Upgrading from a GTX 960?

[purshaq]

My current PC specifications are I7-6700, GTX 960, MSI z170a, DDR4-2400 8GB x2, 2TB WD Black, and PSU: CX 500.

I use my PC for 3d modeling and rendering with Sketchup, 3Ds max, Revit, Archicad , Blender, UE 4, and Lumion. Sometimes I use Premier and After effects for my project.
I have a plan to upgrade my GTX 960. My choice is GTX 980Ti, GTX 1070Ti, or GTX 1660Ti, or maybe I can use RTX 2060 but I have to wait until next year.

What is the best that I can choose?
is that any bottleneck with my current spec if i choose GTX 1660Ti? 
any suggestions? Thank you for your attention.

[Oalei]

how about Vega 64?

[purshaq]

35 minutes ago, Oalei said:

how about Vega 64?

oh, never think about steping to red side. Thankyou, I consider it. But, if I choose it, am I need to upgrade some of my hardware? like PSU?

[Oalei]

3 minutes ago, purshaq said:

oh, never think about steping to red side. Thankyou, I consider it. But, if I choose it, am I need to upgrade some of my hardware? like PSU?

You gotta change it anyway it's too old and bad quality, get CX550 it's cheap and decent. Everything else is ok.

[purshaq]

9 minutes ago, Oalei said:

You gotta change it anyway it's too old and bad quality, get CX550 it's cheap and decent. Everything else is ok.

Thank you for your advice, I appreciate that.

 

Oh yes, 1 more question, is there a problem if I change my graphics card to the current generation like RTX? like I need to upgrade the motherboard because of RTX used new architecture and GDDR6 or something?

[Oalei]

2 minutes ago, purshaq said:

Thank you for your advice, I appreciate that.

 

Oh yes, 1 more question, is there a problem if I change my graphics card to the current generation like RTX? like I need to upgrade the motherboard because of RTX used new architecture and GDDR6 or something?

No you don't it's just bandwidth difference between GDDR5, GDDR3 and GDDR6 so you don't have to worry, even Vega using HBM2

[Radioactive Snowman]

1 minute ago, purshaq said:

Thank you for your advice, I appreciate that.

 

Oh yes, 1 more question, is there a problem if I change my graphics card to the current generation like RTX? like I need to upgrade the motherboard because of RTX used new architecture and GDDR6 or something?

No your motherboard is fine, I would also recommend vega 64 (or 56 if youre on a tighter budget). I use a vega 64 in my system and its a monster, I get around 115 fps in world war z maxed out at 1440p. Witcher 3 is between 50 and 60 at 1440p with all settings maxed (including hairworks)

[Princess Luna]

1 hour ago, purshaq said:

I use my PC for 3d modeling and rendering with Sketchup, 3Ds max, Revit, Archicad , Blender, UE 4, and Lumion. Sometimes I use Premier and After effects for my project.

A better CPU makes more sense than a newer GPU if I'm honest...

[Jon Jon]

I think the GTX 1660ti is a great choice as it's not a power guzzler, is a massive upgrade from your GTX 960, and you still get the new Turing NVENC.

 

I highly recommend running through some of the indepth articles from Puget Systems on comparisons of these graphics cards in the workloads you are considering:

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/all_articles.php

 

Is your GTX 960 a 2GB or 4GB model? I can see the 2GB model choking on some of your workloads.

EDIT: I didn't ask. What is your primary reason for wanting to upgrade? What bottlenecks are you seeing?

[purshaq]

12 hours ago, Oalei said:

You gotta change it anyway it's too old and bad quality, get CX550 it's cheap and decent. Everything else is ok.

Ok, once again, Thank you very much, you are very helping me.

12 hours ago, Radioactive Snowman said:

No your motherboard is fine, I would also recommend vega 64 (or 56 if youre on a tighter budget). I use a vega 64 in my system and its a monster, I get around 115 fps in world war z maxed out at 1440p. Witcher 3 is between 50 and 60 at 1440p with all settings maxed (including hairworks)

Thankyou, I consider it.

12 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

A better CPU makes more sense than a newer GPU if I'm honest...

But, I heard my friend say that I need to update something if I change my CPU to the current generation.

[Troika]

If you're dead set on sticking on team green, you could probably pick up a 1080 for around $300~330 USD depending on the specific model and how much you haggle. Here's one on the r/hardwareswap market.

Either way, I'd definitely upgrade to a newer PSU. Something like an EVGA GQ 650w or Cooler Master MWE 750w would be pretty solid options, both 80+ gold, good quality, good warranty and both sub $80 USD. The Cooler Master one is a bit better since its fully modular and gives an extra 100w of power headroom.

[purshaq]

8 hours ago, Jon Jon said:

I think the GTX 1660ti is a great choice as it's not a power guzzler, is a massive upgrade from your GTX 960, and you still get the new Turing NVENC.

 

I highly recommend running through some of the indepth articles from Puget Systems on comparisons of these graphics cards in the workloads you are considering:

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/all_articles.php

 

Is your GTX 960 a 2GB or 4GB model? I can see the 2GB model choking on some of your workloads.

EDIT: I didn't ask. What is your primary reason for wanting to upgrade? What bottlenecks are you seeing?

OH Thank you!!! thats articles is really helpful.

My GTX 960 is 2GB, inno3d iChill GeForce GTX 960 2GB X3 Ultra.
When I built my PC, I told the shopkeeper that I needed a PC that have durability if I used a week without turning it off. And he give me that because it have a good cooling system and make my PC doesn't heat up fast.

 

I currently use Sketchup, Revit, and Lumion to work on my project, I'm still studying other software because my friend recommended it.

The main reason I want to update is to speed up my work, especially for rendering. I saw on the Lumion website that I needed a good GPU that had 6 GB or more of memory for the recommended requirement. I currently use Lumion 6, and I plan to buy Lumion 9, so I need to split my money.

 

For 3d modeling, the problem starts when my object is too complex. I need to make the entire site with several buildings in it or the finished building full of furniture, it starting to laggy.
For drawing with AutoCAD, Revit or Archicad, same as 3d modeling. The problem starts when my object is too complex.

 

the bottlenecks I mean is  I hear information from my friend that I need to upgrade the motherboard if I want to upgrade to current generation GPU because of RTX used new architecture and GDDR6 or something.

[Troika]

2 hours ago, purshaq said:

he bottlenecks I mean is  I hear information from my friend that I need to upgrade the motherboard if I want to upgrade to current generation GPU because of RTX used new architecture and GDDR6 or something.

You don't need a new motherboard to support new graphics cards, the issue is if your cpu is too old then that will bottleneck your gpu. You have an i7 6700, it should still be plenty strong enough for rendering, though, jumping up to something newer, be that a Ryzen 5 or better or a newer i7, should improve performance either way. Rendering can be memory intensive too so adding more ram could be beneficial too. 1st gen Threadripper is pretty cheap now too, a 1900X (8 core/16 threads) is $290. A R7 1700 is also about the same price, either would be great for a rendering station on a budget. Buying either used would make them cheaper as well.

[Oalei]

5 hours ago, purshaq said:

Ok, once again, Thank you very much, you are very helping me.

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No you don't it's just bandwidth difference between GDDR5, GDDR3 and GDDR6 so you don't have to worry, even Vega using HBM2

 

 

i dont think i say it twice tbh.

[SavageNeo]

Vega has 64 has A lot of cuda cores, so for rendering its good and for gaming, Well 1070ti Will Beat it, but In amd tiyles like world war z it Will run faster than any nvidia gpu for that price point. 

[mkU1tra762]

Does your system have an SSD? I would add that ASAP if it does not. Otherwise I would recommend getting a 1070ti for your card.

[ThePD]

12 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

Vega has 64 has A lot of cuda cores, so for rendering its good and for gaming, Well 1070ti Will Beat it, but In amd tiyles like world war z it Will run faster than any nvidia gpu for that price point. 

Vega 64 has 0 CUDA cores. CUDA is Nvidia. You are thinking of AMD's Stream Processors which effectively do the same thing as CUDA.

[SavageNeo]

3 minutes ago, ThePD said:

Vega 64 has 0 CUDA cores. CUDA is Nvidia. You are thinking of AMD's Stream Processors which effectively do the same thing as CUDA.

Sorry my bad, i was thinkig about the stream Processors

[ImAyaanKhan]

18 hours ago, purshaq said:

OH Thank you!!! thats articles is really helpful.

My GTX 960 is 2GB, inno3d iChill GeForce GTX 960 2GB X3 Ultra.
When I built my PC, I told the shopkeeper that I needed a PC that have durability if I used a week without turning it off. And he give me that because it have a good cooling system and make my PC doesn't heat up fast.

 

I currently use Sketchup, Revit, and Lumion to work on my project, I'm still studying other software because my friend recommended it.

The main reason I want to update is to speed up my work, especially for rendering. I saw on the Lumion website that I needed a good GPU that had 6 GB or more of memory for the recommended requirement. I currently use Lumion 6, and I plan to buy Lumion 9, so I need to split my money.

 

For 3d modeling, the problem starts when my object is too complex. I need to make the entire site with several buildings in it or the finished building full of furniture, it starting to laggy.
For drawing with AutoCAD, Revit or Archicad, same as 3d modeling. The problem starts when my object is too complex.

 

the bottlenecks I mean is  I hear information from my friend that I need to upgrade the motherboard if I want to upgrade to current generation GPU because of RTX used new architecture and GDDR6 or something.

Your lag is most likely due to a lack of VRAM. 2gb of VRAM is a bit too little for larger workloads, so make sure you get at least 6-8gb VRAM, so as to better serve you for you 3d modeling

[purshaq]

21 hours ago, Oalei said:

i dont think i say it twice tbh.

I mean that you are already help me twice, so thankyou 

[purshaq]

9 hours ago, SavageNeo said:

Vega has 64 has A lot of cuda cores, so for rendering its good and for gaming, Well 1070ti Will Beat it, but In amd tiyles like world war z it Will run faster than any nvidia gpu for that price point. 

Sometimes I playing game like MHW, GTA V, R6, The Forest, and PUBG, with very low graphic setting because I need get higher FPS. Only GTA V and the forest I can costumize the setting because I want to enjoy the game altough only 30-40 FPS for GTA V and 60 FPS for The Forest. 

 

9 hours ago, mkU1tra762 said:

Does your system have an SSD? I would add that ASAP if it does not. Otherwise I would recommend getting a 1070ti for your card.

At first I used ssd, Patriot Blast 240GB, but it's broken, I don't know why. So I refund that SSD and sell it because it exchanged for new ones. Curently I only use WD Black 2TB.

[purshaq]

8 hours ago, ImAyaanKhan said:

Your lag is most likely due to a lack of VRAM. 2gb of VRAM is a bit too little for larger workloads, so make sure you get at least 6-8gb VRAM, so as to better serve you for you 3d modeling

Yeah, I think I need a bigger VRAM, for 8GB I can Get 1070 or 1070ti, their difference is on CUDA Cores, Is that realy necessary for 3D modelling and rendering? If is not, I will take the 1070 one and safe my money for PSU, But if CUDA Cores is necessary and make a big difference, I will take 1070ti.

[ImAyaanKhan]

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Yeah, I think I need a bigger VRAM, for 8GB I can Get 1070 or 1070ti, their difference is on CUDA Cores, Is that realy necessary for 3D modelling and rendering? If is not, I will take the 1070 one and safe my money for PSU, But if CUDA Cores is necessary and make a big difference, I will take 1070ti.

I wouldn't recommend using a GTX card for CAD design, as the drivers tend to freeze up and severely affect your performance.

See linus's video on this, it's got lots of really useful info.

It also looks like a quadro 2000 5gb would be a better option for you, as quadros are MUCH more optimized for this kind of workload. On the other hand, if you're going to be doing both gaming and CAD design, a vega 56 would be the perfect option for you. Hope this helped!

[Jon Jon]

On 5/29/2019 at 8:36 PM, purshaq said:

OH Thank you!!! thats articles is really helpful.

My GTX 960 is 2GB, inno3d iChill GeForce GTX 960 2GB X3 Ultra.
When I built my PC, I told the shopkeeper that I needed a PC that have durability if I used a week without turning it off. And he give me that because it have a good cooling system and make my PC doesn't heat up fast.

 

I currently use Sketchup, Revit, and Lumion to work on my project, I'm still studying other software because my friend recommended it.

The main reason I want to update is to speed up my work, especially for rendering. I saw on the Lumion website that I needed a good GPU that had 6 GB or more of memory for the recommended requirement. I currently use Lumion 6, and I plan to buy Lumion 9, so I need to split my money.

 

For 3d modeling, the problem starts when my object is too complex. I need to make the entire site with several buildings in it or the finished building full of furniture, it starting to laggy.
For drawing with AutoCAD, Revit or Archicad, same as 3d modeling. The problem starts when my object is too complex.

 

the bottlenecks I mean is  I hear information from my friend that I need to upgrade the motherboard if I want to upgrade to current generation GPU because of RTX used new architecture and GDDR6 or something.

I assume you are on a budget?

 

If so, I would consider getting an rx 570 8gb as they are bargain basement priced right now.

 

That and another 16gb ddr4 ram kit will end up costing you similar as getting a higher end graphics card alone (gtx  1660ti / rx 590 territory).

 

Your CPU is a bottle neck for sure, but you cant do much with 2gb vram in complex workloads. You're complaining about preview rendering, and that would be all vram and ram limitaition.

 

I would also recommend a budget SSD to run your windows os and applications on. You can keep your project files on the wd blacks. That's what they are designed for.

 

You can do all of that for easily under $300, the cost of a single high end graphics card, but these 3 items are vastly more important for your workload.