Jump to content

Yolo, necrobuilder here

Jorpe
By Jorpe
in New Builds and Planning
 Share
Posted

Hola, boiz.

 

I'm about to switch from fm1 a8-3870 CPU to fx-6300 cpu am3 mobo. Yet benchmarks tell they kinda same.

 

Also xor may not even be great advantage over usual a8  performance. Seems legit update imo. 

 

Just wanna get decent home pc to launch rimworld from time to time and do web research. CPU and mobo are only things I'm going to swap, got 400w PSU, some old gfx (rad HD 6500) to change later on. Gotta grab dual ddr3 for new build.

 

Any am3 socket issues? Any advice on mobo?

Does fx have any speed advantage over a8?

Link to comment
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1087535-yolo-necrobuilder-here/
Share on other sites
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted
19 minutes ago, Jorpe said:

 Does fx have any speed advantage over a8?

Yes the 6300 is a ton faster than the A8. 

 

However, Ryzen prices are pretty great right now. A 2200G in a cheap B450 motherboard and 8GB DDR4 puts that setup to shame, much less fan noise due to less hear output, more modern performance, etc. What are you spending on the 6300 and am3 motherboard?

 

This may interest you:

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor $79.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI B450M BAZOOKA V2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $69.99 @ Amazon
Memory Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $38.99 @ Adorama
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $188.87
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-28 10:25 EDT-0400  

 

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 11 and Fedora Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

PSU tier list

How many watts do I need?

PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad

Link to comment
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1087535-yolo-necrobuilder-here/#findComment-12757096
Share on other sites
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

FX 6300 is AM3+, double check if you're actually getting an AM3 or AM3+ board, some AM3 boards do support AM3+ chips too.

 

But otherwise a cheap AM4 board and Athlon may work better, but you would need new RAM for that too.. so it's kind of difficult to say what is the best plan with upgrading on a tight budget.

 

Sadly it seems like LGA 1150 boards are not that cheap second hand either, so that's not much of an option..

But maybe you can get lucky on someone selling their first gen Ryzen kit for not much. Something like a 1500x would be a nice upgrade.

 

With a second hand recommendation you're really dependent on the market you're in, so I could only give inspiration on what to look for.

"We're all in this together, might as well be friends" Tom, Toonami.

 

mini eLiXiVy: my open source 65% mechanical PCB, a build log, PCB anatomy and discussing open source licenses: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1366493-elixivy-a-65-mechanical-keyboard-build-log-pcb-anatomy-and-how-i-open-sourced-this-project/

 

mini_cardboard: a 4% keyboard build log and how keyboards work: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1328547-mini_cardboard-a-4-keyboard-build-log-and-how-keyboards-work/

Link to comment
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1087535-yolo-necrobuilder-here/#findComment-12757098
Share on other sites
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted
  • Author
8 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Yes the 6300 is a ton faster than the A8. 

 

However, Ryzen prices are pretty great right now. A 2200G in a cheap B450 motherboard and 8GB DDR4 puts that setup to shame, much less fan noise due to less hear output, more modern performance, etc. What are you spending on the 6300 and am3 motherboard?

120 bux in total.

Link to comment
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1087535-yolo-necrobuilder-here/#findComment-12757117
Share on other sites
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted
  • Author
9 minutes ago, Minibois said:

FX 6300 is AM3+, double check if you're actually getting an AM3 or AM3+ board, some AM3 boards do support AM3+ chips too.

 

But otherwise a cheap AM4 board and Athlon may work better, but you would need new RAM for that too.. so it's kind of difficult to say what is the best plan with upgrading on a tight budget.

 

Sadly it seems like LGA 1150 boards are not that cheap second hand either, so that's not much of an option..

But maybe you can get lucky on someone selling their first gen Ryzen kit for not much. Something like a 1500x would be a nice upgrade.

 

With a second hand recommendation you're really dependent on the market you're in, so I could only give inspiration on what to look for.

Am3+? Huh, I thought they backwards compatible. Thnx man. Any adv on chipset?

Link to comment
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1087535-yolo-necrobuilder-here/#findComment-12757120
Share on other sites
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted
2 minutes ago, Jorpe said:

120 bux in total.

Like I shared in the link above, you can get some seriously better value. I wouldn't pay over $100 for an FX setup honestly.

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 11 and Fedora Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

PSU tier list

How many watts do I need?

PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad

Link to comment
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1087535-yolo-necrobuilder-here/#findComment-12757125
Share on other sites
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted
6 minutes ago, Jorpe said:

Am3+? Huh, I thought they backwards compatible. Thnx man. Any adv on chipset?

AM3+ works with all AM3 (non +) chips. No question about it.

But the simpler AM3 boards may not support all AM3+ boards (out of the box), since those chips are made later than the board. So for the motherboard you have chosen, go to the manufacturer website, find the 'Support' section and go to CPU support. Check if the CPU you want to use is supported.

 

It may be that a BIOS update is required, which makes things a bit more complicated.

Only in rare instances can you update the bios without a working CPU installed.

 

Having said that, Ryzen might just make more sense than going FX. In the 120 USD budget I don't think you can fit an entire board, cpu and ram:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($79.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($64.88 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $194.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-28 10:35 EDT-0400

 

Checking your second hand market might yield so e deals on a board and CPU, but I don't find it likely you can shave off 70 USD from this..

This setup also has a CPU with a GPU built-in for 720p to 1080p medium gaming, depending on the game.

"We're all in this together, might as well be friends" Tom, Toonami.

 

mini eLiXiVy: my open source 65% mechanical PCB, a build log, PCB anatomy and discussing open source licenses: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1366493-elixivy-a-65-mechanical-keyboard-build-log-pcb-anatomy-and-how-i-open-sourced-this-project/

 

mini_cardboard: a 4% keyboard build log and how keyboards work: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1328547-mini_cardboard-a-4-keyboard-build-log-and-how-keyboards-work/

Link to comment
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1087535-yolo-necrobuilder-here/#findComment-12757142
Share on other sites
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted
  • Author
5 minutes ago, Minibois said:

AM3+ works with all AM3 (non +) chips. No question about it.

But the simpler AM3 boards may not support all AM3+ boards (out of the box), since those chips are made later than the board. So for the motherboard you have chosen, go to the manufacturer website, find the 'Support' section and go to CPU support. Check if the CPU you want to use is supported.

 

It may be that a BIOS update is required, which makes things a bit more complicated.

Only in rare instances can you update the bios without a working CPU installed.

 

Having said that, Ryzen might just make more sense than going FX. In the 120 USD budget I don't think you can fit an entire board, cpu and ram:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($79.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($64.88 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $194.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-28 10:35 EDT-0400

 

Checking your second hand market might yield so e deals on a board and CPU, but I don't find it likely you can shave off 70 USD from this..

This setup also has a CPU with a GPU built-in for 720p to 1080p medium gaming, depending on the game.

Just checked local retail market. 107 to 110 for am3 Mobo and fx chip vs 200 to 230 for Zen build. 

Link to comment
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1087535-yolo-necrobuilder-here/#findComment-12757161
Share on other sites
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted
2 minutes ago, Jorpe said:

Just checked local retail market. 107 to 110 for am3 Mobo and fx chip vs 200 to 230 for Zen build. 

As much as I am an AMD fan, I find it somewhat difficult to recommend an Fx 6300 in this day and age. It's not bad for the right price, just... Lacking.

With a 2200G you are also upgrading your GPU, which kind of has it make sense to me. But I don't find significantly low prices on eBay for example.

 

Just out of curiosity, can you check if you can get a 2200g or 2400g for a competitive price on the second hand makret?

"We're all in this together, might as well be friends" Tom, Toonami.

 

mini eLiXiVy: my open source 65% mechanical PCB, a build log, PCB anatomy and discussing open source licenses: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1366493-elixivy-a-65-mechanical-keyboard-build-log-pcb-anatomy-and-how-i-open-sourced-this-project/

 

mini_cardboard: a 4% keyboard build log and how keyboards work: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1328547-mini_cardboard-a-4-keyboard-build-log-and-how-keyboards-work/

Link to comment
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1087535-yolo-necrobuilder-here/#findComment-12757165
Share on other sites
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted
  • Author
On 7/28/2019 at 5:52 PM, Minibois said:

AMD FX topic

Back here.

Checked my local market for those as well, prices ain't that good. Assuming I would need to regear whole rig for ddr4 and 500W PSU as well, I found some quite decent solution to buy CPU on Ali for 33 bux (w/ shipment) and get mobo for another 50 bux as well. Lower than 100 bux, but I need to wait for delievery. Yeah, I know asus mobo isn't that cool, but meh. Ain't gotta mine crypto on it. 

Plus, gotta order 500W PSU (23$) later on, since I suspect my native can get rly nasty even if TDP of FX would be lover than my A8 can chew. Plus 4 fans to support and dancing voltage on 12v line drives me crazy. Still no clue if it even matters. 

I wanted to ask here about FX in case I missed anything. In advance I'll say that I'm going to jump onto AM4 socket later on. 

Cheap, yeah. 
 

Link to comment
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1087535-yolo-necrobuilder-here/#findComment-12765842
Share on other sites
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted
5 hours ago, Jorpe said:

Checked my local market for those as well, prices ain't that good. Assuming I would need to regear whole rig for ddr4 and 500W PSU as well, I found some quite decent solution to buy CPU on Ali for 33 bux (w/ shipment) and get mobo for another 50 bux as well. Lower than 100 bux, but I need to wait for delievery. Yeah, I know asus mobo isn't that cool, but meh. Ain't gotta mine crypto on it. 

Cheap R3 1200s exist too:

https://ru.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20190731130327&SearchText=Ryzen+3+1200&switch_new_app=y

5 hours ago, Jorpe said:

500W PSU (23$) 

I BEG YOU

NO

NOOOOO

check the psu tier list in my sig below for a good psu, get something above tier b i beg you

PSU Nerd | PC Parts Flipper | Cable Management Guru

Helpful Links: PSU Tier List | Why not group reg? | Avoid the EVGA G3

Helios EVO (Main Desktop) Intel Core™ i9-10900KF | 32GB DDR4-3000 | GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE | GeForce RTX 3060 Ti | NZXT H510 | EVGA G5 650W

 

Delta (Laptop) | Galaxy S21 Ultra | Pacific Spirit XT (Server)

Full Specs

Spoiler

 

Helios EVO (Main):

Intel Core™ i9-10900KF | 32GB G.Skill Ripjaws V / Team T-Force DDR4-3000 | GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE | MSI GAMING X GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB GPU | NZXT H510 | EVGA G5 650W | MasterLiquid ML240L | 2x 2TB HDD | 256GB SX6000 Pro SSD | 3x Corsair SP120 RGB | Fractal Design Venturi HF-14

 

Pacific Spirit XT - Server

Intel Core™ i7-8700K (Won at LTX, signed by Dennis) | GIGABYTE Z370 AORUS GAMING 5 | 16GB Team Vulcan DDR4-3000 | Intel UrfpsgonHD 630 | Define C TG | Corsair CX450M

 

Delta - Laptop

ASUS TUF Dash F15 - Intel Core™ i7-11370H | 16GB DDR4 | RTX 3060 | 500GB NVMe SSD | 200W Brick | 65W USB-PD Charger

 


 

Intel is bringing DDR4 to the mainstream with the Intel® Core™ i5 6600K and i7 6700K processors. Learn more by clicking the link in the description below.

Link to comment
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1087535-yolo-necrobuilder-here/#findComment-12766850
Share on other sites
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted
  • Author
12 hours ago, LienusLateTips said:

PSU

Meh, I set up filter to show 4 pin CPU and 4 sata PSU's and it came up with none of your tier. Either that, or I would screw in +n sata power connectors manualy, if PS unit don't have at least 3 satas. Particularly here warranty is waste of time and money in case I'm not using M.2 drive or SSD+HDD build.

Generaly, budged tier you have there is mid-end for me in terms of money. 

Found LogicPower's PSU. Is this anyhow decent to you?


If I get screwed PSU, i'm going to use soldering iron and blueprints for that thing just to fix it with spare parts and replace capacitors or whatever. 

In case you might know about it, any clue why voltage spread around mobo in such a weird pattern? Is it common? 

Link to comment
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1087535-yolo-necrobuilder-here/#findComment-12768351
Share on other sites
Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing New Builds and Planning

×