OC troubleshoot.

[Sheitmaster]

System specifications:
MOBO Asus x470 gaming f (newest bios as to this date)
CPU R5 3600 (oc all core 4.2 with 1.375v (infinityfabric set to 1600mhz)
RAM  2x8 corsair lpx 2666 cl16 @ 3200mhz @ 1.415v (CMK16GX4M2A2666C16) (samsung)
BOOT 256gb nvme ssd.
w10 pro.

Issue:
Under load the system has microstutter where any sound that is bein played will repeat in an anoying buzz until the system catches up again.
it lasts for half a second some times, sometimes much shorter.
I have just upgraded my system from a r5 1500x oc to 3.8ghz and ram was oc to 3000mhz due to infinity fabric limitations.
When i used the 1500x i had these stutters very often, like several times over a few hours.
It's less with my new cpu and higher ram clocks, but it's still here, so something isn't stable.

Question:
What do you think causes it?
What is the max safe voltage of these ram sticks?
 

[Bombastinator]

31 minutes ago, Sheitmaster said:

System specifications:
MOBO Asus x470 gaming f (newest bios as to this date)
CPU R5 3600 (oc all core 4.2 with 1.375v (infinityfabric set to 1600mhz)
RAM  2x8 corsair lpx 2666 cl16 @ 3200mhz @ 1.415v (CMK16GX4M2A2666C16) (samsung)
BOOT 256gb nvme ssd.
w10 pro.

Issue:
Under load the system has microstutter where any sound that is bein played will repeat in an anoying buzz until the system catches up again.
it lasts for half a second some times, sometimes much shorter.
I have just upgraded my system from a r5 1500x oc to 3.8ghz and ram was oc to 3000mhz due to infinity fabric limitations.
When i used the 1500x i had these stutters very often, like several times over a few hours.
It's less with my new cpu and higher ram clocks, but it's still here, so something isn't stable.

Question:
What do you think causes it?
What is the max safe voltage of these ram sticks?
 

All I can say is I don’t normally associate such stutters with OC.

[nick name]

If you wanna add more voltage to your RAM then going up to 1.45V I don't see being a problem.  If low voltage is the culprit then I'd imagine you wouldn't need much more voltage than you're running now.  

 

Are there any new available drivers?  What audio device are you using?  

 

What hardware was carried over from the old build?

 

And which Windows version are you on?

[Sheitmaster]

35 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

All I can say is I don’t normally associate such stutters with OC.

What DO you associate it with?

 

 

26 minutes ago, nick name said:

If you wanna add more voltage to your RAM then going up to 1.45V I don't see being a problem.  If low voltage is the culprit then I'd imagine you wouldn't need much more voltage than you're running now.  

 

Are there any new available drivers?  What audio device are you using?  

 

What hardware was carried over from the old build?

 

And which Windows version are you on?

Right, i've tried increasing it from 1.38 ish to 1.415 before you answered me, i'll have to give it time, but if 1.45 is normally fine for ddr4 then i will test with current voltage while i try modded minecraft, that's a resource hog that triggers it.

I use driverbooster once a week, i've struggled with this for a long time, so i allways keep drivers up to date.
Everything carried over, but i also had this issue on another motherboard from gigabyte; ab350 something.

Windows version 1909 (18363.535)

I have used latency-mon to find the culprit of these issues for over a year, and it allways report random drivers, some times it say network driver, sometimes audio driver, sometimes VGA driver, and thus i have also tried ever driver i could find for these without success.
The issue is much less with new CPU and new ramspeed and voltage, so going by your estimates, i can try a bit more if my current voltage still gives stuttering.
 

[nick name]

You listed Samsung next to your RAM.  Which chips are they?  Samsung b-die can safely go up to 1.5V.  You won't need that much at your speed, but it may mean more overclocking headroom.  

[nick name]

Oh and are you using on-board audio or from the graphics card?

[Sheitmaster]

Sorry, i forgot to answer that, I'm using onboard realtech stuff, also use the realtech driver because it has a nice eq.
I think it is B-die, i have a vague recollection  of using some software to look it up once.
I also have the aurasync software running, but the stuttering was present before i installed it after last reinstall.
 

[ImAyaanKhan]

25 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

All I can say is I don’t normally associate such stutters with OC.

I do, as any time I OC a cpu this happens until I play with the settings a bit more

[ImAyaanKhan]

Just now, Sheitmaster said:

Sorry, i forgot to answer that, I'm using onboard realtech stuff, also use the realtech driver because it has a nice eq.
I think it is B-die, i have a vague recollection  of using some software to look it up once.
I also have the aurasync software running, but the stuttering was present before i installed it after last reinstall.
 

Please quote the person you are replying to next time

 

 

@nick name This is what he said

[Bombastinator]

3 minutes ago, ImAyaanKhan said:

I do, as any time I OC a cpu this happens until I play with the settings a bit more

Huh.  With me it was always instant crash  problems or works perfectly till a sudden crash a week later.  

[ImAyaanKhan]

Just now, Bombastinator said:

Huh.  With me it was always instant crash  problems or works perfectly till a sudden crash a week later.  

Wierd. I work with low end and mid range parts so that might be why

[Haro]

2 hours ago, Sheitmaster said:

System specifications:
MOBO Asus x470 gaming f (newest bios as to this date)
CPU R5 3600 (oc all core 4.2 with 1.375v (infinityfabric set to 1600mhz)
RAM  2x8 corsair lpx 2666 cl16 @ 3200mhz @ 1.415v (CMK16GX4M2A2666C16) (samsung)
BOOT 256gb nvme ssd.
w10 pro.

Issue:
Under load the system has microstutter where any sound that is bein played will repeat in an anoying buzz until the system catches up again.
it lasts for half a second some times, sometimes much shorter.
I have just upgraded my system from a r5 1500x oc to 3.8ghz and ram was oc to 3000mhz due to infinity fabric limitations.
When i used the 1500x i had these stutters very often, like several times over a few hours.
It's less with my new cpu and higher ram clocks, but it's still here, so something isn't stable.

Question:
What do you think causes it?
What is the max safe voltage of these ram sticks?
 

whats your temps also what software did you use to OC 

[Bombastinator]

2 hours ago, ImAyaanKhan said:

Wierd. I work with low end and mid range parts so that might be why

I work mostly with very out of date stuff.

[Sheitmaster]

2 hours ago, TofuHaroto said:

whats your temps also what software did you use to OC 

My temps are between 40 and 50C during gaming loads, bios OC. i havent ran any benchmarks yet, only a 15m memtest to see if the 3200mhz ram oc was working at all.

[ImAyaanKhan]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

I work mostly with very out of date stuff.

Huh that's wierd. Don't the old CPUs have crazy OC rates like +1GHz through changing a mobo jumper?

[Bombastinator]

1 hour ago, ImAyaanKhan said:

Huh that's wierd. Don't the old CPUs have crazy OC rates like +1GHz through changing a mobo jumper?

I can only report what happened to me.

[Haro]

7 hours ago, Sheitmaster said:

My temps are between 40 and 50C during gaming loads, bios OC. i havent ran any benchmarks yet, only a 15m memtest to see if the 3200mhz ram oc was working at all.

sorry if i may have missed this but if you have XMP it van be very unstable sometimes so maybe try turning that off and  see what you'll get 

 

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, TofuHaroto said:

sorry if i may have missed this but if you have XMP it van be very unstable sometimes so maybe try turning that off and  see what you'll get 

 

Turning off xmp will drop memory speed drastically iirc.  It is possible to hand overclock memory without xmp, but it’s a painstaking and time consuming process quite often.

[Haro]

4 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Turning off xmp will drop memory speed drastically iirc.  It is possible to hand overclock memory without xmp, but it’s a painstaking and time consuming process quite often.

i know but considering how unstable and unreliable xmp is especially with server end hardware ik this is not the case but sometimes xmp cons can heavily outweigh the pros 

[Sheitmaster]

17 hours ago, TofuHaroto said:

i know but considering how unstable and unreliable xmp is especially with server end hardware ik this is not the case but sometimes xmp cons can heavily outweigh the pros 

Not running xmp, i'm only setting my ram speed and voltage, no timing changes at all.
I havent had any stutters while gaming today, but just watching youtube i had two consecutive stutters that sounded like meep moop and then it's back to normal for a long time.
This really boggles my mind!
Well, when in doubt, add more voltage.
Edit
Also, does anyone know if i should increase Vsoc when overclocking the infinity fabric on zen2?

[Sheitmaster]

Problem found.
It was my Corsair LPX samsung ram that caused the issue.
Replaced it with 3200Mhz variant instead of the 2666Mhz i had, problem went away.
Kinda strange, as the ram i had was clocked to the same speed, just with more voltage and stable in all other manners.
Must have been causing some process interupts.

[Beerzerker]

You had the 2666 sticks on the edge of stability, that's why they were acting out.
No so strange when you consider there is a reason why the higher rated sticks work fine at 3200 and the 2666's didn't so well.

 

Simply put, you found the limit of those sticks and it showed. Just know there is no guarantee any set can reach any speed beyond what it's originally spec'ed for and you had those sticks singing for what they were.
Good thing is you did figure it out - Problem solved.

[Sheitmaster]

On 2/6/2020 at 7:33 PM, Beerzerker said:

You had the 2666 sticks on the edge of stability, that's why they were acting out.
No so strange when you consider there is a reason why the higher rated sticks work fine at 3200 and the 2666's didn't so well.

 

Simply put, you found the limit of those sticks and it showed. Just know there is no guarantee any set can reach any speed beyond what it's originally spec'ed for and you had those sticks singing for what they were.
Good thing is you did figure it out - Problem solved.

I do not think this is the case.
They could clock to 3600 with the same result, and if i clocked them down to original speed or all the way down to ddr4 standard spec, they still acted the same.
There was something actually wrong with these sticks from day one, clocking them didn't make a difference on the system interupts, only fps in games.

The new sticks does not throw interupts left and right that lasts this long, so problem solved anyway.

[Sheitmaster]

Issue is back, new ram seemd to help a few days, then it's back to whatever is going on here.
I've replaced everything but the GPU by now, so my vega 56 may be the culprit, unless it's my logitech keyboard or connected monitors wich should not have an impact tbh.. don't see how they could.
The weird thing is, it does not do this in windows 7.