headset Best gaming 7.1 surround gaming headset under 100$

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I have HyperX stinger and thinking for upgrade so need some options

If there is something really good for 150$ and worth it I don't mind

[191x7]

Well, an Fiio X6 DAC (with amp) or something of the sort would be a great upgrade.

[Rengaruu]

The only decent Gaming Headsets are the CM MH751 and Sennheiser Game One. Don't fall into the disposable 7.1 "surround" headsettrap

[rice guru]

7.1 is a gimmick just buy good headphones with a good sound stage and imaging for example HD 58x or dt770/990 

[pas008]

6 hours ago, rice guru said:

7.1 is a gimmick just buy good headphones with a good sound stage and imaging for example HD 58x or dt770/990 

i couldnt call it a gimmick if everyone has different preferences and wants

 

you think vss is gimmick too?

[rice guru]

1 hour ago, pas008 said:

i couldnt call it a gimmick if everyone has different preferences and wants

 

you think vss is gimmick too?

proper suround sound in headphones are just good stereo so headphones that have good soundstage and imaging do the exact same things 7.1 audio does. but audio can be enhanced using software I'm not gonna deny that thats why dolby surround sound exists for headphones and I have tried vss in overwatch and works fine. but my stock dt 990s have beat every gaming headphone with the 7,1 surround gimmick I've ever heard. you cant have the true 7.1 suround experience until you have 7 speakers and a sub woofer setup all around you, 

[food158]

40 minutes ago, rice guru said:

proper suround sound in headphones are just good stereo so headphones that have good soundstage and imaging do the exact same things 7.1 audio does. but audio can be enhanced using software I'm not gonna deny that thats why dolby surround sound exists for headphones and I have tried vss in overwatch and works fine. but my stock dt 990s have beat every gaming headphone with the 7,1 surround gimmick I've ever heard. you cant have the true 7.1 suround experience until you have 7 speakers and a sub woofer setup all around you, 

 

2 hours ago, pas008 said:

i couldnt call it a gimmick if everyone has different preferences and wants

 

you think vss is gimmick too?

Trying to copy the sound of multiple speakers in 2 drivers is not ideal.

[rice guru]

@food158 I couldn't have said it better and simpler myself

[an actual squirrel]

54 minutes ago, rice guru said:

proper suround sound in headphones are just good stereo so headphones that have good soundstage and imaging do the exact same things 7.1 audio does. but audio can be enhanced using software I'm not gonna deny that thats why dolby surround sound exists for headphones and I have tried vss in overwatch and works fine. but my stock dt 990s have beat every gaming headphone with the 7,1 surround gimmick I've ever heard. you cant have the true 7.1 suround experience until you have 7 speakers and a sub woofer setup all around you, 

No, headphones that have good soundstage and imaging isn't the same thing as virtual surround sound for headphones. Virtual surround sound for headphones works by playing with what one ear hears relative to the other. It is analogous to how a VR headset like the Oculus rift works with eyes - create a 3d effect by playing with what one eye sees relative to the other.

 

The issue with stereo audio is that it actually only has 2 directions, left and right. When you play games in stereo on headphones, you're actually relying a lot on your other senses to try to make up for this limitation. The hack to get around that limit is to use virtual surround sound for headphones or a binaural recording.

[rice guru]

1 minute ago, an actual squirrel said:

No, headphones that have good soundstage and imaging isn't the same thing as virtual surround sound for headphones. Virtual surround sound for headphones works by playing with what one ear hears relative to the other. It is analogous to how a VR headset like the Oculus rift works with eyes - create a 3d effect by playing with what one eye sees relative to the other.

 

The issue with stereo audio is that it actually only has 2 directions, left and right. When you play games in stereo on headphones, you're actually relying a lot on your other senses to make up for this limitation. The hack to get around that limit is to use virtual surround sound for headphones or a binaural recording.

yes I understand that and have already agreed with you in this respect tahts why I said it's the same reason dolby suround sound works and is a thing that works. My issue is the therm7.1 surounds soundmy point was the fact that they advertise 7.1 suround but still using 2 drivers. where they use virtual suround to attempt to do something a 7.1 system does by using 2 drivers hense why I called it a gimmick.

[an actual squirrel]

2 minutes ago, rice guru said:

yes I understand that and have already agreed with you in this respect tahts why I said it's the same reason dolby suround sound works and is a thing that works. My issue is the therm7.1 surounds soundmy point was the fact that they advertise 7.1 suround but still using 2 drivers. where they use virtual suround to attempt to do something a 7.1 system does by using 2 drivers hense why I called it a gimmick.

Imagine if you had 2 in ear microphones, and you sat in a 7.1 home theater system, and watched a movie. If afterwards, you played back what those microphones captured on headphones, it would sound remarkably similar to sitting in the home theater, since it pretty much captured what your ear drums were exposed to. That is the fundamental concept behind virtual 7.1 for headphones, and how a surround sound signal can be played back with just 2 drivers.

[pas008]

1 minute ago, rice guru said:

yes I understand that and have already agreed with you in this respect tahts why I said it's the same reason dolby suround sound works and is a thing that works. My issue is the therm7.1 surounds soundmy point was the fact that they advertise 7.1 suround but still using 2 drivers. where they use virtual suround to attempt to do something a 7.1 system does by using 2 drivers hense why I called it a gimmick.

but its not a gimmick at all they are taking 7.1 audio and using algorithms to downmix to stereo binaural/hrtf like sound thats why many have preferences

linus has a video on surround sound shit that just came out recently

 

and the headphones that do have many drivers usually are shit, but there are couple that I could position everything well better than many closed stereo headphones

 

[pas008]

Just now, an actual squirrel said:

Imagine if you had 2 in ear microphones, and you sat in a 7.1 home theater system, and watched a movie. If afterwards, you played back what those microphones captured on headphones, it would sound remarkably similar to sitting in the home theater, since it pretty much captured what your ear drums were exposed to. That is the fundamental concept behind virtual 7.1 for headphones, and how a surround sound signal can be played back with just 2 drivers.

I like this way of putting it

[rice guru]

17 minutes ago, pas008 said:

but its not a gimmick at all they are taking 7.1 audio and using algorithms to downmix to stereo binaural/hrtf like sound thats why many have preferences

linus has a video on surround sound shit that just came out recently

 

and the headphones that do have many drivers usually are shit, but there are couple that I could position everything well better than many closed stereo headphones

 

I have seen that video. all I'm trying to say is sure they try to simulate it and it's not the same experience. all I'm trying to say is 7.1  in gaming heaphones is a gimmick. I've already acknowlendged that the dolby atmos thing works I've used it. but most headphones that try to do 7.1 surround have comparable or worse performance than non gaming and just good sereo headphones,  which I found linus completely overlooked by not including any in. 

[pas008]

1 hour ago, rice guru said:

I have seen that video. all I'm trying to say is sure they try to simulate it and it's not the same experience. all I'm trying to say is 7.1  in gaming heaphones is a gimmick. I've already acknowlendged that the dolby atmos thing works I've used it. but most headphones that try to do 7.1 surround have comparable or worse performance than non gaming and just good sereo headphones,  which I found linus completely overlooked by not including any in. 

depends how its implemented

many of them 7.1 headsets are virtual using an adapter

like I said many of the 7.1 with many physical drivers in cups are crap but there are a few that worked great for positional, not that i'd buy them but its all user preference

and how well the company implemented it

 

do you know many iems have multiple drivers

single driver vs multiple is on how well they implemented it

but is still user preference or subjective to each individual

[an actual squirrel]

@rice guru

So if the game offers a surround sound for headphones option, like overwatch, pub g, and battlefield 5 does, or if you use external software like razer surround or dolby access, or external hardware like a sennheiser gsx 1000, you can make any headphones into surround sound headphones. That's kinda the point of the linus video - there isn't anything you can do on gaming headphones that you can't do on regular headphones when you have the processing from somewhere else.

 

But without that processing, there are just some hurdles that can't be overcome. To go back to the realm of displays, I can't say something like "VR headsets have comparable or worse performance than high end 2d oleds". The oled would have a lot more trouble conveying depth without any 3d technology. Similarly, with headphones, having high quality stereo headphones doesn't mean that the technical limitations of stereo are somehow automatically removed.

[rice guru]

3 minutes ago, an actual squirrel said:

@rice guru

So if the game offers a surround sound for headphones option, like overwatch, pub g, and battlefield 5 does, or if you use external software like razer surround or dolby access, or external hardware like a sennheiser gsx 1000, you can make any headphones into surround sound headphones. That's kinda the point of the linus video - there isn't anything you can do on gaming headphones that you can't do on regular headphones when you have the processing from somewhere else.

 

But without that processing, there are just some hurdles that can't be overcome. To go back to the realm of displays, I can't say something like "VR headsets have comparable or worse performance than high end 2d oleds". The oled would have a lot more trouble conveying depth without any 3d technology. Similarly, with headphones, having high quality stereo headphones doesn't mean that the technical limitations of stereo are somehow automatically removed.

I agree but the differences in audio between VSS and stereo isn't comparable to how a regular monitor and vr would work. I've already said I've agreed with you multiple times in the respect that VSS is a noticeable difference in  many games.  but the VSS software is doing is taking sound and enhancing them to sound to simulate a surround sound on a 2 speaker system it's still no the same as a well postioned 7.1 system. I get what your trying to tell me but my ears are my ears and my ears tell me it's not the same no matter what. like what you guys said it's subjective. and sound is one of the most subjective hobbies there are. 

[pas008]

35 minutes ago, rice guru said:

I agree but the differences in audio between VSS and stereo isn't comparable to how a regular monitor and vr would work. I've already said I've agreed with you multiple times in the respect that VSS is a noticeable difference in  many games.  but the VSS software is doing is taking sound and enhancing them to sound to simulate a surround sound on a 2 speaker system it's still no the same as a well postioned 7.1 system. I get what your trying to tell me but my ears are my ears and my ears tell me it's not the same no matter what. like what you guys said it's subjective. and sound is one of the most subjective hobbies there are. 

i prefer headphones over my atmos system even for movies but thats no fun for the others lol

 

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