Which GPU for my PSU?

[IAmAndre]

Hi,

 

I recently bought a 400W BeQuiet! PSU and I want to upgrade my GTX 750. I'm now interested in a Vega 56 to pair with my Ryzen 5 2600X. Would the power supply be enough for it?

 

Thanks

[wojtepanik]

I think it would be on the edge, as the Vega might get power hungry, 1660ti maybe ?

 

[wojtepanik]

Just now, wojtepanik said:

I think it would be on the edge, as the Vega might get power hungry, 1660ti maybe ?

 

especially for gaming GTX will be better than Vega

[Turtle Rig]

6 minutes ago, IAmAndre said:

Hi,

 

I recently bought a 400W BeQuiet! PSU and I want to upgrade my GTX 750. I'm now interested in a Vega 56 to pair with my Ryzen 5 2600X. Would the power supply be enough for it?

 

Thanks

Your draw while gaming takes about 300w and close to 400w.  Your barely making it.  Drop the Vega and you will be close to 400w while gaming.  it is a close call.  I suggest you grab the Vega and let us know what happens.  Also wojtepaniK is correct grab a GTX 1660Ti and don't look back.

[Lagercat1]

Youll be pushing it with a Vega 56 try like a 1660 ti or maybe 2060? (2060 is not super power hungry)

[Herman Mcpootis]

i'd say it wouldn't be enough, bump it to a 500-550w psu or get an RTX 2060 instead.

 

[flibberdipper]

25 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Your draw while gaming takes about 300w and close to 400w.  Your barely making it.  Drop the Vega and you will be close to 400w while gaming.  it is a close call.  I suggest you grab the Vega and let us know what happens.  Also wojtepaniK is correct grab a GTX 1660Ti and don't look back.

If you think he's drawing 300 watts with a 2600 and a 750 you should really take a step back and reconsider the garbage you spewed. Given the fact that my 3770 and 1050Ti draw less than 240 watts, and a 3770 and overclocked GTX 480 draw less than 400...

[Turtle Rig]

11 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

If you think he's drawing 300 watts with a 2600 and a 750 you should really take a step back and reconsider. Considering the fact that my 3770 and 1050Ti draw less than 240 watts, and a 3770 and overclocked GTX 480 draw less than 400...

He will be fine with a 400w. if he chooses the 1660Ti.  However if it was me I would drop a 500w PSU to give you some headroom in the future if you want to OC the CPU and the GPU.  Or you buy a 3080 in the future then for sure go with a 500w so the PSU isn't huffing and puffing.  Like fibberdipper said you will make it, but I personally like giving the PSU some headroom.

[boey]

42 minutes ago, IAmAndre said:

Hi,

 

I recently bought a 400W BeQuiet! PSU and I want to upgrade my GTX 750. I'm now interested in a Vega 56 to pair with my Ryzen 5 2600X. Would the power supply be enough for it?

 

Thanks

Vega is super power hungry so 400W might be pushing it. PCPartpicker says v56 and 2600x alone takes about 320W(this is with TDP ratings, card may or may not pull more power than TDP) so there is very little headroom left. 1660Ti is better choice as it provides more headroom for power and is same performance

[Stefan Payne]

41 minutes ago, IAmAndre said:

Hi,

 

I recently bought a 400W BeQuiet! PSU and I want to upgrade my GTX 750. I'm now interested in a Vega 56 to pair with my Ryzen 5 2600X. Would the power supply be enough for it?

 

Thanks

Probably not.

Either it works or switches off. Since be quiet is pretty good in the protection department its not very likely...

Though it might be possible, if you run the Card with -50% Powertarget.

[IAmAndre]

42 minutes ago, wojtepanik said:

I think it would be on the edge, as the Vega might get power hungry, 1660ti maybe ?

 

 

40 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Your draw while gaming takes about 300w and close to 400w.  Your barely making it.  Drop the Vega and you will be close to 400w while gaming.  it is a close call.  I suggest you grab the Vega and let us know what happens.  Also wojtepaniK is correct grab a GTX 1660Ti and don't look back.

 

28 minutes ago, Lagercat1 said:

Youll be pushing it with a Vega 56 try like a 1660 ti or maybe 2060? (2060 is not super power hungry)

 

28 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

i'd say it wouldn't be enough, bump it to a 500-550w psu or get an RTX 2060 instead.

 

 

6 minutes ago, _d0nut said:

Vega is super power hungry so 400W might be pushing it. PCPartpicker says v56 and 2600x alone takes about 320W(this is with TDP ratings, card may or may not pull more power than TDP) so there is very little headroom left. 1660Ti is better choice as it provides more headroom for power and is same performance

Actually I have the following options:

• Vega 56 for €260
• 1660 Ti + €20 Steam credit card for €310
• 1660 Ti + 250GB SSD for €340
• 1660 for €230

I am leaning towards the 1660 but what do you think? Is it the best value, especially for someone who likes to keep the same hardware for years?

 

[IAmAndre]

7 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Though it might be possible, if you run the Card with -50% Powertarget

What's that?

Also I'm gaming at 1080p 60 FPS, and not all my games are recent. Like I'm still playing the original Dishonored and Watch Dog games. Therefore I don't need the game to run at crazy high frame rates so would capping the frame rate at 60 reduce power consumption?

I also saw that the Vega has a "balanced" power profile. Would it help to use it?

[Turtle Rig]

5 minutes ago, IAmAndre said:

 

 

 

 

Actually I have the following options:

• Vega 56 for €260
• 1660 Ti + €20 Steam credit card for €310
• 1660 Ti + 250GB SSD for €340
• 1660 for €230

I am leaning towards the 1660 but what do you think? Is it the best value, especially for someone who likes to keep the same hardware for years?

 

You will enjoy 60fps with barely any dips.  How will it fair 2 or 3 years from now, no one knows.  As DX12 becomes the norm then the 1660 will run it fine but expect some dips, but that is what freesync is for.  Also Im assuming your running at 1080p.

[Fasauceome]

1 hour ago, wojtepanik said:

especially for gaming GTX will be better than Vega

Lolwut? No, GTX isn't better than Vega for gaming.

[Stefan Payne]

10 minutes ago, IAmAndre said:

What's that?

Its an Option in the AMD Control Panel.

You have first three "Performance/Watt" Profiles:
Power Save, Balanced and Turbo.

You can also go to Custom, Scroll a bit down and see "Powerlimit" in %.

You can change that from -50% to +50%.

10 minutes ago, IAmAndre said:

Also I'm gaming at 1080p 60 FPS, and not all my games are recent. Like I'm still playing the original Dishonored and Watch Dog games. Therefore I don't need the game to run at crazy high frame rates so would capping the frame rate at 60 reduce power consumption?

I also saw that the Vega has a "balanced" power profile. Would it help to use it?

Yes, that would greatly reduce the Powerconsumption.

Something that people don't talk about.

 

In some lighter games we're talking about up to 200W Total System Power Consumption diferences (or rather 300W with my VEGA64 in some extreme cases) between VSync at 60Hz and VSYNC OFF.

59 minutes ago, wojtepanik said:

especially for gaming GTX will be better than Vega

Could you pls stop the FUD?!
That's total nonsense and couldn't be further from the Truth...

 

Oh and inb4 driver nonsense:
RTX Inventory Crash in Tom Clancy's Wildlands...

57 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Your draw while gaming takes about 300w and close to 400w.  Your barely making it.  Drop the Vega and you will be close to 400w while gaming.  it is a close call.  I suggest you grab the Vega and let us know what happens. 

The whole System, not the Card.

The Card itself is somewhere in the low-mid 200W.

But you know it better than AMD, eh?

 

AMD Spec:

Typical Board Power (Desktop): 210 W

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/radeon-rx-vega-56

57 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Also wojtepaniK is correct grab a GTX 1660Ti and don't look back.

No, he's wrong and couldn't be further from the truth.

 

But hey, what about this:

https://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/world-war-z-test-gpu-cpu

 

click on VULKAN.

Your beloved 1660ti got beaten by an RX470 in that situation. The VEGA 56 is ~60fps faster, from 91 to 149...

 

Even with DX11, the VEGA56 beats the 1660ti by a mile: 124fps for the VEGA; 97 for the 1660ti.

The RX 580/8GiB is also at around 91fps in that game - around the same as a 1070/8GiB...

 

19 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

As DX12 becomes the norm then the 1660 will run it fine but 

...VEGA might run better when the Game isn't nVidia Optimized  or comes from Consoles...

[Princess Luna]

I understand telling OP to go GTX 1660 for the power efficiency trying to make the PSU work out, and personally speaking the GTX 1660 should be enough for 1080p60fps by all means being a card that nearly reaches GTX 1070 performance level.

 

Vega 56 however is obviously a more powerful card but that power comes at the cost of more power draw to the point your PSU may not suffice.

 

This video shows how well the V56 has improved since it's release, optimizations driver wise and cuts in price have made the card a really compelling option nowadays:

 

But like said the power consumption will be significantly higher than a GTX 1660, so you may be limited to it not because it's a better product but simply because you don't have a PSU to pair with it.

[boey]

1 hour ago, IAmAndre said:

What's that?

Also I'm gaming at 1080p 60 FPS

1660 should push 1080p 60fps no problem, probably on high-ultra settings in many cases. I'd use the spare money to invest in an SSD.

 

What ram do you have now?(Speed, capacity, number of sticks)

[Stefan Payne]

13 minutes ago, _d0nut said:

1660 should push 1080p 60fps no problem,

Even RX570/8GiB should be able to do that on High Settings.

So that is not something exiting. That's something normal.

 

13 minutes ago, _d0nut said:

probably on high-ultra settings in many cases. I'd use the spare money to invest in an SSD.

...wich the VEGA56 also can do.

What you are not talking about or ignoring is the raw power wich is far behind the VEGA56...

 

Even Techpowerup says that VEGA 56 is ~14% faster than 1660 in their weird diagram.

And there is an instance that shows what could happen if a Game is well optimized (for AMD): the RX580 beats the shit out of the 1660...

 

Here the Info:

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1660.c3365

 

13 minutes ago, _d0nut said:

What ram do you have now?(Speed, capacity, number of sticks)

Does that really matter??

[IAmAndre]

Actually I'm seeing interesting results here : https://techreport.com/review/32391/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-and-rx-vega-56-graphics-cards-reviewed/11

 

These numbers are for the whole which also has 7700K so I should expect similar results with my 2600X. The total system load is about 350W when playing Hitman on the Turbo profile, and switching to Balanced can save 30W for a 3 FPS drop. The energy saving profile can save an extra 20W. Considering that in all profiles the game still runs above 60 fps, I can expect an even lower power draw by capping the frame rate at 60.

So does this mean that I'm good to go? @Stefan Payne @_d0nut @Princess Cadence @fasauceome

 

Edit: The resolution but it seems like it's in 1440p while I'll be playing at 1080p.

[boey]

18 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Does that really matter??

op asked if he should get 2600x, if he has 1x8gb 2133 mhz ram then it'll defo bottleneck the cpu, so op needs to make sure he has 2 sticks of ram at >=3000mhz

[IAmAndre]

5 minutes ago, _d0nut said:

op asked if he should get 2600x, if he has 1x8gb 2133 mhz ram then it'll defo bottleneck the cpu, so op needs to make sure he has 2 sticks of ram at >=3000mhz

I might have said it wrong but I already have the CPU and I'm only looking to upgrade the GPU.  I have 2 sticks of 8GB DDR4 at 3200MHz.

[boey]

4 minutes ago, IAmAndre said:

I might have said it wrong but I already have the CPU and I'm only looking to upgrade the GPU.  I have 2 sticks of 8GB DDR4 at 3200MHz.

ah, okay i misread. my bad. the ram is fine

 

[IAmAndre]

Can anyone explain why the 580 appears to consume more power than the Vega 56 in this chart? https://www.techspot.com/review/1468-amd-radeon-rx-vega-56/page8.html

[Stefan Payne]

6 minutes ago, IAmAndre said:

Can anyone explain why the 580 appears to consume more power than the Vega 56 in this chart? https://www.techspot.com/review/1468-amd-radeon-rx-vega-56/page8.html

it looks like its reference V56.

But I don't know wich 580 was used.

 

That said, its possible that the V56 was limited by the Cooler because it reached the Temperature Limit.

It might also be that they used an aftermarket 580 with a high TDP...

 

So not sure.

[IAmAndre]

10 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

it looks like its reference V56.

But I don't know wich 580 was used.

 

That said, its possible that the V56 was limited by the Cooler because it reached the Temperature Limit.

It might also be that they used an aftermarket 580 with a high TDP...

 

So not sure.

Okay can you check my previous message?