FPS in Shadow of The Tomb Raider

[Ankerson]

Just now, CrazySnake96 said:

then i have no idea what my issue is

 

That's with a 2070....

 

The 2080 is too much for the 2700X at 1080P.

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, CrazySnake96 said:

then i have no idea what my issue is

 

Just now, CrazySnake96 said:

Oh i do run everything at Ultra btw

 

You're getting about what I'm seeing on other websites then. When you say " 25 - 29% capacity", where are you getting this value from?

[CrazySnake96]

Just now, Mira Yurizaki said:

 

You're getting about what I'm seeing on other websites then. When you say " 25 - 29% capacity", where are you getting this value from?

Task manager

 

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, Ankerson said:

That's with a 2070....

 

The 2080 is too much for the 2700X at 1080P.

A CPU bottleneck would indicate a maximum frame rate. At 1080p low settings, if an RTX 2070 can get 192 FPS on SotTR, then so can an RTX 2080. Similarly on 1080p high settings, if an RTX 2070 can get 100FPS, so can an RTX 2080.

 

All swapping a GPU out for a more powerful one means you have more graphics rendering headroom, it doesn't increase the burden on the CPU aside from it needing to push more render commands out if you're aiming for a higher performance target.

[Ankerson]

I get more than that on my other machine with a GTX 1080/8700K at 1080P.

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, CrazySnake96 said:

Task manager

 

What value specifically?

[CrazySnake96]

3 minutes ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

What value specifically?

Take a look for yourself
Please ignore my stupid screen setup

[Ankerson]

Run the bench mark without RT on at 1080P and post the screenshot.

 

 

[Princess Luna]

11 minutes ago, CrazySnake96 said:

Task Manager

That is the most unreliable method to check usage, use MSi Afterburner.

[CrazySnake96]

yes sir

[Ankerson]

12 minutes ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

A CPU bottleneck would indicate a maximum frame rate. At 1080p low settings, if an RTX 2070 can get 192 FPS on SotTR, then so can an RTX 2080. Similarly on 1080p high settings, if an RTX 2070 can get 100FPS, so can an RTX 2080.

 

All swapping a GPU out for a more powerful one means you have more graphics rendering headroom, it doesn't increase the burden on the CPU aside from it needing to push more render commands out if you're aiming for a higher performance target.

 

SOTTR is no joke, I know because I play it, crank up those settings and it's extremely demanding.

 

That's even if the CPU can keep up with the GPU, his bottleneck is making it much worse.

[CrazySnake96]

8 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

Run the bench mark without RT on at 1080P and post the screenshot.

 

 

here you go

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, Ankerson said:

SOTTR is no joke, I know because I play it, crank up those settings and it's extremly demanding.

 

That's even if the CPU can keep up with the GPU, his bottleneck is making it much worse.

And if you crank up the settings that puts the demand mostly on the GPU, not the CPU. So if an RTX 2070 with a Ryzen 2700X can achieve those numbers, so can an RTX 2080 with a Ryzen 2700X.
 

[Ankerson]

Yeah, massive CPU bottleneck.

 

 

[CrazySnake96]

Just now, Ankerson said:

Yeah, massive CPU bottleneck.

 

 

that makes no sense though, i have the best ryzen that they make currently, yes its not a thread ripper as i am not rich but its still decent 

[Ankerson]

2 minutes ago, CrazySnake96 said:

that makes no sense though, i have the best ryzen that they make currently, yes its not a thread ripper as i am not rich but its still decent 

 

AMD doesn't make a CPU that can keep up with your GPU at 1080P.

 

Threadripper is worse at gaming.

 

You need to get a 1440P Monitor.

 

 

[CrazySnake96]

Just now, Ankerson said:

 

AMD doesn't make a CPU that can keep up with your GPU at 1080P.

 

 

so what im supposed to completely scrap my build?
i can barly afford a new screen at $150 let alone buy a whole new build!

[Ankerson]

1 minute ago, CrazySnake96 said:

so what im supposed to completely scrap my build?
i can barly afford a new screen at $150 let alone buy a whole new build!

 

It's fine, just not for 1080P.

 

 

[CrazySnake96]

right so if i set my monitor to 1440p would i get a better fps?

[Mira Yurizaki]

@CrazySnake96

So let's back up. I think it's helpful to understand what Task Manager really reports rather than brushing it off as "unreliable", because even seasoned programmers seem to misunderstand what "CPU Utilization" means.

 

The GPU needs to expose statistics to the OS, which in Windows land they call "Engines." These Engines are responsible for some part of the GPU, like 3D, compute, copying data, etc. For whatever reason, Microsoft decided that Task Manager can only show 4 of these Engines at once and the defaults are the ones you see. There's more going on in games other than rendering 3D, like copying data and running compute tasks. Those won't show up on the 3D engine because that's not 3D work.

 

However it's up in the air whether or not NVIDIA exposed the RT and tensor cores in the RTX cards as part of the 3D engine or something else, or if they even get reported at all. So if it's the case that the RT and tensor cores do not count towards the 3D engine, then it would make sense for the 3D utilization to be lower than expected because the GPU is spending a non-trivial amount of time doing the ray tracing, using compute engines to denoise it, and if you have DLSS enabled, the tensor cores are at work processing the final image.

 

Other tools that report GPU usage like MSI Afterburner or GPU-z tap into NVAPI on NVIDIA cards to grab statistics, and these may not be the same as what Task Manager uses. i.e., these tools use what the driver reports (I would think so), not what the OS reports.

 

See https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/gpus-in-the-task-manager/ for more details about the GPU page in Task Manager.

[Ankerson]

Just now, CrazySnake96 said:

right so if i set my monitor to 1440p would i get a better fps?

 

The Bottleneck will be gone.

 

But the FPS will be more in line with what it will do at 1440P.

 

You won't be seeing that 29 FPS crap.

[CrazySnake96]

1 minute ago, Ankerson said:

 

The Bottleneck will be gone.

 

But the FPS will be more in line with what it will do at 1440P.

 

You won't be seeing that 29 FPS crap.

ill give it a go

and ill send screenshot

 

[martward]

It's not a CPU bottleneck... If you get 30-40fps with rayracing and 70-80fps without raytracing then obviously it's not the CPU that is not keeping up. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Probably there is a setting somewhere or a driver issue that is holding back the GPU. 

I would install MSI afterburner and use it's OSD to get a better reading of the GPU and CPU while gaming, since the task manager is not that reliable afaik. 

[CrazySnake96]

11 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

The Bottleneck will be gone.

 

But the FPS will be more in line with what it will do at 1440P.

 

You won't be seeing that 29 FPS crap.

No i try running it in 1440p and i can use ray tracing at but it crashes because emulation i think because only a 1080p monitor

[Ankerson]

Here is my other PC at 1080P, GTX 1080 and 8700K 

 

MAX Settings at 1080P Same settings as yours including the SMAA4X