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Patriot Viper 4 not working with ryzen 1600x if there is 4x4GB

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I have with really weird problem. I had an Patriot Viper 4, DDR4, 2x4GB,3000MHz, CL16 (PV48G300C6K). It was working on 3000Mhz but two weeks ago I decided to buy one more time this RAM to get 16GB of ram. So I did it. When I put it into computer it wasn't working with 3000Mhz just with 2800 but 2-3 time it frezzed windows. Today I reinstalled windows with my friend. Set 3000Mhz with all this patriot sticks and it passed cinebench but while playing PUBG to test it, it crashed.  So we decided to take his ram to my pc so I had an Patriot Viper 4, DDR4, 2x4GB,3000MHz, CL16 (PV48G300C6K) and HyperX 2x4GB 2133Mhz so there was 16GB on 2133Mhz, we try 3000Mhz and... everything works great. We put my "new" sticks to his computer and it WORKED overclocked to 3200Mhz (wtf) but when we put it back to my pc it still crashing (I have an ryzen 1600x and my friend have ryzen 2600) Someone know what is going on? 

btw. Memtest (not windows memtest) passed. There was no errors.

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- Ryzen 1600x
- Patriot Viper 4, DDR4, 4x4 GB,3000MHz, CL16 (PV48G300C6K)
- MSI B450M BAZOOKA PLUS
- r9 380x
 

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Yeah, that's how Ryzen works. It's not really a weird problem, Infinity Fabric is kind of a messy thing. You can't keep high memory clocks on Ryzen with all 4 slots occupied, it's better to buy 2 sticks of 8GB than 4x4. 

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Just now, violentnumeric said:

Yeah, that's how Ryzen works. It's not really a weird problem, Infinity Fabric is kind of a messy thing. You can't keep high memory clocks on Ryzen with all 4 slots occupied, it's better to buy 2 sticks of 8GB than 4x4.

So should I get my money back for these new one and sell old one and buy 2x8GB?

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If you can, yes.

 

https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

 

Ideally you'll want b-die, it's pretty much the only memory guaranteed to work well with Ryzen. It's not necessary but you're unlikely to get clocks above 2400MHz without it. 

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35 minutes ago, kiritito said:

So should I get my money back for these new one and sell old one and buy 2x8GB?

If you can afford to do so then yes you should.  It is a better solution.  

 

14 minutes ago, violentnumeric said:

If you can, yes.

https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

Ideally you'll want b-die, it's pretty much the only memory guaranteed to work well with Ryzen. It's not necessary but you're unlikely to get clocks above 2400MHz without it.

This isn't true.  B-die is ideal, but that bit about 2400MHz is absolutely untrue.  

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3 minutes ago, nick name said:

This isn't true.  B-die is ideal, but that bit about 2400MHz is absolutely untrue.  

No, it's actually not. Hynix, D die, etc are complete crap and rarely run well with Ryzen. The only real alternative is looking at the motherboard manufacturer's QVL, and that's usually extremely limited and in my experience the only part numbers you can find are RIDICULOUSLY expensive. 

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13 minutes ago, violentnumeric said:

No, it's actually not. Hynix, D die, etc are complete crap and rarely run well with Ryzen. The only real alternative is looking at the motherboard manufacturer's QVL, and that's usually extremely limited and in my experience the only part numbers you can find are RIDICULOUSLY expensive.

This is also not true.  While D die and Hynix kits aren't the same quality as Samsung B die the vast majority of them will run their rated speeds (unless it's above 3600MHz).   For example: the OP is using a non B die kit that runs at 3000MHz.  

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9 minutes ago, nick name said:

This is also not true.  While D die and Hynix kits aren't the same quality as Samsung B die the vast majority of them will run their rated speeds (unless it's above 3600MHz).   For example: the OP is using a non B die kit that runs at 3000MHz.  

100% luck, like I said the vast majority of people will find hynix and other non b-die ram will not run at its stated speeds, even if the motherboard claims to support the speed. 

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that's the difference between Ryzen 1st gen and 2nd gen, 1st gen's memory potential is noticeably worse. I dont think 2x8gb will get you any further tbh, maybe 200-300MHz extra frequency but that's about it. Updating the BIOS could help but still doesnt guarantee it will work. I'd drop it to say, 2666 and tighten timings as much as possible instead. 

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4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

that's the difference between Ryzen 1st gen and 2nd gen, 1st gen's memory potential is noticeably worse. I dont think 2x8gb will get you any further tbh, maybe 200-300MHz extra frequency but that's about it. Updating the BIOS could help but still doesnt guarantee it will work. I'd drop it to say, 2666 and tighten timings as much as possible instead. 

But going 2x8 reduces the impact of the motherboard's RAM topology. 

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Ryzen and RAM speeds are all luck.  My brother rocks 3000mhz Hynix no problem on R7 1700.  I haven't overclocked my RAM yet so I cant comment but its Patriot Viper as well, I should see what I Can do when my R9 Fury shows up tomorrow and I have to install it on that rig and spend time on that machine.  Maybe Ill get it to 3000mhz, need to learn how to OC ram anyhow.

 

Mostly what I see here is a regurgitation of Toms Hardware thread, which is saying the same thing but its only based off a very small pool of Overclockers on Overlocking.net (15 page forum post) so its sample size is...not going to be something you can lean on.  However I would do a lot of reading there first.

 

Plenty of kits work - the thing about the samples you can pick from - these people (oc.net) aren't buying cheap kits nearly as often as they are buying top of the line anyhow. 

 

From every thread I have read, and everything I have researched - there MAY be a correlation between dies...maybe...but it mostly comes down to luck because I don't know how many Samsung RAM posts Ive read about it not working and everyone seems to accept Its Just Ryzen as an acceptable response...but why not here?

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3816693/amd-ryzen-memory.html

 

https://www.overclock.net/forum/18051-memory/1627555-ryzen-memory-ic-collection-thread.html

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My understanding is the quality of each individual Ryzen chips' IMC is a dice roll when it comes to RAM speed and compatibility.

 

 

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

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21 minutes ago, nick name said:

But going 2x8 reduces the impact of the motherboard's RAM topology. 

MSI B450 boards should be decent in memory overclocking, though I'm not sure how much it will help the poor IMC.

 

47 minutes ago, violentnumeric said:

 

100% luck, like I said the vast majority of people will find hynix and other non b-die ram will not run at its stated speeds, even if the motherboard claims to support the speed.

Lol, check how Hynix CFRs do 3000-3333MHz with relatively little effort. What really sucks are Micron ones, I'd be glad if they even run on 4 sticks at 2400MHz

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