RTX 2060 Super

[tofuwannabe]

Hi guys.  I'm planning a PC build  using an i7-9700k, an RTX 2060 Super from Gigabyte and I want to use one of the H series cases, probably the H700i or the H500i. Is getting the smart part of the case even worth it?

 

However, my main question is actually which case is going to fit the RTX 2060 super. From pictures, it looks pretty long as its got 3 fans. Will it fit in the H500i or will I need to splash the extra and buy the H700i instead? 

Also, which of the H500i/H700i will come with stock coolers good enough to cool the i7-9700k at stock clock speed? I don't want to have to buy extra fans for the H500i if I could just buy the H700i and it'd come with stock fans good enough to keep the entire setup cool.

[LienusLateTips]

How long is the 2060 Super you're planning to buy? It should say on PCPartPicker and the manufacturers website.

 

Also, if you use PCPartPicker, it won't even let you select the case if the GPU is too long for it, unless you turn off the compatibility filter.

[driftz240]

4 minutes ago, LienusLateTips said:

it won't even let you select the case if the GPU is too long for it, unless you turn off the compatibility filter.

Or if it cant confirm dimensions 

 

11 minutes ago, tofuwannabe said:

Hi guys.  I'm planning a PC build  using an i7-9700k, an RTX 2060 Super from Gigabyte and I want to use one of the H series cases, probably the H700i or the H500i. 

If you dont need the 8 cores and you're pairing it up with a 2060 S, might i suggest bumping down to a 9600k (if your set on intel) or maybe even a r5 3600 to save some money.

[Brooksie359]

I am unsure why you would want to get a rtx 2060 super and a 9700k but putting that aside what do you even mean stock coolers? Do you mean stock fans? Are you planning on doing an air cooler or a liquid cooler?

[Brooksie359]

3 minutes ago, driftz240 said:

Or if it cant confirm dimensions 

 

If you dont need the 8 cores and you're pairing it up with a 2060 S, might i suggest bumping down to a 9600k (if your set on intel) or maybe even a r5 3600 to save some money.

I would not touch an i5 9600k with a ten foot pole. It's just a bad CPU. Honestly if you aren't going with a 9900k then there really is no reason to go Intel currently. 

[driftz240]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

I would not touch an i5 9600k with a ten foot pole. It's just a bad CPU. Honestly if you aren't going with a 9900k then there really is no reason to go Intel currently. 

I totally agree, i dont like intel and how they're reacting to amd ( or rather lack of reaction). And if you look at what cpu's and gpu's im using currently in my signature, I think my preference is clear lol.

[Brooksie359]

4 minutes ago, driftz240 said:

I totally agree, i dont like intel and how they're reacting to amd ( or rather lack of reaction). And if you look at what cpu's and gpu's im using currently in my signature, I think my preference is clear lol.

Yeah its sorta hard to recommend Intel unless they want maximum performance in which case anything below the 9900k doesn't really make sense. I dont really have a preference either way other than what makes the most sense. I currently run an i7 8700k but I bought the CPU when to get that level of performance it was the only option. If I was buying right now I would probably pick up a 3900x tbh. The problem I have with the 9700k is that it lacks hyperthreading which will be an issue down the line. I mean just look at the 6c 6t i5s vs 4c 8t i7. The i7 have less cores but in games like battlefield they don't have the stuttering issue that the new i5s because they have 8 threads. I see the 9700k having the same issue that the current i5s have not to far down the road. 

[driftz240]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

Yeah its sorta hard to recommend Intel unless they want maximum performance in which case anything below the 9900k doesn't really make sense. I dont really have a preference either way other than what makes the most sense. I currently run an i7 8700k but I bought the CPU when to get that level of performance it was the only option. If I was buying right now I would probably pick up a 3900x tbh. The problem I have with the 9700k is that it lacks hyperthreading which will be an issue down the line. I mean just look at the 6c 6t i5s vs 4c 8t i7. The i7 have less cores but in games like battlefield they don't have the stuttering issue that the new i5s because they have 8 threads. I see the 9700k having the same issue that the current i5s have not to far down the road. 

Yeah, intel needs to stop thinking that hyperthreading is something special and magical. AMD has smt on most of their chips and has had it for multiple generations now.

[tofuwannabe]

I don't know what the equivalent AMD CPU is to the i7-9700k, but if its cheaper and better value I might go with that instead. I have picked this intel cpu as I know the i5 isnt going to be fast enough and the games I want to play are optimised for intel.

Which AMD cpu would you guys recommend?

 

Also, I want the gigabyte 2060 super. Dimensions are 23x3x12cm. I believe it will fit in an H500i, so that's probably going to be my case.

Edited July 20, 2019 by tofuwannabe

[tofuwannabe]

Okay, so after some more price checking I reckon my 2 options are to keep my current list, OR I can change to a Ryzen 7 3700x, change the Mobo to an AORUS X570 Pro wifi, and then not have to buy a wifi adaptor or a cpu fan as the ryzen comes with one. However, the mobo is about £100 more and I'm saving £30 from cpu change, £30 from no CPU fan, and about £27 from no WiFi adapter. So the ryzen setup, while the actual CPU itself is cheaper, to get a suitable motherboard for it is more expensive overall. And while the intel core looks to be slightly better for gaming I'm leaning towards that instead of the AMD chip. Thoughts?

[KaitouX]

11 minutes ago, tofuwannabe said:

Okay, so after some more price checking I reckon my 2 options are to keep my current list, OR I can change to a Ryzen 7 3700x, change the Mobo to an AORUS X570 Pro wifi, and then not have to buy a wifi adaptor or a cpu fan as the ryzen comes with one. However, the mobo is about £100 more and I'm saving £30 from cpu change, £30 from no CPU fan, and about £27 from no WiFi adapter. So the ryzen setup, while the actual CPU itself is cheaper, to get a suitable motherboard for it is more expensive overall. And while the intel core looks to be slightly better for gaming I'm leaning towards that instead of the AMD chip. Thoughts?

X470 motherboards are cheaper and will do the job, just make sure to get one that is easy to update the BIOS if you go that route. Intel is better than AMD when playing at 1080p with a RTX 2080ti, with anything lower then the RTX 2080 or at higher resolutions most of the difference disappears. Also don't forget to consider the Ryzen 5 3600, it might do everything you need while costing less depending on your needs.

Changing the GPU might also be a option depending on a few things, the 5700xt is faster than the 2060 S while costing the same, you just have to be willing to wait a few weeks for the AIB cards or deal with a shitty blower cooler.

If you say what games you play, if you do any type of work(editing, streaming, etc) and what resolution/refresh rate is your monitor(or if you plan to buy one), people can give you better recommendations.

[tofuwannabe]

2 hours ago, KaitouX said:

X470 motherboards are cheaper and will do the job, just make sure to get one that is easy to update the BIOS if you go that route. Intel is better than AMD when playing at 1080p with a RTX 2080ti, with anything lower then the RTX 2080 or at higher resolutions most of the difference disappears. Also don't forget to consider the Ryzen 5 3600, it might do everything you need while costing less depending on your needs.

Changing the GPU might also be a option depending on a few things, the 5700xt is faster than the 2060 S while costing the same, you just have to be willing to wait a few weeks for the AIB cards or deal with a shitty blower cooler.

If you say what games you play, if you do any type of work(editing, streaming, etc) and what resolution/refresh rate is your monitor(or if you plan to buy one), people can give you better recommendations.

I'm picking up an AOCG2590FX for a monitor, so 1080p at 144hz. I'm not interested in higher resolutions. I want a nvidia GPU for sure and the 2060 super is probably the best option for me.  If I got an X470 motherboard what would I need to do, if anything, to the BIOS to get the PC to run?

 

I'm fairly certain I want an 8 core CPU though, not a 6 core, hence why I was looking at the i7 or the ryzen 7.

[KaitouX]

21 hours ago, tofuwannabe said:

I'm picking up an AOCG2590FX for a monitor, so 1080p at 144hz. I'm not interested in higher resolutions. I want a nvidia GPU for sure and the 2060 super is probably the best option for me.  If I got an X470 motherboard what would I need to do, if anything, to the BIOS to get the PC to run?

 

I'm fairly certain I want an 8 core CPU though, not a 6 core, hence why I was looking at the i7 or the ryzen 7.

Some x470 and b450 boards you can update the BIOS via USB while others need a compatible processor to do the update, you would need to make sure you get one with the ability to update the BIOS without the need for a compatible CPU or get a board from a shop that updates it for you.

The i7 9700k is around 5% faster than the Ryzen 7 3700x at games when using a 2080ti at 1080p, with the 2060S the difference will probably disappear completely, at non gaming multi-threaded workloads the 3700x is almost as fast as the 9900k. I would take the 3700x, but in general both are going to be the same.

Also if possible post a list with the parts you're going to buy to get better advises on the entire build, you can use Pcpartpicker to have a organized list that does some basic compatibility checks and post it here.

[Stormseeker9]

On 7/20/2019 at 10:24 AM, tofuwannabe said:

Okay, so after some more price checking I reckon my 2 options are to keep my current list, OR I can change to a Ryzen 7 3700x, change the Mobo to an AORUS X570 Pro wifi, and then not have to buy a wifi adaptor or a cpu fan as the ryzen comes with one. However, the mobo is about £100 more and I'm saving £30 from cpu change, £30 from no CPU fan, and about £27 from no WiFi adapter. So the ryzen setup, while the actual CPU itself is cheaper, to get a suitable motherboard for it is more expensive overall. And while the intel core looks to be slightly better for gaming I'm leaning towards that instead of the AMD chip. Thoughts?

A B450/X470 high end boards will also be enough to handle a 3700x

i would really choose the AMD route to be honest, intel’s only offering which makes sense at the moment is the 9900k

[tofuwannabe]

On 7/21/2019 at 10:56 AM, KaitouX said:

Some x470 and b450 boards you can update the BIOS via USB while others need a compatible processor to do the update, you would need to make sure you get one with the ability to update the BIOS without the need for a compatible CPU or get a board from a shop that updates it for you.

The i7 9700k is around 5% faster than the Ryzen 7 3700x at games when using a 2080ti at 1080p, with the 2060S the difference will probably disappear completely, at non gaming multi-threaded workloads the 3700x is almost as fast as the 9900k. I would take the 3700x, but in general both are going to be the same.

Also if possible post a list with the parts you're going to buy to get better advises on the entire build, you can use Pcpartpicker to have a organized list that does some basic compatibility checks and post it here.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/hz/wishlist/ls/2V7RFAIU0AKU7?ref_=wl_share

 

This is the list currently. The 2.5-3.5 adapter is for a laptop HDD. Everythimg else is fairly self explanatory. Pricing wise the 3700x build came out to be only slightly cheaper overall. Would the 3700x be better for gaming and recording simultaneously or would the extra threads not make much difference?

 

I've got a similar list on PC part picker but it doesn't have all the exact parts on the amazon list so its kinda pointless.

[tofuwannabe]

2 minutes ago, tofuwannabe said:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/hz/wishlist/ls/2V7RFAIU0AKU7?ref_=wl_share

 

This is the list currently. The 2.5-3.5 adapter is for a laptop HDD. Everythimg else is fairly self explanatory. Pricing wise the 3700x build came out to be only slightly cheaper overall. Would the 3700x be better for gaming and recording simultaneously or would the extra threads not make much difference?

 

I've got a similar list on PC part picker but it doesn't have all the exact parts on the amazon list so its kinda pointless.

For reference here is a part list with ryzen stuff.... Price is basically the same. https://www.amazon.co.uk/hz/wishlist/ls/13CSGWXN5KH98?ref_=wl_share

[KaitouX]

This would probably be a better value overall:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	£315.98 @ Aria PC
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	£109.94 @ AWD-IT
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£60.66 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Western Digital Blue 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£54.00 @ CCL Computers
Video Card	MSI GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X Video Card	£429.98 @ Box Limited
Case	NZXT H500i ATX Mid Tower Case	£99.99 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	£83.99 @ AWD-IT
Monitor	MSI Optix MAG241C 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor	£209.95 @ Amazon UK
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1364.49
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-23 20:44 BST+0100

I still would say that waiting for the AIB 5700xt cards would be better, but this build i used the 2060 S because you said you wanted it.

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Performance comparsion between the 5700XT($400) and the 2070S($500) to make my point for the 5700XT, from TechSpot:

The PSU is overkill but i was too lazy to find which PSU is the better value in the UK, and the RMx is a great PSU with a decent price, i choose the 650w over the 550w because it was only $5 more, you can read the PSU tier list to get some other options(I recommend tier B or higher for this type of build, 500W should be more than enough regarding wattage).

I personally wouldn't get a TN monitor so I added this random 144hz curved VA monitor instead as example, but you should just get what fit your needs.

I don't know anything about SSDs, so i just used that as a not too cheap, but also not too expensive placeholder.

The motherboard should be fairly easy to update according to MSI own video:

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[tofuwannabe]

1 hour ago, KaitouX said:

This would probably be a better value overall:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	£315.98 @ Aria PC
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	£109.94 @ AWD-IT
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£60.66 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Western Digital Blue 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£54.00 @ CCL Computers
Video Card	MSI GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X Video Card	£429.98 @ Box Limited
Case	NZXT H500i ATX Mid Tower Case	£99.99 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	£83.99 @ AWD-IT
Monitor	MSI Optix MAG241C 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor	£209.95 @ Amazon UK
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1364.49
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-23 20:44 BST+0100

I still would say that waiting for the AIB 5700xt cards would be better, but this build i used the 2060 S because you said you wanted it.

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Performance comparsion between the 5700XT($400) and the 2070S($500) to make my point for the 5700XT, from TechSpot:

The PSU is overkill but i was too lazy to find which PSU is the better value in the UK, and the RMx is a great PSU with a decent price, i choose the 650w over the 550w because it was only $5 more, you can read the PSU tier list to get some other options(I recommend tier B or higher for this type of build, 500W should be more than enough regarding wattage).

I personally wouldn't get a TN monitor so I added this random 144hz curved VA monitor instead as example, but you should just get what fit your needs.

I don't know anything about SSDs, so i just used that as a not too cheap, but also not too expensive placeholder.

The motherboard should be fairly easy to update according to MSI own video:

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I don't want a curved monitor, and Ive already got an AOC monitor so I thought the AOC G2590FX  would be good value as 144hz, g sync compatitible and matching what Ive already got. 

 

Your build looks about £120 cheaper maybe but I'm still losing gaming power with the ryzen 7, and I need to buy a seperate wifi adaptor if the motherboard doesn't have wifi on it to start with.

[KaitouX]

You aren't losing gaming power with the ryzen 7, you have 2060S not a 2080TI, and like said by other users the Ryzen probably have a longer useful life due to the extra threads plus extra performance in multi-threaded workloads.

Now the build have wifi:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	£315.98 @ Aria PC
Motherboard	MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard	£124.76 @ Amazon UK
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£60.66 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Western Digital Blue 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£54.00 @ CCL Computers
Video Card	MSI GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X Video Card	£429.98 @ Box Limited
Case	NZXT H500i ATX Mid Tower Case	£105.46 @ Scan.co.uk
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	£83.99 @ AWD-IT
Monitor	AOC G2590FX 24.5" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor	£188.62 @ Box Limited
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1363.45
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-23 22:47 BST+0100

 

[tofuwannabe]

8 hours ago, KaitouX said:

You aren't losing gaming power with the ryzen 7, you have 2060S not a 2080TI, and like said by other users the Ryzen probably have a longer useful life due to the extra threads plus extra performance in multi-threaded workloads.

Now the build have wifi:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	£315.98 @ Aria PC
Motherboard	MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard	£124.76 @ Amazon UK
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£60.66 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Western Digital Blue 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£54.00 @ CCL Computers
Video Card	MSI GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X Video Card	£429.98 @ Box Limited
Case	NZXT H500i ATX Mid Tower Case	£105.46 @ Scan.co.uk
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	£83.99 @ AWD-IT
Monitor	AOC G2590FX 24.5" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor	£188.62 @ Box Limited
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1363.45
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-23 22:47 BST+0100

 

Alright, seeing as you guys know more I'll go for that. But, I might get an AOC   G2590PX instead so I can have more stand adjustments. Does the PX still do GSync?

[tofuwannabe]

On 7/23/2019 at 10:50 PM, KaitouX said:

You aren't losing gaming power with the ryzen 7, you have 2060S not a 2080TI, and like said by other users the Ryzen probably have a longer useful life due to the extra threads plus extra performance in multi-threaded workloads.

Now the build have wifi:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	£315.98 @ Aria PC
Motherboard	MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard	£124.76 @ Amazon UK
Memory	G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	£60.66 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Western Digital Blue 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£54.00 @ CCL Computers
Video Card	MSI GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X Video Card	£429.98 @ Box Limited
Case	NZXT H500i ATX Mid Tower Case	£105.46 @ Scan.co.uk
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	£83.99 @ AWD-IT
Monitor	AOC G2590FX 24.5" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor	£188.62 @ Box Limited
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1363.45
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-23 22:47 BST+0100

 

Also, surely I should get a 3 fan 2060 super as it'll have higher clock speeds? Like the Aorus/gigabyte 2060 super?

 

 

Or is it worth £65 more for a 2070 super?

[LauriHimself]

2 hours ago, tofuwannabe said:

Or is it worth £65 more for a 2070 super?

If you do not mind buying used hardware, I would strongly recommend to look for a used 2070. I actually planned to wait for 2060 super too, but then got a 2070 for 360€. At least you could check if there are some offerings near you,as many people are upgrading their GPUs due to the new launches. 

[Gohardgrandpa]

On 7/24/2019 at 2:12 AM, tofuwannabe said:

Alright, seeing as you guys know more I'll go for that. But, I might get an AOC   G2590PX instead so I can have more stand adjustments. Does the PX still do GSync?

I have the monitor you were talking about getting the g2590fx. I got it when nvidia put out the list of Gsync compatible monitors so I’ve had it a while now. The monitor isn’t bad at all, I honestly have no complaints about it. If you need height adjustment you can sit it on something or put it on a arm like I did and have total adjustment.