ssd Crucial MX500 500GB vs Samsung 860 EVO SSD 500GB

[goshot]

What's the better Sata SSD? Both have similar prices here: Crucial MX500 is 142 levs = 81.14$ and the 860 EVO is 159 levs = 90.86.
I saw the Evo is faster in some benchamrks, but it's longevity is smaller (it was 150 TB vs crucial's 180TB iirc)

What are your opinions? I've ordered the Crucial one but i can cancel the order. Should i get the Samsumng 860 EVO? Is there perhaps a better NVMe SSD?

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

11 minutes ago, goshot said:

Is there perhaps a better NVMe SSD?

any nmve sub r/w speed is atleast 3~6x faster than sata ssd, what do you need?

[TheNaitsyrk]

15 minutes ago, goshot said:

What's the better Sata SSD? Both have similar prices here: Crucial MX500 is 142 levs = 81.14$ and the 860 EVO is 159 levs = 90.86.
I saw the Evo is faster in some benchamrks, but it's longevity is smaller (it was 150 TB vs crucial's 180TB iirc)

What are your opinions? I've ordered the Crucial one but i can cancel the order. Should i get the Samsumng 860 EVO? Is there perhaps a better NVMe SSD?

If you can stick NVMe in, then Samsung Evo Plus 970:

Warranty5-Year Limited Warrantyor 300 TBW Limited Warranty

Double the durability for £30 more.

 

Samsung's warranty + Samsung Magician comes with it. Worth considering.

[Epimetheus]

I don't think the intel 660p costs much more

[goshot]

3 minutes ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

any nmve sub r/w speed is atleast 3~6x faster than sata ssd, what do you need?

I just need a storage for all my stuff, from documents, code, journals to some games. Idk if i rally need an NVMe.

 

2 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

If you can stick NVMe in, then Samsung Evo Plus 970:

Warranty5-Year Limited Warrantyor 300 TBW Limited Warranty

Double the durability for £30 more.

 

Samsung's warranty + Samsung Magician comes with it. Worth considering.

What's Samsung Magician?

[TheNaitsyrk]

Just now, goshot said:

I just need a storage for all my stuff, from documents, code, journals to some games. Idk if i rally need an NVMe.

 

What's Samsung Magician?

https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/product/consumer/magician/

[goshot]

Just now, Epimetheus said:

I don't think the intel 660p costs much more

I've watched Linu's review on the intel 660p. It's cheaper but it's a little worse and i think it didn't have any DRAM in it. I'd prefer an SSD with DRAM so everything is better.

[MojangYang]

2 minutes ago, goshot said:

What's Samsung Magician?

Samsung’s ssd diagnostic tool

 

in my opinion the samsung is the best, the 860 evo. It lasts longer than the mx500 and has good warranty

[goshot]

1 minute ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/product/consumer/magician/

Just found out that the 500GB Samsung Evo Plus 970 is like 100 levs more... Keepin mind the crucials one is 142 levs. i'll skip on the 970 Evo for now.

[goshot]

5 minutes ago, MojangYang said:

in my opinion the samsung is the best, the 860 evo. It lasts longer than the mx500 and has good warranty

They both have a 5 year warranty

 

7 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/product/consumer/magician/

6 minutes ago, MojangYang said:

Samsung’s ssd diagnostic tool

How good is this diagnostics tool? How much does it help? Is it worth considering?

[TheNaitsyrk]

2 minutes ago, goshot said:

They both have a 5 year warranty

 

How good is this diagnostics tool? How much does it help? Is it worth considering?

Literally everything is in the link I gave you....

[MojangYang]

2 minutes ago, goshot said:

They both have a 5 year warranty

 

How good is this diagnostics tool? How much does it help? Is it worth considering?

The samsung is more trustworthy anyway.

 

as for the diagnostic software, it’s a good one in the entire ssd softwares kingdom, but it’s not important. It tests the drive and predict failures

[goshot]

1 minute ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Literally everything is in the link I gave you....

I mean, I saw it, but they don't always show everything you know. There could be issues that they're hiding that are only mentioned in reviews or forums. I'm asking if any of you happen to know whether this actually works from personal experience, are there any issues, how much it actually helps etc.
Also does Crucial have an equivalent to this?

[TheNaitsyrk]

Just now, goshot said:

I mean, I saw it, but they don't always show everything you know. There could be issues that they're hiding that are only mentioned in reviews or forums. I'm asking if any of you happen to know whether this actually works from personal experience, are there any issues, how much it actually helps etc.
Also does Crucial have an equivalent to this?

They did.

[goshot]

2 minutes ago, MojangYang said:

The samsung is more trustworthy anyway.

 

as for the diagnostic software, it’s a good one in the entire ssd softwares kingdom, but it’s not important. It tests the drive and predict failures

Is there a diagnostic tool counterpart for crucial?

[minibois]

30 minutes ago, goshot said:

but it's longevity is smaller (it was 150 TB vs crucial's 180TB iirc)

Keep in mind you're quoting the TBW on the 860 EVO 250GB model, which is lower because it has less memory modules.

On the 500GB versions it's 300TB on the 860 EVO vs. 180TB on the MX500.

 

This is likely because the MLC vs. TLC used. TLC holds more capacity (thus cheaper), but has less longevity. I am not saying this is important, but I felt like i needed to mention/correct it.

The Crucial MX500 is still a really solid SSD choice and 180TB written is kind of out of the realm for most PC users.

[goshot]

1 minute ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

They did.

But they don't have it anymore, right?
What was the name of their software?

[MojangYang]

3 minutes ago, goshot said:

Is there a diagnostic tool counterpart for crucial?

Don’t think so.

also the software is not important, you can get any third party one that runs s.m.a.r.t scan on the drive

[goshot]

1 minute ago, Minibois said:

Keep in mind you're quoting the TBW on the 860 EVO 250GB model, which is lower because it has less memory modules.

On the 500GB versions it's 300TB on the 860 EVO vs. 180TB on the MX500.

 

This is likely because the MLC vs. TLC used. TLC holds more capacity (thus cheaper), but has less longevity. I am not saying this is important, but I felt like i needed to mention/correct it.

The Crucial MX500 is still a really solid SSD choice and 180TB written is kind of out of the realm for most PC users.

Thank you very much for your correction!

I just realized that the EVO has MLC not TLC. MLC is faster than TLC, right? The price idfference in a vacuum between these 2 drives isn't all that much, it's like 10$. Which would you recommend?

[MojangYang]

3 minutes ago, goshot said:

Thank you very much for your correction!

I just realized that the EVO has MLC not TLC. MLC is faster than TLC, right? The price idfference in a vacuum between these 2 drives isn't all that much, it's like 10$. Which would you recommend?

Samsung all the way.

$10 for 120TBW more and slight faster speed is worth it

[goshot]

6 minutes ago, MojangYang said:

Don’t think so.

also the software is not important, you can get any third party one that runs s.m.a.r.t scan on the drive

Didn't know that, thank you!

[GoldenLag]

10 minutes ago, Minibois said:

This is likely because the MLC

860 Evo uses TLC. Samsung names everything MLC. it uses 3  bit MLC which is TLC. DLC AKA 2 bit MLC is only on their pro drives iirc. 

47 minutes ago, goshot said:

Is there perhaps a better NVMe SSD?

you might be able to get a Sabrent rocket or similar for more or less the same. 

[minibois]

4 minutes ago, goshot said:

MLC is faster than TLC, right?

Yes.. And no..-ish.

Disregard what is said below. It is still neat info, but not relevant to the conversation because of what GoldenLag said below.

Spoiler

Simply put, an SSD cell contains a voltage between 0 and 1v. With SLC that is two states, so it's really easy for a controller (the brains of the SSD) to see if it's suppose to be 0 (or approximately 0) or (approx.) 1. With MLC you have 4 states, so it needs to check if a cell is in either of the 4 possible voltage states (let's say approx. 0v, 0.33v, 0.66v and 1v). With TLC this goes up another step to 8 states.

 

So with MLC you have 4 states to check against, with TLC you have 8 states to check against. But if you implement a better controller on the TLC model, the difference will not be huge.

 

3 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

860 Evo uses TLC. Samsung names everything MLC. it uses 3  bit MLC which is TLC. DLC AKA 2 bit MLC is only on their pro drives iirc. 

Looks like I got baited  

[19_blackie_73]

just to tune in in all the technicalities...
 

if you just want to to this:

34 minutes ago, goshot said:

I just need a storage for all my stuff, from documents, code, journals to some games. Idk if i rally need an NVMe.

literally any brand ssd is fine, even a sata one.

That said, regarding the magician or not, sth like crystal disk info and crystal disk mark will give you the exact same information, I didn't use it once after a first try ...

as the mx500 is cheaper, I'd get that for that purpose.
 

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Minibois said:

Looks like I got baited  

they did brand QLC correctly at least. imma go download some extra DLC while im at it. 

 

is that a gamer SSD? the fact it comes with DLC?