Is the US Goverment funding Activison-Blizzard?

[amdorintel]

Its not the companies problem that they are taking advantage of loop holes in the system. Its common sense to pay as little taxes as you can whether that be business or personal. If people have a moral problem with that then they can pay more in taxes to make up the difference but that will never happen.

 

Why doesn't the government change the loop holes? Answer is because the politicians are paid off.

 

 

 

Just now, Vitamanic said:

I think people get stuck on targeting the company instead of the tax system when they get angry about this stuff.

 

It's not Activision's fault, it's the system's fault. Activision has an obligation to their shareholders as a publicly traded company to save as much money as possible within the bounds of law. They're doing exactly that.

 

This is a tax law problem, not an Activision problem. More specifically, this is a GOP lobbying issue.

 

 

 

[Founders]

1 hour ago, wasab said:

Children in a Jewish family are much more likely to behave and act like Jews.

This is the single dumbest thing I've read on this forum to date, thank you for that. In your mind how exactly do Jews behave and act? Do they spend the day wearing funny hats pecking at change? Perhaps it was your wording but it just sounds abhorrent. 

[RonnieOP]

1 hour ago, amdorintel said:

atleast you werent in a 3rd world, things would have been totally different.

 

@JZStudios many cant work, addiction is a disease, its easy to talk about just work at mcd's/just apply yourself and many do and make it out. too many factors. medical costs, etc. now if the government was less wasteful and people had medical coverage then maybe things would be better. but government wastes money because politicians are paid off. gov't will spend money on, and lose money without caring.

 

 

 

hence, paid off politicians

 

We arent talking about a third world country though. We are talking about the US.

 

Even if everyone had free healthcare that wouldnt pull most people out of poverty.

 

Everyone likes making excuses for poor people. And yes there are alot that are not to blame due to various reasons. Theres just as many if not more that only have themselves to blame.

 

Getting tax credits isnt paying off politicians. Many small companies dont pay fed taxes either and get tax credits as well. It has nothing to do with the ceo making a million bucks or 30k. The credits are there for anyone to use of needed.

 

If i bought a tesla and solar panel for my home then i would get credits that would make it to where the government paid me.

 

Tax credits are not a bad thing. A bad thing would be no jobs and more people in poverty. The US has to be competitive with the rest of the world. Otherwise these companies will leave. 

[wasab]

1 hour ago, RonnieOP said:

"more likely" that doesnt mean they cant change it.

 

Your whole argument is basically that nobody has a choice in how they live their life.

 

My mothers a meth whore, My father accidentally killed himself after his second overdose this past year. I was able to get out. Theres literally nothing special about me. Id be willing to bet that most of the people in this country are capable of sooo much more then I am. Easily.

 

So they can do it. I know for a fact they can do it.

 

But if they choose not to....thats on them. The burden of others shouldnt be on the people who prosper for whatever reason.

I never said that. I said tax the rich and use the funds to help these poor because unlike the richest 1%, these children arent borne into a world of privilege and full of opportunities. Social mobility doesnt always come by simply pulling yourself up by the bootstrap. It is the American national ethos but historically, socio-economic hierarchy has always been structurally immobile more often than not. 

[RonnieOP]

Just now, wasab said:

I never said that. I said tax the rich and use the funds to help these poor because unlike the richest 1%, these children arent borne into a world of privilege and full of opportunities. 

But why?

 

What right does a poor person have to a rich persons money? 

 

Not all rich people were born with a silver spoon. And again...who gives a shit? If i become a millionaire i can do what i want with my money and if that means giving it all to my kids what gives anyone the right to say thats wrong? I earned the money. 

 

So basically people who work hard should be punished in order to help others they have no relationship with? They didnt hurt the person causing them not to prosper.

If i work hard in school and study 8 hours a day and get an A should the teacher lower my grade and use my credits to give a F student more credits to get a c?

If i can afford a 2080ti but you can only afford the 1050 should you be allowed to take money out of my pc budget to put in yours?

 

Rich people already pay the majority of taxes. Yet we should further raise the tax on the rich?

 

 

 

[wasab]

6 minutes ago, RonnieOP said:

But why?

 

What right does a poor person have to a rich persons money? 

 

Not all rich people were born with a silver spoon. And again...who gives a shit? If i become a millionaire i can do what i want with my money and if that means giving it all to my kids what gives anyone the right to say thats wrong? I earned the money. 

Because it boosts economy, raise living standard, and ensure economic justice? who is gonna pay for products and services if consumers do not have the money to spend? Like I said, trickle down economic doesnt work and businesses depend on vibrant consumer market to thrive. You cut taxes for the rich, you fck the poor, you fck the backbone of the workforce, you fck nation's consumers, and and in the end you fck yourselves, rich or poor. A government simply have greater multiplier effects cutting taxes for the poor as a fiscal policy than cutting taxes for the rich because rich have much higher savings rate. Money in the hands of poor actually will stimulate the economy. 

 

 

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, Vitamanic said:

I think people get stuck on targeting the company instead of the tax system when they get angry about this stuff.

 

It's not Activision's fault, it's the system's fault. Activision has an obligation to their shareholders as a publicly traded company to save as much money as possible within the bounds of law. They're doing exactly that.

 

This is a tax law problem, not an Activision problem. More specifically, this is a GOP lobbying issue.

 

 

Exactly.  two things stand out as unquestioned in this thread.  Whilst everyone was tripping over themselves to shit on blizzard for this,  they forgot to ask:

 

1. what was their actual profit?  Because tax is not calculated on income.

2. why does the Tax law permit this?  if it is truly a problem then change the laws.  I always claim everything I can on tax because the taxation law is written in such a way to encourage me to do that.  Does that make me an unethical criminal?  NO.   not for me and not for blizzard either.   

 

People also forget that tax is generally a percentage based equation.   Whilst the percentage changes depending on the scale, the reality is it is designed (and usually works) to encourage spending whilst generating tax revenue.    It is more important for companies to pay less in tax if it means they re invest that money straight into jobs and things the push the local economy.  Paying more in tax and less in local economies ends in dead economies.  Hence the saying no government ever taxed themselves out of debt.

[Flying Sausages]

U.S. Government needs to fund me! I am tired on taxes everything! Maybe they will start taxing us for breathing oxygen.

[Syaoran]

So just like any other billion dollar company?

 

Nothing new.

[JZStudios]

11 hours ago, amdorintel said:

atleast you werent in a 3rd world, things would have been totally different.

 

@JZStudios many cant work, addiction is a disease, its easy to talk about just work at mcd's/just apply yourself and many do and make it out. too many factors. medical costs, etc. now if the government was less wasteful and people had medical coverage then maybe things would be better. but government wastes money because politicians are paid off. gov't will spend money on, and lose money without caring.

 

 

 

hence, paid off politicians

 

Very rarely are people forced to become addicts. People typically turn to drugs to escape life.

Either way, it has no impact on how much people that didn't make bad decisions should be taxed. Assumingly they aren't making money, so they aren't being taxed. It's a win-win. Also, generally speaking people do better when they aren't just given handouts and have to work for a reward. It's basically scientifically proven psychology, even found in children.

 

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9 hours ago, wasab said:

I never said that. I said tax the rich and use the funds to help these poor because unlike the richest 1%, these children arent borne into a world of privilege and full of opportunities. Social mobility doesnt always come by simply pulling yourself up by the bootstrap. It is the American national ethos but historically, socio-economic hierarchy has always been structurally immobile more often than not. 

Do have any idea what happens when you just give free money to people who don't earn it? Do you realize that like 90% of the people that win the lottery go bankrupt in 3 years?

Do you know that the US government granted land to the Native Americans to do with as they please, typically turning it into casinos and then taking handouts and doing nothing but drinking, drugs, and working the casino? Meanwhile the few reservations that declined handouts and worked for their own prosperity are actually incredibly well off places? I mean, that's an actual entire community of "minorities" that do VERY well for themselves because they work for it instead of taking handouts and spending it on shit they can't afford.

Not to mention you can see people pull up to a DES (Department of Economic Security, the state wellfare) in an Escalade with 24" rims, get out, take off all their gold jewelry, and go get free shit.

Or you can go like Shaq, who went out when he got his first big paycheck and bought himself a brand new Mercedes. When he drove it home his dad looked over at it and said "...that sure is a nice car." So he went out and bought another one for his dad. Then his mom looked at it and said "...that sure is a nice car." So he bought her one too. He spent over a million dollars, which was less than he had, in a single day. And then he decided he needed someone else to tell him how to spend his money because he sure as hell can't do it right.

9 hours ago, wasab said:

ensure economic justice?

Worse words are rarely uttered. Not to mention it doesn't actually mean anything.

Edited December 20, 2019 by LogicalDrm

[wasab]

2 hours ago, JZStudios said:

Do have any idea what happens when you just give free money to people who don't earn it? Do you realize that like 90% of the people that win the lottery go bankrupt in 3 years?

Do you know that the US government granted land to the Native Americans to do with as they please, typically turning it into casinos and then taking handouts and doing nothing but drinking, drugs, and working the casino? Meanwhile the few reservations that declined handouts and worked for their own prosperity are actually incredibly well off places? I mean, that's an actual entire community of "minorities" that do VERY well for themselves because they work for it instead of taking handouts and spending it on shit they can't afford.

Not to mention you can see people pull up to a DES (Department of Economic Security, the state wellfare) in an Escalade with 24" rims, get out, take off all their gold jewelry, and go get free shit.

Or you can go like Shaq, who went out when he got his first big paycheck and bought himself a brand new Mercedes. When he drove it home his dad looked over at it and said "...that sure is a nice car." So he went out and bought another one for his dad. Then his mom looked at it and said "...that sure is a nice car." So he bought her one too. He spent over a million dollars, which was less than he had, in a single day. And then he decided he needed someone else to tell him how to spend his money because he sure as hell can't do it right.

Worse words are rarely uttered. Not to mention it doesn't actually mean anything.

Yeah? and you think cutting taxes on the rich and taking away food subsidizes from low income families like what trump is doing is a better way to go about things?

 

I always find these logic nonsensical: They do drugs, they drink, they live in squalor so take away their food subsidies and have them starve. They will then magically pull themselves out of their hole and become productive! 

 

It simply makes no sense. If anything, more resources should be allocated to get them out of their additions, alcoholism, or whatever problems they are facing.  

[rabbitanarchy14]

so why dont we cut funding to the people who are on disability that are not disabled. this to me should be a big concern to those of us who are actually disabled, not some hypochondriac that gets money for free from the government and does not earn it. 

 

i live in an area where if you are from out of country you dont pay taxes and they live better than Americans. straight bullshit. 

 

i see so many people who live on wealfare who are lazy and just do not want to work or a drug dealers. must be nice to get a hand out and be lazy on top of it.

 

and yes those people who are born with a silver spoon do get better education normally, so yes i would conclude they will make more money and better taken care of than others. if i had the same opportunities i would to, as i would feel most people would.

[LogicalDrm]

*** Locked & Moved ***

 

While I'm proud that you could keep this out of politics, the whole thing went off topic fairly quickly, and doesn't have anything to do with tech where the discussion seems to be for the most parts.