current RAM i think is at 1333 and CPU is 2.6Ghz 3.2 turbo (but only couple cores?).

You'll get a big difference even if you run 2133MHz RAM with Ryzen, it's just a much better CPU for your work from the start

 

12 minutes ago, Popa2caps said:

At the sametime i'm looking at DDR4, i'm watching on two things. I hear there might be a new chipset rollout for the am4. I really wish it would release like now. I think this new one doesn't use GEN 4 PCIE though.

B550? I suppose they'll cut back on chipset performance, but keep PCIe 4.0 on the top PCIe x16 slot and M.2 slot just because it's really good for marketing Ryzen as a whole

[KoreyCreative]

 

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

you could, even tho youre usually not going very far

I know this motherboard is not the Gen 4 spec, but look at these prices
https://imgur.com/KQ6fvLX

$246 (without RAm) is kind of hard to pass up. That's with TAX!

Added 3 year warranty, so i can walk in and replace the items at no extra cost. Price now $301.00 Will save when i go and change the CPU to a 3900x or something. Plus i can change the board to whatever i want if i don't like this one.

I think most people don't know that at Micro Center. Changing parts is very easy.

[Jurrunio]

19 minutes ago, Popa2caps said:

 

I know this motherboard is not the Gen 4 spec, but look at these prices
https://imgur.com/KQ6fvLX

$246 (without RAm) is kind of hard to pass up. That's with TAX!

If you're talking about cheap boards that are hopeless with a Ryzen 9, might as well get the MSI B450M Gaming Plus. Half the memory slot, but can at least run a Ryzen 7 while I wont let the Pro4 touch even the Ryzen 7s.

[KoreyCreative]

10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

If you're talking about cheap boards that are hopeless with a Ryzen 9, might as well get the MSI B450M Gaming Plus. Half the memory slot, but can at least run a Ryzen 7 while I wont let the Pro4 touch even the Ryzen 7s.

This motherboard won't be used with a ryzen 9 at anytime. What i'm doing is buying these cheap parts and buying the extended warranty at the same time from Micro Center. What that lets me do is walk in one day and change out the parts for no out of pocket cost to me.

See, i use my current computer for my job. i need it to run, like now. It only takes about 40 mins to get all my software installed, i'm fast at doing samples and VSTi locations now.

Just picking up the 3600X for $151 and the motherboard for $71.00. With tax comes to about $246 with extended warranty it's $301 something. That means anytime in 3 years i can walk in and say, yah i want to change my stuff. 

I still need to add RAM though and i could get an extra 1 tb SSD for samples. They have a samsung qvo? evo 1tb on their main page for $89, might get that to hold me over over a NVME drive not sure.

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, Popa2caps said:

change out the parts for no out of pocket cost to me.

so you buy a $70 today and tmr they'll get you take a $300 board without extra cost?

[KoreyCreative]

10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

so you buy a $70 today and tmr they'll get you take a $300 board without extra cost?

no, sorry about that. It's the price you paid during checkout for each item (without tax?) An example is, most just return before their end date because there is no way for the store to replace the same item. So $400 just stays $400. You only lose the money you spent on the warranty.

 

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Popa2caps said:

no, sorry about that. It's te priced you paid during checkout for each item (without tax?)

so if you want a $300 board after buying a $70 say, a month ago. How much do you pay?

[KoreyCreative]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

so if you want a $300 board after buying a $70 say, a month ago. How much do you pay?

$230

[KoreyCreative]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

so if you want a $300 board after buying a $70 say, a month ago. How much do you pay?

I'm not sure if you ever seen a micro center, but it's a walk in make your own computer store. Like you walk around with a cart made to build a computer. You really can open everything there and build it in the store.

[KoreyCreative]

If anyone knows anyone in PA St. Davids area looking for an 3700X for $209 before tax, go to Micro Center (open box)
https://imgur.com/cSxnriD

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, Popa2caps said:

I'm not sure if you ever seen a micro center, but it's a walk in make your own computer store. Like you walk around with a cart made to build a computer. You really can open everything there and build it in the store.

Never been to one, I usually buy stuff too old for Microcenter to sell

 

4 minutes ago, Popa2caps said:

$230

ok so you're basically renting the board for whatever the warranty costs, while the price of the board is more like a deposit? I'd rather turn the extended warranty money into a better board from day 1 then. You'll spend the same money eventually when you swap to another board that's just as cheap as the previous one at the end of the warranty's period.

[KoreyCreative]

52 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Never been to one, I usually buy stuff too old for Microcenter to sell

 

ok so you're basically renting the board for whatever the warranty costs, while the price of the board is more like a deposit? I'd rather turn the extended warranty money into a better board from day 1 then. You'll spend the same money eventually when you swap to another board that's just as cheap as the previous one at the end of the warranty's period.

 

You looking for a
Dual Xeon 2670 with noctua nh-u14s heatsinks x2
Asrock asrock ep2c602
 8 x 8 DDR3 by chance? lol


Well, no and yes. Just think of it this way. I'm only paying $71 for the motherboard. $6 was for the warranty. So it's $77 for the motherboard with 3 years of in-store warranty. What that means. I can walk in no box for the thing and get it replaced. If they don't carry that product i get a giftcard in the amount i paid for it. easy

Like for example there is no way in 3 years the ryzen 5 3600x i'm buying is worth the $151 plus 3 year $40 warranty at that date. So i can walk in and get something the same price or pay more and pay the extra cost.

I'm not saying you get everything back. i don't know if you get tax, i just dont' know. Also you lose the warranty cost. I'm not sure if you replace something under the time, does it extend. I just don't know. Back in the day i was doing the intel edge program thing using the massive discounts there, so been away from sometime.

Also to note, i'm sure you gain more by doing this as your hardware is less than what you paid for it down the road. Like if you purchase $800 now and spend $100 on extra warranties, i'm sure you still make out better after 3 years that is.

I hope i didn't confuse you, after looking at my wall of text hmmm

https://www.microcenter.com/site/customer-support/protection-plans/replacement-protection-plans.aspx

[Jurrunio]

9 hours ago, Popa2caps said:

Well, no and yes. Just think of it this way. I'm only paying $71 for the motherboard. $6 was for the warranty. So it's $77 for the motherboard with 3 years of in-store warranty. What that means. I can walk in no box for the thing and get it replaced. If they don't carry that product i get a giftcard in the amount i paid for it. easy

What I dont know is when you go in for a swap 3 years later say, how do they value the trade-in item. As the same as what they're now selling the CPU/board for? Or what you paid for a long time ago? If they use the price it carries now (which I think makes no sense, they'll go bankrupt like this) then sure, go ahead with your plan (Pro4 needs an older CPU for the BIOS update though), but if products on your hand also depriciate then it's not worthwhile.

[trevb0t]

14 hours ago, Popa2caps said:

btw, how much of a difference would i notice from using 2200 to 3200 ram speeds with this cpu?

14 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

https://www.techspot.com/review/1891-ryzen-memory-performance-scaling/

 

for work it's about 5% average, but in games the difference is much greater.

Anthony basically found that the difference can be made negligible when tightening the way the IF communicates. Like between 2400mhz and 4000mhz they were able to get pretty much the same performance, even in gameplay. Though it's a small sample size that I'd like to see further testing results on, and I don't actually know how feasible it is or what that process is like.

[Jurrunio]

14 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

2400mhz and 4000mhz

one's really low frequency, one's too high and needs to decouple memory speed from FCLK. Poor examples.

 

Besides they didnt compare 3200 CL16 with 2133 lowest timings, both FCLK at 1900 directly.

[trevb0t]

39 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

one's really low frequency, one's too high and needs to decouple memory speed from FCLK. Poor examples.

 

Besides they didnt compare 3200 CL16 with 2133 lowest timings, both FCLK at 1900 directly.

I mean I get that the test environment isn't perfect (though they did sample lots of frequencies); just pointing out that with the altering of the IF relationship it means less and less.

 

If I were in the market, I'd look at a low cost 3200mhz with CL16 and overclock it if I so desired.

[KoreyCreative]

3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

What I dont know is when you go in for a swap 3 years later say, how do they value the trade-in item. As the same as what they're now selling the CPU/board for? Or what you paid for a long time ago? If they use the price it carries now (which I think makes no sense, they'll go bankrupt like this) then sure, go ahead with your plan (Pro4 needs an older CPU for the BIOS update though), but if products on your hand also depriciate then it's not worthwhile.

O ya, they value the parts of what you paid. If they can't replace it you get a gift card for the store. You can't put a warranty on anything over $500 at once. So what i did is place it one each items. Like RAM, M.2, Motherboard. Each item under $100 was no more than $10 for the extra 3 years. My CPU though was $40 for that, i guess because it was over $100.

I walked into the store today. Got my motherboard for $71 + $6 Inland M.2 for $36 256 Gb ( i really needed something to replace the 840 evo ssd) and CPU Ryzen 3600X for $151. If they would have had the Ryzen 3700X open box like they do in PA store for $208, i would have got that. Also got 32 Gb of Ribjaw RAM 3200 Mhz for $115.

Total for everything (plus tax) was $475. I'm happy with my purchase. I don't have time to boot it up yet as i'm still on my xeon computer and no extra power supply. I will note i got a a outer worlds or borderlands 3, i'll sell that on Ebay for a quick $26 or so. Also have a 3 month game pass if anyone wants it (no charge) for the game pass.

Once i get my work done for my music website before 2pm sat. I'll have to boot this up and give it a go. I do hope the bios already has the update, or i'll have to comeup with a way to flash it. Thanks again all for the help!

 

[KoreyCreative]

2 hours ago, trevb0t said:

I mean I get that the test environment isn't perfect (though they did sample lots of frequencies); just pointing out that with the altering of the IF relationship it means less and less.

 

If I were in the market, I'd look at a low cost 3200mhz with CL16 and overclock it if I so desired.

Thanks, yah i ended up getting Ripjaw 3200Mhz as it was only $115 instore (all black one). I'll learn the ways to overclock soon, never had an AMD CPU before will be fun. I hope it just makes my everyday in music software much faster.

I'm glad with the upgrade. Next job is to start moving all these samples to new SSds and than what i need the most to M.2 NVMes. It sucks losing 3Tb of data on old drives, i've had it happen within a year or so.

I'll make a new post once i;ve sold the xeon parts. If i think about it, those parts should get close to what i paid for this.