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Intel CPU and cooling recommendation

So, I have an i7 extreme x990  for... maybe 7-9 years? It's been fantastic and very responsive/fast. 

I am not so much a gamer - maybe the odd one or so however I am more of an "enterprise" guy. I need a reliable and fast CPU for my heavy load works (Im a software dev). My system is also literally on 24/7.

 

Intel have come out now with an i9 however I dont see any extreme editions really?

 

I am also not the guy who is into all the RGB madness and liquid cooling extravaganza. So I am looking for a pretty decent/easy setup.

 

Thoughts? Recommendations? The more cores, the better. I have the money to splash out so don't hold back.

 

In addition, I need a mobo that supports more than 32GB of memory and as many SATA ports as possible :)

 

thanks!

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Why not a Ryzen 3950X and X570 motherboard? Or if you can wait a bit for next gen Threadripper and see what that offers if you really need lots of cores.

If you're dead set on Intel then a 9980XE and X299 motherboard should do nicely, or if you have a lot of cash to splash then the 3175X Xeon is another option

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Thank you. Intel only - Intel fan and have been since day one ;)

 

But are the "extremes" done now? What are the subs for that, if any?

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Just now, AhmedIlyas said:

But are the "extremes" done now? What are the subs for that, if any?

Intel has done away the Core i7 Extreme branding, now it's the XE and W-0000X CPUs

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10 minutes ago, AhmedIlyas said:

so... what is the latest and greatest and fastest?...

The latest, greatest and fastest is, sadly for you, the AMD 3900X 12 core in the mainstream and the AMD Thread ripper 2990WX 32-core on the HEDT side. 

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1 minute ago, AhmedIlyas said:

On the intel's side..... ?

The 9900K 8-core for mainstream and the 9980XE 18-core on the HEDT side (this is so far behind the AMD cpu it's not even funny). But both Intel cpus run super hot and use absurd amounts of power so you need heavy duty cooling

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1 minute ago, AhmedIlyas said:

5x5: Thanks. Hmm. :(

If you absolutely must have Intel, I'd suggest waiting till next year. Hopefully, the 10th gen is not just another 14nm refresh with even more power draw and heat

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5 minutes ago, AhmedIlyas said:

lol :)

Hopefully Intel finally manage to make 10nm work - it's been delayed every year since 2016 when it was due - competitors (AMD and ARM) have moved to 7nm and are working on 5nm - Intel is in real danger of falling very far behind

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So the 9980XE 18-core looks interesting but I've seen i9s that have like more speed than this one?

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Basically Intel is stuck right now, and can't release new HEDT processors until it resolves the production issues plaguing its new 10nm process. That's beginning to happen with mobile CPUs, but we aren't expecting desktop 10nm chips, of any variety, in 2019.

 

So they've got 9900k for the high frequency 8C mainstream chip, and then an array of HEDT parts capping out with the 9980XE. You might want to read some reviews though, as I know that for some workloads the midrange higher frequency HEDT chips actually performed better than the 9980XE.

 

On the AMD side, Zen 2 Threadripper isn't out yet, although there is a 12 core R9 3900 with a 16 core R9 3950X arriving shortly.

 

I don't have any particular recommendations as my CPU use is pretty much just gaming, but I will say that Intel is in a bad position right now and this isn't a great time to buy an Intel CPU for many workloads.

 

edit: I should add that there’s rumors of a stopgap Comet Lake 14nm release in Q1 2020. I wouldn’t expect a whole lot beyond a possible 10 core mainstream CPU, though. 

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Thank you! So, can someone shed some light on why the production issues? I'm always interested more than anything.

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as an " enterprise " type of use intel is a horrible choice now and for as far as i can see.

 

Intel has the Xeon W-3175X what is 28c 56t. But AMD will have the next round of threadrippers and im guessing they will go upto 64c 128t and those will manhandle all of intels's offerings.  If it was me i would wait for those to come out and go with those. Being a fanboy your going to lose a bunch of performance.

 

But if i needed something now i would go with the W-3175X. They suck power like you would not believe tho. So get a good psu for it.

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If you're in the High End desktop segment. Your latest and greatest from Intel is the 18 core 9980XE, at an MSRP of 1700USD. If you want to go above this, you're in the server segment on the LGA3647 socket, with the Xeon W-3175X 28 core option for about 3000USD MSRP. The 9980 support 128GB, 2666mhz memory. The Xeon supports 512GB 2666mhz memory. You can likely clock it higher, though not much higher if you max out the memory capacity.

 

Alternatively, you can get a 32 core 2990WX from AMD for about 1800 USD. Supporting 128GB memory at 2966MHZ. Note that the 2990WX consist of two CPUs on the same die. In certain applications, this is not a problem and Intel is left in a ditch. In other applications, the latency between the CPUs can cause somewhat reduced performance.

 

If 32 cores is not enough, AMD does offer the 7742 Epyc 64 core for about 7500USD. If your applications can even make use of 64 cores, this is as good as it gets right now unless you're buying on behalf of Google, Facebook or other giant companies. The CPU supports up to 4TB memory, at 3200mhz. But i don't think there are motherboards supporting this memory capacity AND frequency.

 

You can also take a look at the 16 core AMD 3950x launching in september for about 750USD. I got the 12 core variant myself and i'm very happy with it, even though you seem to need the cores much more than i do. It supports 3200mhz memory, up to 128GB i believe.

 

1 hour ago, AhmedIlyas said:

Thank you! So, can someone shed some light on why the production issues? I'm always interested more than anything.

 

Basically, Intel attempted an extremely ambitious jump from 14nm to 10nm all the way back in 2014. Slated for release in 2016/2017. As of 2019, they have yet to deliver and the rumor mill has it that even after 2-3 years of delays they are not close to full 10nm production. What they have produced have been lower power mobile chips, at best, performing marginally better than their 14nm CPUs.

 

At best they will lose some market through 2019 and 2020. At worst, they won't be competitive in the extremely lucrative server segment for several years. Resulting in a downward spiral of revenue loss and mounting debt affecting them for the better part of a decade to come. This doom-saying have yet to materialize however, even though AMD started competing again in 2017. Intel still increased it's yearly revenue in 2017 and 2018.

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As everyone else would say here, I would HIGHLY suggest going over to AMD... there's pretty much no downside. Faster performance, lower price, less heat.

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1 hour ago, AhmedIlyas said:

Thank you! So, can someone shed some light on why the production issues? I'm always interested more than anything.

Anandtech is always a good source on Intel stuff.

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12693/intel-delays-mass-production-of-10-nm-cpus-to-2019

 

That's from 2018; 10nm desktop CPUs won't arrive in 2019.

 

There's also a good summary from Anandtech in their review-ish of an ill-starred 10nm laptop CPU Intel "released" earlier this year. It's been a long road for Intel to 10nm.

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13405/intel-10nm-cannon-lake-and-core-i3-8121u-deep-dive-review/2

 

We're potentially getting a 14nm desktop CPU refresh in what looks to be Q1 2020 (the rumored 10 core CPU). If you're looking for multicore performance improvements, I wouldn't expect a ton from Intel on 14nm as it's a fairly mature process at this point and their main tools are likely to be raising frequencies, tweaking memory controllers, and raising TDP to account for that. Matching AMD's 12 and 16 core processors doesn't seem to be in the cards at the moment.

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Thanks all!

Xeon is slow for me. I have a xeon laptop (bought 2 months ago) which was a replacement for my i7 extreme laptop and that laptop was... 5 years old. It still outperforms the new xeon laptop I got.... yeah, go figure.

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  • 4 weeks later...

So, i9 XE 9980 or 9900K or 9900X?

 

As I said, looking for perf and that is reliable. Of course, less power consumption is great as i will have it on pretty much 24/7

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