Are golden chips more valuable than normal?

[Terryv]

I've got a really great 4790k, I was able to hit 4.9 gigahertz with a delid. Also, without using liquid metal, water cooling and a relatively low voltage.

 

I'm pretty sure this chip is capable of 5ghz given some extra cooling as I ran out of headroom.

 

I was wondering if it was worth more because of this, or less because of the delid

[porina]

A lazy overclocker might pay more for it than a regular sample. For normal users looking to upgrade from a lower CPU, the delid would probably be a negative. 

[WereCatf]

2 minutes ago, porina said:

For normal users looking to upgrade from a lower CPU, the delid would probably be a negative

I'd also count cautious users as ones for whom a pre-delidded CPU would be a negative, like e.g. myself; delidding is somewhat risky business and I just do not trust random people having done it entirely correctly and thus would avoid such CPUs.

[Mister Woof]

I view them like used cars.

 

Modded? Pass.

 

Stock? Sure.

[Terryv]

4 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

I'd also count cautious users as ones for whom a pre-delidded CPU would be a negative, like e.g. myself; delidding is somewhat risky business and I just do not trust random people having done it entirely correctly and thus would avoid such CPUs.

What would it take to remove such anxiety?

 

In my case the CPU was delided about 2 years ago and has been working great ever since.

 

I only brought it up to 4.9 for about an hour to do some testing, and then settled at 4.6 and it's been sitting there since.

 

I don't mind taking a hit on value at all, I just wanted to know if I will or will not be taking i a hit

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, Terryv said:

What would it take to remove such anxiety?

 

In my case the CPU was delided about 2 years ago and has been working great ever since.

 

I only brought it up to 4.9 for about an hour to do some testing, and then settled at 4.6 and it's been sitting there since.

 

I don't mind taking a hit on value at all, I just wanted to know if I will or will not be taking i a hit

Yes because haswell is ancient at this point.

[Firewrath9]

5 minutes ago, Terryv said:

I don't mind taking a hit on value at all, I just wanted to know if I will or will not be taking i a hit

I don't think you'll take a hit, Probably have a 5$ upcharge if you sell on r/hardwareswap vs ebay.

[aisle9]

17 minutes ago, Terryv said:

I've got a really great 4790k, I was able to hit 4.9 gigahertz with a delid. Also, without using liquid metal, water cooling and a relatively low voltage.

 

I'm pretty sure this chip is capable of 5ghz given some extra cooling as I ran out of headroom.

 

I was wondering if it was worth more because of this, or less because of the delid

Unless it's coming from someplace like Silicon Lottery, I would not buy a pre-delidded chip. Way too high a chance that whoever delidded it damaged the chip. There's also the whole "what is 'hitting 4.9GHz?'" thing. Maybe on your board, it's stable, but maybe you're running a voltage I'm not comfortable at. Or maybe "stable" for you means that it BSODs out once a week or so at 1.375V, whereas for me "stable" means no BSODs ever at 1.3V or below on vCore.

 

Too many variables for me as compared to just buying a Costa Rica 4790K and knowing that I can push it to 4.8GHz stable with the lid on.

[Mister Woof]

I would say, consider the following thread appears on this forum

 

Title: Should I pay 10% more for a delidded 4790k? The seller claims it can hit 4.9ghz and has been for 2 years

 

 

Body: I have an old Z87 board and an i5-4670k at 4.4ghz....in new games it's getting some bottlenecking and considering upgrading to a 4790k for the hyperthreading.

 

Is it worth spending $220 on this one, or $200 on a non delidded chip?

 

Or should I just buy a Ryzen 5 3600?

 

Help!

 

 

...and what do you think our responses will be?

[porina]

11 minutes ago, Terryv said:

What would it take to remove such anxiety?

Sell it on technical places, like overclocking forums, or to a lesser extent, tech sites like here. Places where people understand and not fear delidding.

 

10 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

Yes because haswell is ancient at this point.

Higher end CPUs in each socket hold their value relatively well. Too well.

[Mister Woof]

4 minutes ago, porina said:

Sell it on technical places, like overclocking forums, or to a lesser extent, tech sites like here. Places where people understand and not fear delidding.

 

Higher end CPUs in each socket hold their value relatively well. Too well.

I get that. But an unknown seller asking a premium for a modified chip....eh

[Terryv]

It looks like I may have fallen on a bit of a controversial subject here.

 

I'll probably just auction it off on eBay with full disclosure, start it at $1 and I'll get what I get.

 

if anyone's interested just PM me and I'll notify you when the auction goes up. It'll probably be a couple more weeks, I'm still waiting for my upgrade to come in.

[D.U.F.F.]

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[LiamApex]

36 minutes ago, Terryv said:

What would it take to remove such anxiety?

 

In my case the CPU was delided about 2 years ago and has been working great ever since.

 

I only brought it up to 4.9 for about an hour to do some testing, and then settled at 4.6 and it's been sitting there since.

 

I don't mind taking a hit on value at all, I just wanted to know if I will or will not be taking i a hit

you wont be able to remove the anxiety,

 

at the end of the day youve tampered with it... its old and no matter how fast it can be, its still 8 cores and people will prefer to get something newer that supports DDR4. sure its a great overclocker however its been at 4.9ghz and had a delid... doesnt go well for it .

[PianoPlayer88Key]

11 hours ago, Plutosaurus said:

Yes because haswell is ancient at this point.

 

I'm not sure I'd call Haswell "ancient" quite so fast, just yet.  There are a few criteria for me to call a CPU architecture "ancient".  One of them:

The current lowest-power mobile CPU, at base clock (no turbo) would have to be faster, single-threaded, than the old generation's flagship / top-end CPU across the entire architecture (not just the mainstream socket), multi-threaded, multi-socket.

I think the lowest-end Ice Lake -Y CPU, single-threaded, is still slower than the fastest Haswell EX Xeon E7-8xxx v3, multi-threaded, with the maximum # of CPUs possible in a server.

I don't think that same Ice Lake scenario would have surpassed Pentium 4 yet (especially if you consider the hyper threaded dual core extreme edition).  I'm not sure about Pentium III Xeon, but I would guess it may have surpassed multi-CPU Pentium II Xeon, and probably definitely dual Pentium Pro (if that was a thing then).

 

11 hours ago, porina said:

Higher end CPUs in each socket hold their value relatively well. Too well.

I wonder how long until they drop their value all the way, though?

For example, how long until, if I try to give (for free) my i7-4790K (currently in my desktop) to someone who's absolutely destitute and needs just something for basic office work or school or whatever ... they throw the CPU (by itself - no motherboard or cooler) back in my face hard enough to compound-fracture my jaw, cheekbone, nose AND skull simultaneously with a SINGLE impact, and scream (loud enough so I instantly become totally permanently deaf, and that without any microphone / PA system) at me something like "take this fucking shit away, you 6-letter word that rhymes with the name of Winnie the Pooh's feline friend!  It's too worthless even for its scrap materials!" or worse?

 

I've still seen aforementioned Pentium 4s, and maybe even P3s and older still selling for > $0.00 on eBay.  Just now I was looking, and even saw some 8086's, 8080s, 8008s still listed under sold items, and some 4004s going for triple digit prices.

 

I don't plan on keeping my 4790K quite THAT long.  Am currently planning on an upgrade about when DDR5 comes out, but am starting to be a bit concerned that the performance uplift per dollar I wan't won't be there yet*1, and I might have to wait for DDR6 or even DDR7 to upgrade*7.

 

*1 - I would like the greatest of the following performance uplift, at minimum:

• equivalent to my dad's going from 286-10 in January 1989 to 486DX4-120 in October 1995 (I bought my 4790K in January 2015, same interval would be October 2021)
• new CPU is as fast at encoding 4K HEVC video as old CPU is at encoding 320kbps mp3, at max settings.  In a test I ran a while ago, my 4790K took about 2 minutes to encode about 2 hours of 320kbps mp3 using a multi-threaded frontend of LAME, and about 4 days to encode about 4 minutes of HEVC (4K, q=0, keyint=1, placebo) in Handbrake.
• new CPU has the equivalent jump as if I had jumped the same number of generations in the 1980s / 1990s or so.  For example: Haswell Refresh -> Broadwell -> Skylake -> Kaby Lake -> Zen / Coffee Lake -> Zen+ / Coffee Lake Refresh -> Zen2 -> Zen 3 / Comet Lake -> Zen 4 / Rocket Lake would be 8 generations if I counted right.  The equivalent from the past might be something like 8086 -> 286 -> 386 -> 486 -> Pentium -> Pentium II -> Pentium III -> Pentium 4 -> Core 2.

*2 - I want a long upgrade path without having to change motherboards.  (I'd rather change my PSU several times, assuming I have a golden-sample SeaSonic Prime by then, before I swap my mobo, based on the labor time involved.)  I would be uncomfortable buying halfway through a DDR generation, ESPECIALLY if I bought Intel.  (I'm leaning 99.99999999999% toward AMD.)  I personally wouldn't want to jump into the AM4 socket with Zen 2 - I would have gone with Zen 1 in 2017 if I still had my DDR2 based system from 2008.

[porina]

6 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

I wonder how long until they drop their value all the way, though?

In general, I think many people on this forum and others like it are too narrow minded in why people buy CPUs. Like most things in life, it is more complicated than just boiling it down to a perf/$ value.

 

6 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

For example, how long until, if I try to give (for free) my i7-4790K (currently in my desktop) to someone who's absolutely destitute and needs just something for basic office work or school or whatever ... they throw the CPU (by itself - no motherboard or cooler) back in my face hard enough to compound-fracture my jaw, cheekbone, nose AND skull simultaneously with a SINGLE impact, and scream (loud enough so I instantly become totally permanently deaf, and that without any microphone / PA system) at me something like "take this fucking shit away, you 6-letter word that rhymes with the name of Winnie the Pooh's feline friend!  It's too worthless even for its scrap materials!" or worse?

Could be a very long time. I've got lower quad cores than that, and for a hypothetical gamer and general home user, it'll probably still be fine for years to come. Of course, you're not going to be getting the best performance, but it'll be ok for say 60Hz gaming for the foreseeable (assuming not GPU limited). 

 

6 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

I've still seen aforementioned Pentium 4s, and maybe even P3s and older still selling for > $0.00 on eBay.  Just now I was looking, and even saw some 8086's, 8080s, 8008s still listed under sold items, and some 4004s going for triple digit prices.

You think they are worthless now? Even if you looked at them as scrap material, their value is >0.00. Reasons may be varied. Maybe someone wants to keep a retro system running. With the even older ones, they're collectables now.