Ryzen 3900X, X570 and DDR4 Frequency

[napper_tapper]

Hi all,

 

I am going to be upgrading my current rig and I have a quick question: does moving to a 3900X with an X570 board (specifically ASRock X570 AQUA) allow me to overclock my current RAM higher? My current limitation was due to the motherboard/ cpu and not the RAM modules themselves as being used with only 2 sticks the frequency was easily 3733+ compared to the mere 3400 using 4 sticks. 

 

Current Spec:

 

Gigabyte AORUS X470 Gaming 7

AMD Ryzen 2 2700X

Gigabyte AORUS 32GB (4 x 8GB DIMMs) DDR4 3200 (OC to 3400)

 

Upgrade Spec:

 

ASRock X570 AQUA

AMD Ryzen 3 3900X

Gigabyte AORUS 32GB (4 x 8GB DIMMs) DDR4 3200 (OC to whatever possible)

 

Sorry but as you guys know I am a complete dumbass when it comes to how shit is compatible with each other. 

[Fasauceome]

What is the performance target of this rig?

[SpookyCitrus]

Jesus Christ that's a $1000 motherboard. X570 has been known in most cases to allow for higher overclocks than X470 with most ram however I don't know for sure if you'll be able to get to your target of 3733mhz with a 3200 kit, the price difference between 3200mhz and 3600mhz isn't too far off. You could sell your 3200mhz kit and go for a 3600mhz kit if  you 100% need those speeds.

[5x5]

No way to be sure but overclocking past 3733 is actually going to end up reducing performance slightly since you'll go in 2:1 IF operation

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

No way to be sure but overclocking past 3733 is actually going to end up reducing performance slightly since you'll go in 2:1 IF operation

if you manually tune IF speed you can circumvent the latency offset, but for gaming it's more work than it's worth.

[Jurrunio]

Maybe? We dont know whether you're currently limited by the memory kit or the memory controller in the CPU or the board itself. Overclocking is never guaranteed.

[GrockleTD]

10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Maybe? We dont know whether you're currently limited by the memory kit or the memory controller in the CPU or the board itself. Overclocking is never guaranteed.

At that point, the money being thrown at the motherboard could go to go to a memory kit rated for those speeds

[Jurrunio]

14 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

At that point, the money being thrown at the motherboard could go to go to a memory kit rated for those speeds

Srsly If he goes for a $400 (or maybe $300) board instead, there's enough money to get a 3950X later instead of the 3900X, and a 32GB 3600MHz CL16 2-DIMM kit.

[GrockleTD]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Srsly If he goes for a $400 (or maybe $300) board instead, there's enough money to get a 3950X later instead of the 3900X, and a 32GB 3600MHz CL16 2-DIMM kit.

Notedly though, memory overclocking is definitely better vs. 400 series chipsets, previously I could only get my 3200 memory to run at 3000 mostly stable, whereas with x570 it is running 3600 all day long

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

memory overclocking is definitely better vs. 400 series chipsets,

Still board dependent, bad X570 is still worse than great X470; Which X470 board are you comparing to?

[GrockleTD]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Still board dependent, bad X570 is still worse than great X470; Which X470 board are you comparing to?

Not x470, b450 steel legend (yes i’m aware there is a massive gap there)

[Jurrunio]

12 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

Not x470, b450 steel legend (yes i’m aware there is a massive gap there)

I'd say it's just board dependent then. Also the brand, Asrock's nowhere near strong in memory overclocking on Ryzen, or AMD platform in general.

[napper_tapper]

On 9/19/2019 at 5:39 PM, Fasauceome said:

What is the performance target of this rig?

When working from home:

 

1. Finite element analysis,

2. REVIT,

3. Maya,

4. Some video edit/render in Adobe Premiere.

 

When having fun at home:

 

5. Max settings 4K (locked 60fps since my home TV I run on doesn’t go higher anyway) w/HDR gaming, I have an RTX 2080Ti but I am unimpressed with ray tracing so I don’t care about that anymore.

 

On 9/19/2019 at 5:41 PM, SpookyCitrus said:

Jesus Christ that's a $1000 motherboard. X570 has been known in most cases to allow for higher overclocks than X470 with most ram however I don't know for sure if you'll be able to get to your target of 3733mhz with a 3200 kit, the price difference between 3200mhz and 3600mhz isn't too far off. You could sell your 3200mhz kit and go for a 3600mhz kit if  you 100% need those speeds.

 

Any recommendations for a 32GB kit? Budget I can do probably around £600 mark.

 

On 9/19/2019 at 5:41 PM, 5x5 said:

No way to be sure but overclocking past 3733 is actually going to end up reducing performance slightly since you'll go in 2:1 IF operation

 

I am really sorry I don’t know what this means.

 

On 9/19/2019 at 5:50 PM, Jurrunio said:

Maybe? We dont know whether you're currently limited by the memory kit or the memory controller in the CPU or the board itself. Overclocking is never guaranteed.

 

I could get 3433 MHz on all 4 DIMMs stable while keeping T1 and almost stock timings. Moving to 3733MHz was unstable on 4 DIMMs even if I changed to T2. Moving to 2 DIMMs I could get 3733MHz on T1 and stock timings. Guys at Toms Hardware have got better but I couldn’t reach it.

 

On 9/19/2019 at 6:15 PM, Jurrunio said:

Srsly If he goes for a $400 (or maybe $300) board instead, there's enough money to get a 3950X later instead of the 3900X, and a 32GB 3600MHz CL16 2-DIMM kit.

 

I don’t have a problem waiting the extra month till 3950X comes out and paying the little extra it will be, but I thought it had the same number of PCIe lanes so wouldn’t help with RAM speeds or am I wrong?

[SpookyCitrus]

1 hour ago, rmurph17 said:

Any recommendations for a 32GB kit? Budget I can do probably around £600 mark.

With that sort of budget just for ram you can get a 64GB kit of 3600mhz if you wanted or a C14 Lat 32GB kit. But Trident Z Neo is supposed to be pretty decent and made "specifically" for Ryzen 3000 and X570 systems. However I personally haven't tried it and I don't know much about it's availability outside the US.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232863?Description=trident z neo 3600mhz&cm_re=trident_z_neo_3600mhz-_-20-232-863-_-Product

 Corsair Vengeance LPX is also a great overclocking ram, I've been able to get it pretty high with decent timings, and best of all it's very reasonably priced.

[napper_tapper]

On 9/20/2019 at 11:27 PM, SpookyCitrus said:

With that sort of budget just for ram you can get a 64GB kit of 3600mhz if you wanted or a C14 Lat 32GB kit. But Trident Z Neo is supposed to be pretty decent and made "specifically" for Ryzen 3000 and X570 systems. However I personally haven't tried it and I don't know much about it's availability outside the US.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232863?Description=trident z neo 3600mhz&cm_re=trident_z_neo_3600mhz-_-20-232-863-_-Product

 Corsair Vengeance LPX is also a great overclocking ram, I've been able to get it pretty high with decent timings, and best of all it's very reasonably priced.

Whats your take of these?

 

https://www.technextday.co.uk/memory/64gb-16gbx4-gskill-trident-z-ddr4-pc428800-3600mhz-c17-f43600c17q64gtz?sort=p.price&order=DESC

 

I’ve never used Newegg do they ship to UK without import taxes?