VA vs. IPS | Panel wars

[DoritosDestroyer]

I just finished my new build last night (post coming in the build log later today), and I'm currently deciding between two monitors. What is everyone's opinion on VA panels compared to IPS panels? I know they both have their strengths and weaknesses, I'm simply not really all that familiar with either. I'm still rocking a T260HD (Samsung) 1920x1200 TFT (that's right, TFT) panel!

 

I'm deciding between the Samsung CHG70 (VA), and the Gigabyte Aorus AD27QD (IPS).

 

 

[5x5]

Definitely go for IPS. It's has MUCH better image quality and vastly superior colours. VA is hit and miss whereas IPS always has a solid image

[Tristerin]

I LOVE my IPS monitor.  Note that IPS can typically come with a high response time so if for gaming make sure it has a low response time

[Princess Luna]

10 minutes ago, DoritosDestroyer said:

I'm deciding between the Samsung CHG70 (VA), and the Gigabyte Aorus AD27QD (IPS).

Nowadays the latest VA panels by Samsung and LG are a better pick than IPS.

 

These panels solved all issues regarding GTG and Input Lag so you will not have any meaningful latency nor ghosting on the screen, furthermore they have improved color accuracy and viewing angles to be pretty much on pair with IPS.

 

Meanwhile VA does not suffer from IPS Glow, it has far less issues with backlight bleed, it has waaaaay superior contrast ratios and thus far more deeper blacks.

 

VA is arguably superior purchase than IPS nowadays provided it's the right VA screen, I could validate it myself comparing my old IPS Acer X34 to my current VA Viotek 34CN (both are 3440x1440p100hz) and I do prefer the experience on the VA Viotek (uses Samsung VA Panel).

 

NOW with all that said, 2560x1440p is a 27inch resolution, it looks bad 32inch as it starts to pixelate and the 32inch 16:9 screen size is arguably bad so even if I believe VA>IPS here I will advise on the Aorus AD27QD for being the correct screen size for its resolution.

[Tristerin]

@Princess Luna what are your thoughts on IPS vs Nano IPS?  My panel is a Nano IPS and its just....beautiful  (I am a monitor newb)

[SolarNova]

@DoritosDestroyer

VA is superior to IPS in 'overall' image quality if u dont include viewing angles as a main concern.

However

VA's weakness is its slow dark pixel transition speeds.

 

In regards to color accuracy, while VA cannot get as accurate as IPS, there are plenty of VA panel monitors that are as good as IPS and some that are actually better. The best monitors for color accurate work however are still IPS, but they tend to be professional monitors, no good for gaming.

 

For content consumption outside of gaming, VA is most certainly the way to go, its why they are used for TV's, they simply look the best thanks to their superior contrast and black levels.

 

IPS is also good, but suffers from IPS glow on top of normal BLB that can be present on any LCD panel. They also dont have as good contrast. They do however have good viewing angles, not that its relevant for monitors that are only ever goign to be used by 1 person at a time.

 

You can look at rtings review result in the link below. As you can see the monitors with the best image quality scores are IPS thanks to their viewing angles (20% of the total picture quality score comes from viewing angles which favors IPS), BUT when u look at black uniformity out of 16 monitors that score above 6,  8 are VA,  3 are TN and 5 are IPS. 

 

You can also see that the difference in color accuracy isnt as big as you would think between IPS and VA monitors tested.

 

Out of 9 reviewed monitors that score 7.5 or above on HDR color gamut, 4 are VA and 5 are IPS.

Out of 16 monitors reviewed that score 9 or higher on SDR color gamut, 7 are VA and 9 are IPS.

 

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/table/7754

 

 

IMO if ur looking at pure picture quality in regards to Monitors, the below link is what i would filter for, resulting only 5 options to choose form from what rtings has reviewed so far. 1 of which is a monitor using a 43" VA TV panel (larger TV panels tend to have better image quality vs Monitors).

These 5 monitors however dont have great pixel response times, and are all 60hz, so not the best for gaming, though most certainly not the worst.

 

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/table/7757

[goshot]

19 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Nowadays the latest VA panels by Samsung and LG are a better pick than IPS.

 

These panels solved all issues regarding GTG and Input Lag so you will not have any meaningful latency nor ghosting on the screen, furthermore they have improved color accuracy and viewing angles to be pretty much on pair with IPS.

 

Meanwhile VA does not suffer from IPS Glow, it has far less issues with backlight bleed, it has waaaaay superior contrast ratios and thus far more deeper blacks.

 

VA is arguably superior purchase than IPS nowadays provided it's the right VA screen, I could validate it myself comparing my old IPS Acer X34 to my current VA Viotek 34CN (both are 3440x1440p100hz) and I do prefer the experience on the VA Viotek (uses Samsung VA Panel).

 

NOW with all that said, 2560x1440p is a 27inch resolution, it looks bad 32inch as it starts to pixelate and the 32inch 16:9 screen size is arguably bad so even if I believe VA>IPS here I will advise on the Aorus AD27QD for being the correct screen size for its resolution.

Is there a way i can find out whether a VA panel doesn't suffer from ghosting or any other issues, besides from reading reviews? What are some good VA panels / VA panel manufecturers? Also, what are some sites that review monitors?

[Princess Luna]

17 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

@Princess Luna what are your thoughts on IPS vs Nano IPS?  My panel is a Nano IPS and its just....beautiful  (I am a monitor newb)

Nano IPS is simply the name LG gives their current IPS technology, it's LG's latest and greatest IPS wise but the fundamental mechanics are still same.

 

It's really good, I'm not in any way stating IPS doesn't have it's worth any more but you are still subject to the main issue being IPS glow/ backlight bleed when you're trying to display black colors.

17 minutes ago, goshot said:

What are some good VA panels / VA panel manufecturers? Also, what are some sites that review monitors?

Like stated LG and Samsung are the ones that nailed VA technology however to know or not if the screen (from other brands like my Viotek example) is one of these latest VA ones only through in depth reviews.

 

I strongly suggest you trying to see if your model of choice was reviewed by the YouTube tech channel Hardware Unboxed because they put up a highly professional look around multiple panels and compares them.

[goshot]

On 9/13/2019 at 6:33 PM, Princess Luna said:

It's really good, I'm not in any way stating IPS doesn't have it's worth any more but you are still subject to the main issue being IPS glow/ backlight bleed when you're trying to display black colors.

Thanks for the reply!

 

I'd guess the same might apply to IPS glow and blaclight bleed, but just to be sure, is there any way i can tell without reviews? Do these problems develop over time or does the monitor always has had these issues - i mean, if i happen to go to see the monitor in person to see if it has any issues, will tha be enough? Or will these issues appear later on?

 

Are there any ways to prevent or combat IPS glow and/or blacklight bleeding?

[SolarNova]

45 minutes ago, goshot said:

Thanks for the reply!

 

I'd guess the same might apply to IPS glow and blaclight bleed, but just to be sure, is there any way i can tell without reviews? Do these problems develop over time or does the monitor always has had these issues - i mean, if i happen to go to see the monitor in person to see if it has any issues, will tha be enough? Or will these issues appear later on?

 

Are there any ways to prevent or combat IPS glow and/or blacklight bleeding?

IPS and BLB are efficiently manufacturing defects. The amount present and intensity are on a panel by panel basis. That said there are ofc monitors that are known to have bad IPS glow and/or BLB , and those that have good levels (less). This will be down to the specific panel used and the level of QC that has gone into it.

IPS glow will always be present on IPS displays, while BLB while also always present has a much broader range of severity.

 

Both are measured usually in the 'black uniformity' or 'panel uniformity' results area of any thorough test/review.

[CTR640]

IPS sure got the reputation "the best colors and all" but is it true? IPS no longer is the best choice as VA has gotten better too and ghosting is no longer an issue but it depends on which year the monitor is produced.

I have a VA monitor here and zero latency input lag and 5ms pixel response time since those two are totally different from each other.

I had a OLED monitor (yes, monitor and not a TV) and returned it after two days because one of the issues it got is high latency input lag while it has 0.1ms pixel response time. Wether the monitor is professional grade or not, you don't wanna have high latency input. So, pick up one that suits your needs and get it.

[goshot]

4 hours ago, CTR640 said:

IPS sure got the reputation "the best colors and all" but is it true? IPS no longer is the best choice as VA has gotten better too and ghosting is no longer an issue but it depends on which year the monitor is produced.

I have a VA monitor here and zero latency input lag and 5ms pixel response time since those two are totally different from each other.

I had a OLED monitor (yes, monitor and not a TV) and returned it after two days because one of the issues it got is high latency input lag while it has 0.1ms pixel response time. Wether the monitor is professional grade or not, you don't wanna have high latency input. So, pick up one that suits your needs and get it.

 

5 hours ago, SolarNova said:

IPS and BLB are efficiently manufacturing defects. The amount present and intensity are on a panel by panel basis. That said there are ofc monitors that are known to have bad IPS glow and/or BLB , and those that have good levels (less). This will be down to the specific panel used and the level of QC that has gone into it.

IPS glow will always be present on IPS displays, while BLB while also always present has a much broader range of severity.

 

Both are measured usually in the 'black uniformity' or 'panel uniformity' results area of any thorough test/review.

Generally speaking, from what year onwards are the good VA panels that avoid ghosting and other issues?

Sorry for asking this here but i didn't want to start a new thread because you might not see it - Can you give me some suggestions for a good (budget) 24inch VA monitor? Do AOC make good VA and IPS monitors?

[SolarNova]

47 minutes ago, goshot said:

 

Generally speaking, from what year onwards are the good VA panels that avoid ghosting and other issues?

Sorry for asking this here but i didn't want to start a new thread because you might not see it - Can you give me some suggestions for a good (budget) 24inch VA monitor? Do AOC make good VA and IPS monitors?

Im rather harsh on LCD tech as a whole , so take that into account when u read on.

 

Only the newest VA panels have any chance of avoiding 'most' ghosting. But even the best cannot get around the slow dark transitions that VA panel in particular have issues with. So you not going to find a budget friendly VA panel that doesn't suffer from ghosting.

However

Ghosting isnt something everyone notices, or rather, the amount of ghosting that is noticeable varies from person to person.

 

If you hate ghosting as much as i do, but dont care about picture quality so much, then TN is the way to go.

 

Now, if ur unfortunate enough to be like myself where u cant stand ghosting AND you want good picture quality, then im afraid much like myself  your sod out of luck, as LCD tech simply cannot be good at everything. Its why im still using a Plasma.

 

That being said.

 

If ur in a position where u need to buy a new monitor, then i suggest you check out both rtings.com and tftcentral reviews and pic out a monitor thats within ur budget and score well in the aspects ur looking for.

 

rtings in particular has a nice tool for searching through the reviewed monitors by score and also specific result in particular areas.

 

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/table/7754

[CTR640]

1 hour ago, goshot said:

 

Generally speaking, from what year onwards are the good VA panels that avoid ghosting and other issues?

Sorry for asking this here but i didn't want to start a new thread because you might not see it - Can you give me some suggestions for a good (budget) 24inch VA monitor? Do AOC make good VA and IPS monitors?

I have the BenQ GW2270H that costs me €99 and no ghosting here in dark transitions. However, the ones I got that were produced in 2016 or 2017, they had ghosting. Mine is produced in 2018 and no ghosting. You want 24inch, then the BenQ GW2470HL might be the right one for you. I don't know where you live but in case you are not satisfied with it, you can return it?

 

However, if you want truely ghosting-free monitor, then the Asus PQ22UC might be the best for you But one downside: it has high latency input.

[WereCatf]

25 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

and score well in the aspects ur looking for

I'm planning to get myself a new display this year or early next year because atm I'm still rocking a 10-year old 1080p display that was a crappy budget-option even back when it was new. Rtings and tftcentral and such are nice suggestions and all, but...what if one doesn't even know what aspects they're looking for? Choosing a display is so gosh durn difficult, when you want one that'll last you for the next 10 years

[CTR640]

12 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

I'm planning to get myself a new display this year or early next year because atm I'm still rocking a 10-year old 1080p display that was a crappy budget-option even back when it was new. Rtings and tftcentral and such are nice suggestions and all, but...what if one doesn't even know what aspects they're looking for? Choosing a display is so gosh durn difficult, when you want one that'll last you for the next 10 years

You might check YT videos for the reviews on the monitors you want. That's how I got mine and also found some reviews.

But yes, it is not easy to find the right one.I avoided IPS monitors because of IPS-glows and blacks are more like grey.

[WereCatf]

2 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

You might check YT videos for the reviews on the monitors you want

I just mentioned that I don't even know what aspects I want. I don't have any specific monitors picked out.

[CTR640]

Just now, WereCatf said:

I just mentioned that I don't even know what aspects I want. I don't have any specific monitors picked out.

Ah I see. Well, in that case, keep your current monitor if you're still happy with it

[WereCatf]

4 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

Ah I see. Well, in that case, keep your current monitor if you're still happy with it

I didn't say I was happy with the current one. I mean, I specifically said I am going to buy a new one.

[CTR640]

2 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

I didn't say I was happy with the current one. I mean, I specifically said I am going to buy a new one.

I said "if".

 

If you don't know what aspects you want, you might check the phyisical stores to see the monitors.

[Marko_91]

And what about tn panels? Are they still that behind in 2019? This one for example, looks preaty decent to me lg 24gl600f-b
EDIT: Ups, i posted wrong monitor.. I've corrected it

[SolarNova]

39 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

I'm planning to get myself a new display this year or early next year because atm I'm still rocking a 10-year old 1080p display that was a crappy budget-option even back when it was new. Rtings and tftcentral and such are nice suggestions and all, but...what if one doesn't even know what aspects they're looking for? Choosing a display is so gosh durn difficult, when you want one that'll last you for the next 10 years

Well one thing u can do is read both rtings and tftcentrals testing methodologies and what each test is for and what results mean. That way u know what ur looking at.

 

Then simply decide what u want to aim for.

Do u want a monitor for pure performance gaming ..competitive gaming.

Do u want a monitor for professional color work, for prints, and video editing.

Do u want a monitor for content consumption like moves and shows ?

 

Those 3 main targets each correspond to 1 LCD type generally speaking.

TN for competitive gaming

IPS for color accurate work

VA for media consumption.

 

its a rather generalized list but it will give u an idea of where to start, as nowadays the lines are somewhat blurred. You can get both IPS and VA monitors that ok for gaming for example, and VA is arguable as good as IPS in the color accuracy department on some higher end models. Each type has its own pro's and cons. None are good at everything.

 

You also have aspect ratio, size, resolution and frequency to think about if u have anything other than a top of the line PC as there's no point getting a high refresh 1440p display or a 4k display if ur system cant take advantage of it.

[SolarNova]

16 minutes ago, Marko_91 said:

And what about tn panels? Are they still that behind in 2019? This one for example, looks preaty decent to me lg 24gl600f-b
EDIT: Ups, i posted wrong monitor.. I've corrected it

TN are still king of fast pixel response and high refresh. And a few even have a good image quality BUT , the faster a TN panel is the worse the image quality usually is. The new fast 240hz TN monitors for example have trash image quality.

[Turtle Rig]

On 9/13/2019 at 7:47 AM, 5x5 said:

Definitely go for IPS. It's has MUCH better image quality and vastly superior colours. VA is hit and miss whereas IPS always has a solid image

Oh IPS all day long.  The motion blur is not bad and for more part its a smooth experience.  But also you get amazing color accuracy and no viewing angles and what not.

[goshot]

On 9/15/2019 at 2:09 AM, SolarNova said:

Im rather harsh on LCD tech as a whole , so take that into account when u read on.

 

Only the newest VA panels have any chance of avoiding 'most' ghosting. But even the best cannot get around the slow dark transitions that VA panel in particular have issues with. So you not going to find a budget friendly VA panel that doesn't suffer from ghosting.

However

Ghosting isnt something everyone notices, or rather, the amount of ghosting that is noticeable varies from person to person.

 

If you hate ghosting as much as i do, but dont care about picture quality so much, then TN is the way to go.

 

Now, if ur unfortunate enough to be like myself where u cant stand ghosting AND you want good picture quality, then im afraid much like myself  your sod out of luck, as LCD tech simply cannot be good at everything. Its why im still using a Plasma.

 

That being said.

 

If ur in a position where u need to buy a new monitor, then i suggest you check out both rtings.com and tftcentral reviews and pic out a monitor thats within ur budget and score well in the aspects ur looking for.

 

rtings in particular has a nice tool for searching through the reviewed monitors by score and also specific result in particular areas.

 

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/table/7754

Will keep this in mind. Im just curious what are the prices of such 24 inch VA monitors, can you list me some?