asus strix rtx 2060 or sapphire nitro+ vega 64

[Sylthrim]

the sapphire vega 64 costs 440€ and the asus strix rtx 2060 costs 400€. Is the 40 euro increase worth it for the vega? I mostly only play in 1080p. 

[MeatFeastMan]

For 1080p it doesn't really matter which of those two you get.

 

If you care about Ray Tracing, go get the rtx 2060. But if you want your gpu to last longer, vega 64 is the better option as it has 2gb more vram and hbcc which will allow it to maintain consistent frames years down the line. The 2060 will struggle in a few years at 1080p as games are around 4-5gb vram right now.

 

Also, look out for good prices on the strix vega 64. You get 6 games (yes, 6!) with it. Same goes for the cheaper strix vega 56 too.

 

I'd get the vega 64 for a bit more, it'll last a year or two longer than the 2060 because of the vram.

Edited March 24, 2019 by MeatFeastMan

[GoldenLag]

Sapphire Vega. Its faster and the Nitro card is a really good variant of it.

[Sylthrim]

3 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

For 1080p it doesn't really matter which of those two you get.

 

If you care about Ray Tracing, go get the rtx 2060. But if you want your gpu to last longer, vega 64 is the better option as it has 2gb more vram and hbcc which will allow it to maintain consistent frames years down the line. The 2060 will struggle in a few years at 1080p as games are around 4-5gb vram right now.

 

Also, look out for good prices on the strix vega 64. You get 6 games (yes, 6!) with it. Same goes for the cheaper strix vega 56 too.

 

I'd get the vega 64 for a bit more, it'll last a year or two longer than the 2060 because of the vram.

yea. I was thinking on going with the vega 64. Thanks for the input!

[Sylthrim]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Sapphire Vega. Its faster and the Nitro card is a really good variant of it.

im going with the vega 64. thanks.

[TheDankKoosh]

5 hours ago, Sylthrim said:

im going with the vega 64. thanks.

Make sure to undervolt and overclock, memory overclocks are also very important so try to get that as high as possible. Granted, you're playing at 1080p, so you could just undervolt as hard as possible on the stock clocks and then you'd only have to worry about memory.

[Vejnemojnen]

3 hours ago, TheDankKoosh said:

Make sure to undervolt and overclock, memory overclocks are also very important so try to get that as high as possible. Granted, you're playing at 1080p, so you could just undervolt as hard as possible on the stock clocks and then you'd only have to worry about memory.

This is useful advice! I highly suggest the OP @Sylthrim to follow it. Less power, less heat, more performance for free.

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

[andrewmp6]

Which card is it tho?They made a blower card and the nitro.

[Xkillerpn]

Get the Vega 56 pulse, more vram and hbcc. Vegas will get raytrace, remember if crytek got it working its because its comming some day lol.

[Sylthrim]

11 minutes ago, andrewmp6 said:

Which card is it tho?They made a blower card and the nitro.

it is the nitro+ 

[Sylthrim]

10 minutes ago, Xkillerpn said:

Get the Vega 56 pulse, more vram and hbcc. Vegas will get raytrace, remember if crytek got it working its because its comming some day lol.

how future-proofed is the vega 56 compared to the rtx 2060 or the vega 64?

[Sylthrim]

5 hours ago, Vejnemojnen said:

This is useful advice! I highly suggest the OP @Sylthrim to follow it. Less power, less heat, more performance for free.

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

planning to undervolt it. thanks.

[Xkillerpn]

1 hour ago, Sylthrim said:

how future-proofed is the vega 56 compared to the rtx 2060 or the vega 64?

I think because of the Vram, Hbcc and CGN they will be a bit more future prof. I can give a good example even at 1080p some games already use 5g of vram or more and side by side the fps on the vega are more stable even if they are not higher.

[Sylthrim]

28 minutes ago, Xkillerpn said:

I think because of the Vram, Hbcc and CGN they will be a bit more future prof. I can give a good example even at 1080p some games already use 5g of vram or more and side by side the fps on the vega are more stable even if they are not higher.

I have the money to go for a vega 64. I feel that will be more future-proofed.

[Xkillerpn]

2 minutes ago, Sylthrim said:

I have the money to go for a vega 64. I feel that will be more future-proofed.

Just be aware that you will need a good psu 750w+ gold. Btw with vega 64 you get 3 free good games they cost like 140£ or more. vega 64 go for the nitro+ or the powercolor devil

[ch3w2oy]

I would get the Vega 64 over the 2060 if pricing is similar. The vega 64, especially the Nitro one, is usually equal to or better (I think better) than a GTX 1080.

 

50 minutes ago, Xkillerpn said:

Just be aware that you will need a good psu 750w+ gold. Btw with vega 64 you get 3 free good games they cost like 140£ or more. vega 64 go for the nitro+ or the powercolor devil

No you don't.

[Sylthrim]

1 hour ago, Xkillerpn said:

Just be aware that you will need a good psu 750w+ gold. Btw with vega 64 you get 3 free good games they cost like 140£ or more. vega 64 go for the nitro+ or the powercolor devil

I was reading around that only a 650w is needed. Might look into it more.

[ch3w2oy]

19 minutes ago, Sylthrim said:

I was reading around that only a 650w is needed. Might look into it more.

You will be just fine with a good 650w unit. 

[andrewmp6]

Yes if you can get a nitro get it.It is the fastest and best temps out of all the vega 64 cards.Just make sure you got room in your case for it.Its a little bit long and a 3 slot card.

[Quadriplegic]

15 hours ago, Sylthrim said:

I was reading around that only a 650w is needed. Might look into it more.

I summon thee, @Stefan Payne

[Stefan Payne]

On 3/24/2019 at 9:48 PM, Sylthrim said:

the sapphire vega 64 costs 440€ and the asus strix rtx 2060 costs 400€. Is the 40 euro increase worth it for the vega? I mostly only play in 1080p. 

I'd get the VEGA, its not that loud and a really nice car. Though really heavy.

 

On 3/24/2019 at 10:05 PM, MeatFeastMan said:

If you care about Ray Tracing, go get the rtx 2060.

Na, (X) Doubt

That will be enabled in a future AMD Driver as well.

 

On 3/24/2019 at 10:05 PM, MeatFeastMan said:

But if you want your gpu to last longer, vega 64 is the better option as it has 2gb more vram and hbcc which will allow it to maintain consistent frames years down the line. The 2060 will struggle in a few years at 1080p as games are around 4-5gb vram right now.

Its already Struggling in the Geothermal Valley Map of Tomb Raider...

Also the 2080 craps out on that map as well...

If you enable HBCC it at least has some decent frametimes...

 

On 3/24/2019 at 10:05 PM, MeatFeastMan said:

Also, look out for good prices on the strix vega 64. You get 6 games (yes, 6!) with it. Same goes for the cheaper strix vega 56 too.

 

I'd get the vega 64 for a bit more, it'll last a year or two longer than the 2060 because of the vram.

I can agree with that. Though the Additional Strix Games are pretty old...

And if you're in Germany, the ASUS is available in Mindfactory -> Mindstar for 389€ right now.

23 hours ago, Sylthrim said:

how future-proofed is the vega 56 compared to the rtx 2060 or the vega 64?

Its about the same as VEGA 64 but they should both be a whole bit more "Future Proof" than the 2060 because of HBCC, because of the additional 2GiB VRAM, because AMD announced that they might support DXR later.

21 hours ago, Xkillerpn said:

Just be aware that you will need a good psu 750w+ gold. Btw with vega 64 you get 3 free good games they cost like 140£ or more. vega 64 go for the nitro+ or the powercolor devil

That's not true.

What you _NEED_ is a good quality PSU that isn't from Seasonic.

I ran my VEGA 64 fine with even lower end 500-550W PSU.

Positively tested:
Cougar LX500

Cougar GX-F 550W

Cooler Master Master Watt 550 (works, but NOT RECOMMENDED due to only one PCIe COnnector)

 

Obviously the LX and Master Watt were screeching annoyingly.

19 hours ago, Sylthrim said:

I was reading around that only a 650w is needed. Might look into it more.

Needed is a high quaity 550W PSU, recommended is a 650W Version.

Though both in rather defaultish Configuration. If you want to let the VEGA run freely (wich isn't really recommended right now), a 750W is recommended.

 

 

What PSU are you thinking about??
What PSU do you already have?

In General, your chances with an 80plus Gold PSU are higher to get something decent.

[Sylthrim]

4 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

I'd get the VEGA, its not that loud and a really nice car. Though really heavy.

 

Na, (X) Doubt

That will be enabled in a future AMD Driver as well.

 

Its already Struggling in the Geothermal Valley Map of Tomb Raider...

Also the 2080 craps out on that map as well...

If you enable HBCC it at least has some decent frametimes...

 

I can agree with that. Though the Additional Strix Games are pretty old...

And if you're in Germany, the ASUS is available in Mindfactory -> Mindstar for 389€ right now.

Its about the same as VEGA 64 but they should both be a whole bit more "Future Proof" than the 2060 because of HBCC, because of the additional 2GiB VRAM, because AMD announced that they might support DXR later.

That's not true.

What you _NEED_ is a good quality PSU that isn't from Seasonic.

I ran my VEGA 64 fine with even lower end 500-550W PSU.

Positively tested:
Cougar LX500

Cougar GX-F 550W

Cooler Master Master Watt 550 (works, but NOT RECOMMENDED due to only one PCIe COnnector)

 

Obviously the LX and Master Watt were screeching annoyingly.

Needed is a high quaity 550W PSU, recommended is a 650W Version.

Though both in rather defaultish Configuration. If you want to let the VEGA run freely (wich isn't really recommended right now), a 750W is recommended.

 

 

What PSU are you thinking about??
What PSU do you already have?

In General, your chances with an 80plus Gold PSU are higher to get something decent.

hey thanks for taking the time to reply. I live in Austria and i am buying the sapphire nitro+ from mindfactory. I would love to get the asus strix version and save some money, but with the vrm issues they are having, I just dont want to deal with that. I cant even open the card to fix it without losing my warranty. 

Someone else suggested a couple of other psus that can work well with the vega 64

 

i have an older psu from my current build but i am not going to use that one. I am starting fresh with everything (you can see my other post for my build idea). i was really thinking about the 700w smart rgb by thermaltake, but someone said that might not be the most reliable. They suggested other ones.

[Stefan Payne]

17 minutes ago, Sylthrim said:

hey thanks for taking the time to reply. I live in Austria and i am buying the sapphire nitro+ from mindfactory.

I have bad news for you then.

Its not in stock.

And even ~20€ more than I paid for it.

Although it is an awesome Card, I don't see a reason to pay ~70€ more for the Sapphire than the ASUS...

Though the Sapphire actually uses the Backplate while ASUS does not, so I recommend getting a couple of ARCTIC Pads and put them between PCB and Backplate.

This Review should give you an idea where to put the Pads:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-rx-vega64-strix-oc,5520.html

 

Though you should use it at least a Week or two before doing that.

 

17 minutes ago, Sylthrim said:

I would love to get the asus strix version and save some money, but with the vrm issues they are having, I just dont want to deal with that. I cant even open the card to fix it without losing my warranty. 

Yeah, that is a good argument against the ASUS Card.

Though the ASUS is in Stock, Sapphire is not.

Alternative could be the Powercolor Red Dragon.

 

17 minutes ago, Sylthrim said:

Someone else suggested a couple of other psus that can work well with the vega 64

Wich ones?

Could you list them?

17 minutes ago, Sylthrim said:

i have an older psu from my current build but i am not going to use that one. I am starting fresh with everything (you can see my other post for my build idea). i was really thinking about the 700w smart rgb by thermaltake, but someone said that might not be the most reliable. They suggested other ones.

No, the Thermaltake Smart RGB is a bad PSU.

You must not look at Wattage but at the Quality of the PSU!

There's a ton of other units that work well or should work.

But the Smart is not something that would work well with VEGA at all.

 

As said, there were two screeching PSU. That is something you should expect from the Thermaltake as well...

 

If you want to be cheap:
750W Xilence Performance X works in my tests - and that one is at around 75€ or so.

A 700W PSU for 50€ (or less) can't be good at all!

 

Even a be quiet System Power 9/700W is 67€ and that's as cheap as you can go with ~700W, 600W would be 10€ less.

But I do not recommend it!!

 

I recommend at least a decent, Gold certified PSU (or one of those Silver units)...

 

Straight Power 11 with 550W should be sufficient.

Whisper M 550W can work if you switch the CPU Connector with one PCIe one (they are the same but named differently and on different 12V Rails).

Bitfenix Formula 450 and 550W does not work. 650W and up does though.

 

That's as low as I would recommend.

 

You can tell those other people that I said so and even mention my name

Sadly I sold my 730W Xilence Performance A+, so can't test it with that.

 

But the units that didn't work were:

Bitfenix Formula 450W (obviously, switches off -> works with 2 Rails though)

be quiet Pure Power, 400W -> well, 400W is a bit on the low side

Seasonic P660 -> Switches off with Ryzen, reboots with i7-3930K

 

So far I only tested those but also all 3 Silverstone units:
SX700-LPT

ST75F-PT

ST65F-GS
All work well with VEGA.

Even the 550W Chieftec SFX CWT unit works well (though has issues with the fan controller, that starts/stops the fan every other second)...

[Sylthrim]

1 hour ago, Stefan Payne said:

I have bad news for you then.

Its not in stock.

And even ~20€ more than I paid for it.

Although it is an awesome Card, I don't see a reason to pay ~70€ more for the Sapphire than the ASUS...

Though the Sapphire actually uses the Backplate while ASUS does not, so I recommend getting a couple of ARCTIC Pads and put them between PCB and Backplate.

This Review should give you an idea where to put the Pads:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-rx-vega64-strix-oc,5520.html

 

Though you should use it at least a Week or two before doing that.

 

Yeah, that is a good argument against the ASUS Card.

Though the ASUS is in Stock, Sapphire is not.

Alternative could be the Powercolor Red Dragon.

 

Wich ones?

Could you list them?

No, the Thermaltake Smart RGB is a bad PSU.

You must not look at Wattage but at the Quality of the PSU!

There's a ton of other units that work well or should work.

But the Smart is not something that would work well with VEGA at all.

 

As said, there were two screeching PSU. That is something you should expect from the Thermaltake as well...

 

If you want to be cheap:
750W Xilence Performance X works in my tests - and that one is at around 75€ or so.

A 700W PSU for 50€ (or less) can't be good at all!

 

Even a be quiet System Power 9/700W is 67€ and that's as cheap as you can go with ~700W, 600W would be 10€ less.

But I do not recommend it!!

 

I recommend at least a decent, Gold certified PSU (or one of those Silver units)...

 

Straight Power 11 with 550W should be sufficient.

Whisper M 550W can work if you switch the CPU Connector with one PCIe one (they are the same but named differently and on different 12V Rails).

Bitfenix Formula 450 and 550W does not work. 650W and up does though.

 

That's as low as I would recommend.

 

You can tell those other people that I said so and even mention my name

Sadly I sold my 730W Xilence Performance A+, so can't test it with that.

 

But the units that didn't work were:

Bitfenix Formula 450W (obviously, switches off -> works with 2 Rails though)

be quiet Pure Power, 400W -> well, 400W is a bit on the low side

Seasonic P660 -> Switches off with Ryzen, reboots with i7-3930K

 

So far I only tested those but also all 3 Silverstone units:
SX700-LPT

ST75F-PT

ST65F-GS
All work well with VEGA.

Even the 550W Chieftec SFX CWT unit works well (though has issues with the fan controller, that starts/stops the fan every other second)...

I noticed that they went out of stock. They were in stock a couple days ago. The price does seem a bit steep. Since I'm playing in 1080p 60hz, im thinking of just going with an rtx 2060 or a Vega 56 or even a 1070. since I can't find a good Vega 64 and I don't trust the Asus Vega 64 would you recommend it though?

These are the PSU he suggested.

 

https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/600-Watt-be-quiet--PURE-POWER-11-600W_1281217.html

 

https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/700-Watt-be-quiet--PURE-POWER-11-700W_1281218.html

 

https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/650-Watt-BitFenix-Formula-Non-Modular-80--Gold_1212318.html

 

https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info .php/650-Watt-Corsair-TX-M-Series- TX650M- Modular- 80--Gold_1167507.html

 

[Quadriplegic]

1 hour ago, Sylthrim said:

I noticed that they went out of stock. They were in stock a couple days ago. The price does seem a bit steep. Since I'm playing in 1080p 60hz, im thinking of just going with an rtx 2060 or a Vega 56 or even a 1070. since I can't find a good Vega 64 and I don't trust the Asus Vega 64 would you recommend it though?

These are the PSU he suggested.

 

https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/600-Watt-be-quiet--PURE-POWER-11-600W_1281217.html

 

https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/700-Watt-be-quiet--PURE-POWER-11-700W_1281218.html

 

https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/650-Watt-BitFenix-Formula-Non-Modular-80--Gold_1212318.html

 

https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info .php/650-Watt-Corsair-TX-M-Series- TX650M- Modular- 80--Gold_1167507.html

 

You can always get the Strix card, test its thermals, and if they are bad, just send the card back as you should be covered by 30 days money back policy.

€86 for TX650m is bad price I'd say, as €5 more gets you Whisper M:
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/650-Watt-BitFenix-Whisper-M-Modular-80--Gold_1131525.html