3000G GPU combo?

[vK 3 1 RON]

Hi all, I'm looking to build a ridiculously cheap, entry-level gaming rig for a friend. They won't be buying it til about March next year, if they even end up buying one. They want a tower and a monitor for £400~, taking away the £76~ for a 60Hz 1080p panel, I'd be looking at about <£330 for the actual tower. The maximum kind of game they want to play is Rainbow Six Siege at better performance than on their current laptop which is, iirc -- 720p, T-AA at 60%, everything low, and getting about 20-25 fps. Obviously it's not too much of a challenge to create something better, but I'd like your opinions on the CPU. 

 

I've been thinking of getting a 2400G /3200g, slapping it in and calling it a day. But then I remembered the 3000G launched recently. If I disable the integrated graphics and pickup something like a 750 ti 4GB model for £68, this could probably do pretty well at siege 1080p with low-medium settings. 

 

At least I thought it might, I'm not too familiar on the performance of the dual-core 3000G as a CPU alone and was wondering if you guys could give me some info on it and what would be a decent cheap combo to pack it with? My friend is a uni student so money is tight  

 

Many thanks,

vK

 

Edit: This is the current build I'm playing around with, 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Athlon 3000G 3.5 GHz Dual-Core Processor	£36.78 @ Aria PC
Motherboard	Asus PRIME B450M-A Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	£59.99 @ Amazon UK
Memory	Patriot Viper 4 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£27.99 @ Ebuyer
Storage	Patriot Burst 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£38.82 @ Ebuyer
Case	Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	£21.60 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply	Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	£44.99 @ Amazon UK
Monitor	AOC E2270SWHN 21.5" 1920x1080 60 Hz Monitor	£69.95 @ Amazon UK
Custom	750 Ti 4GB	£68.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£368.12
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-18 21:23 GMT+0000

 

[Slottr]

What about something like this?

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3400G 3.7 GHz Quad-Core Processor	£119.99 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	Gigabyte B450M GAMING Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	£61.99 @ AWD-IT
Memory	Team Vulcan 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£37.57 @ CCL Computers
Storage	Team L5 LITE 3D 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£49.68 @ Overclockers.co.uk
Case	Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	£21.60 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply	Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	£44.99 @ Amazon UK
Monitor	AOC E2470SWH 23.6" 1920x1080 60 Hz Monitor	£79.97 @ Amazon UK
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£415.79
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-18 21:16 GMT+0000

 

[Jumballi]

The athlon is not going to do 1080 60, it gets a lot of credit as being a great cpu on its own, especially when you can find a used 1060 for $100 and get it to perform pretty well in some titles.

edit, noticed you mentioned a 750 ti, that gpu isn’t going to do 1080 60 with the athlon in seige, even on low

[vK 3 1 RON]

4 minutes ago, Slottr said:

What about something like this?

That's more or less what my build looked like pre-3000g, if I went with the 3000g I could then get a 750 ti which would outperform the Vega 11 graphics for cheaper than £415~

 

3 minutes ago, Jumballi said:

The athlon is not going to do 1080 60, it gets a lot of credit as being a great cpu on its own, especially when you can find a used 1060 for $100 and get it to perform pretty well in some titles.

(...) I know the athlon itself won't be able to push 1080 60, absolutely not - it was more of a question of will the Athlon be able to handle a 750 ti (or something like that) in addition to, idk, having discord open at the same time? What's its multi-tasking capabilities? How strong of a CPU is it? Leaving out it's integrated Vega 3 graphics. But thank you, just re-read your post, if it can handle a 1060 then it should absolutely not bottleneck something like a 750 ti. 

[vK 3 1 RON]

I'll edit my original post to show the build I'm currently toying with 

[jaslion]

Slottr's build would be the best option and then you add a gpu later. As this way you won't have to upgrade both cpu and gpu but just the gpu.

[Jumballi]

6 minutes ago, vK 3 1 RON said:

That's more or less what my build looked like pre-3000g, if I went with the 3000g I could then get a 750 ti which would outperform the Vega 11 graphics for cheaper than £415~

 

(...) I know the athlon itself won't be able to push 1080 60, absolutely not - it was more of a question of will the Athlon be able to handle a 750 ti (or something like that) in addition to, idk, having discord open at the same time? What's its multi-tasking capabilities? How strong of a CPU is it? Leaving out it's integrated Vega 3 graphics. But thank you, just re-read your post, if it can handle a 1060 then it should absolutely not bottleneck something like a 750 ti. 

If you were worried about bottle necks, don’t be, it could handle a 2080 ti. sure enough the cpu won’t go super high in terms of performance, so you just need to increase the graphical fidelity.
Essentially if you did go with a 2080 ti, run your games at 4k ultra and you wouldn’t notice the difference between the athlon and the 9900k

[vK 3 1 RON]

1 minute ago, jaslion said:

Slottr's build would be the best option and then you add a gpu later. As this way you won't have to upgrade both cpu and gpu but just the gpu.

I know that the 3400g is a much stronger CPU and that I could slap a better GPU in the future, however, I don't think my friend is going to be getting into any intensive games more than siege. Saving money is the paramount in this scenario. I'm still kind of torn between 3000/3200/3400 G  

[Zando_]

Just now, Jumballi said:

Essentially if you did go with a 2080 ti, run your games at 4k ultra and you wouldn’t notice the difference between the athlon and the 9900k

Uh.... what? 

Do that with Battlefront V and compare, lemme know how it goes. 

[Jumballi]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

Uh.... what? 

Do that with Battlefront V and compare, lemme know how it goes. 

I’m obviously exaggerating, my point that I’m trying to get across is that any gpu and cpu will work together, but you just need to run one more than the other to get the most efficient balance.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Jumballi said:

I’m obviously exaggerating, my point that I’m trying to get across is that any gpu and cpu will work together, but you just need to run one more than the other to get the most efficient balance.

That's a pretty ludicrous exxageration. In most newer titles you'll take an fps hit even with an RX 570 (compared to a system with a 6 core CPU). 
 

5 minutes ago, vK 3 1 RON said:

I know that the 3400g is a much stronger CPU and that I could slap a better GPU in the future, however, I don't think my friend is going to be getting into any intensive games more than siege. Saving money is the paramount in this scenario. I'm still kind of torn between 3000/3200/3400 G  

The Vega 11 GPU is about on par with a GT 1030 once paired with properly snappy RAM IIRC. Is the 750 Ti faster than a 1030? If not then it's actually slower than the APU's own GPU. 

[Slottr]

6 minutes ago, vK 3 1 RON said:

I know that the 3400g is a much stronger CPU and that I could slap a better GPU in the future, however, I don't think my friend is going to be getting into any intensive games more than siege. Saving money is the paramount in this scenario. I'm still kind of torn between 3000/3200/3400 G  

3000G isn't worth a dollar in this type of situation

The 3400G would more than suffice for this type of load and if they want to push more frames they can throw in a gpu.

 

Two cores will struggle pretty harshly

[vK 3 1 RON]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

The Vega 11 GPU is about on par with a GT 1030 once paired with properly snappy RAM IIRC. Is the 750 Ti faster than a 1030? If not then it's actually slower than the APU's own GPU. 

I honestly just looked up some statistical comparisons between 750 Ti and Vega 11, it's perhaps possible that they didn't take into account 3000+Mhz RAM and then the Vega 11 will truly shine at that point. My issue is, with the 3400g I'd be at about £380. I have a friend who has a 2200g, because of the APU's need to take up 2GB of RAM for itself he only had 6GB of memory for Siege (He had a dedicated V card installed too, I think the APU was still taking the memory even though it was disabled in bios) and because of this, he'd keep getting disconnected from Discord when playing Siege. This makes me feel like 16GB would be a better idea, but this would send me over £400... Once again, the price is pretty important, don't get me wrong - if closer to the date RAM price goes down to a point where I can pickup 16GB for cheaper and get it under £400, I'll probably get the 3400g 

[vK 3 1 RON]

2 minutes ago, Slottr said:

Two cores will struggle pretty harshly

That's a fair enough point, I'll scrap the idea of 3000g then. 

[Jumballi]

3 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

That's a pretty ludicrous exxageration. In most newer titles you'll take an fps hit even with an RX 570 (compared to a system with a 6 core CPU).

I mean it makes more sense when we go back a generation, and it’s not 100% worst case scenoario in performance loss. 
But you do make a point with ghz becoming more important as the resolutions try to push forward this coming generation.

[Zando_]

Just now, Jumballi said:

I mean it makes more sense when we go back a generation, and it’s not 100% worst case scenoario in performance loss. 
But you do make a point with ghz becoming more important as the resolutions try to push forward this coming generation.

What. I didn't say anything about Ghz, just more cores.

 

Even in titles from the Maxwell era, a lot of those will brutalize a dual core chip. Especially at 4K. The CPU becomes less of a concern at a high res, but that doesn't mean you can just completely forget about it. 

[boggy77]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor	£45.86 @ CCL Computers
Motherboard	ASRock B450M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	£53.82 @ CCL Computers
Memory	Patriot Viper 4 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£27.99 @ Ebuyer
Storage	ADATA SU630 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£22.98 @ Amazon UK
Video Card	XFX Radeon RX 570 8 GB Video Card	£119.99 @ Ebuyer
Case	Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	£21.60 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply	Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	£44.99 @ Amazon UK
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£337.23
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-18 21:45 GMT+0000

 

[vK 3 1 RON]

Just now, boggy77 said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor	£45.86 @ CCL Computers
Motherboard	ASRock B450M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	£53.82 @ CCL Computers
Memory	Patriot Viper 4 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£27.99 @ Ebuyer
Storage	ADATA SU630 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£22.98 @ Amazon UK
Video Card	XFX Radeon RX 570 8 GB Video Card	£119.99 @ Ebuyer
Case	Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	£21.60 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply	Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	£44.99 @ Amazon UK
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£337.23
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-18 21:45 GMT+0000

 

Excellent idea friend, the small SSD would be an issue for siege alone as it's >60GB, and the lack of a monitor is also an issue, but if this comes down in price I'll consider it more  And I think a 3400g will be a stronger option instead of the 1200 but I could be wrong

[Jumballi]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

What. I didn't say anything about Ghz, just more cores.

 

Even in titles from the Maxwell era, a lot of those will brutalize a dual core chip. Especially at 4K. The CPU becomes less of a concern at a high res, but that doesn't mean you can just completely forget about it. 

Iirc, single core ghz is what it needs to stream more data from ram to gpu, at a lower latency hit.

Maxwell was when games started to utilize more cores, but not in the graphics dept.

[Zando_]

Just now, Jumballi said:

Iirc, single core ghz is what it needs to stream more data from ram to gpu, at a lower latency hit.

Maxwell was when games started to utilize more cores, but not in the graphics dept.

At this point I'm not sure even you know what you're saying. 

[Jumballi]

2 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor	£45.86 @ CCL Computers
Motherboard	ASRock B450M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	£53.82 @ CCL Computers
Memory	Patriot Viper 4 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£27.99 @ Ebuyer
Storage	ADATA SU630 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£22.98 @ Amazon UK
Video Card	XFX Radeon RX 570 8 GB Video Card	£119.99 @ Ebuyer
Case	Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	£21.60 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply	Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	£44.99 @ Amazon UK
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£337.23
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-18 21:45 GMT+0000

 

I’d drop down to a 4gb 570, just to save a couple dollars, siege won’t use more than 4gb of vram at the settings a 570 can handle.

[boggy77]

3 minutes ago, Jumballi said:

I’d drop down to a 4gb 570, just to save a couple dollars, siege won’t use more than 4gb of vram at the settings a 570 can handle.

it was literally the cheapest new 570. he can go used for £80-90

[boggy77]

5 minutes ago, vK 3 1 RON said:

And I think a 3400g will be a stronger option instead of the 1200 but I could be wrong

yes but at double the price. if you're going for dedicated gpy, like the rx 570, there is no point in having an integrated card. for the price of the 3400g, you can get a 1600 or 2600 which are much better cpus

[boggy77]

11 minutes ago, vK 3 1 RON said:

the lack of a monitor is also an issue,

added a decent monitor. for an extra £15 yoy can upgrade to a 500gb ssd

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor	£45.86 @ CCL Computers
Motherboard	ASRock B450M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	£53.82 @ CCL Computers
Memory	Patriot Viper 4 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£27.99 @ Ebuyer
Storage	ADATA SU630 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£22.98 @ Amazon UK
Video Card	XFX Radeon RX 570 8 GB Video Card	£119.99 @ Ebuyer
Case	Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	£21.60 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply	Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	£44.99 @ Amazon UK
Monitor	Dell SE2219H 22.0" 1920x1080 60 Hz Monitor	£77.98 @ Amazon UK
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£415.21
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-18 21:58 GMT+0000

 

[vK 3 1 RON]

6 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

it was literally the cheapest new 570. he can go used for £80-90

From CEX I could pickup  a 970 4GB  instead for £90?