R3 2200G and R3 1200, same price but which is the better performer?

[BootyDustBandit]

okay, pretty simple question. Obviously theres a few clear differences.
1-2200g has Vega 8 graphics built in

2- 2200g has had very similar if not better performance to the 1200, at least in what I have seen.

3- 1200 has the benefit of working better with the older a320, b350, and x370 boards, making it better for budget builds since more of those boards are available and more are available for cheaper, especially on the used market.

4- 1200 would run cooler than the 2200g as it doesn't have to deal with the Vega 8 graphics (not that it matters since the stock coolers already cut down those temps to more than acceptable levels.

5- 2200g has better base and boost clocks out of the box than the 1200 (2200g clocks at 3.5 and boosts to 3.7, while 1200 gets 3.1 and boosts to 3.4)

6-2200g has half the L3 cache of the 1200, (2200g has 1x4Mb, while 1200 has 1x8Mb)

7-both are 65W, though I haven't looked into how much the actually consume since I only have a 1200 on hand and one of the pins is bent (bought it damaged for 30 USD, hoping to fix it here soon)

8- supposedly the 2200g supports higher memory frequencies than the 1200, but I wasn't able to confirm this anywhere since nothing had any info on it.

i'm sure there are a lot more things i haven't even thought of, which is why i'm posting this. Just curious as to which would be the better option for a low-medium budget build since I get hired to do those a lot.

[LukeSavenije]

2200g

1 minute ago, BootyDustBandit said:

3- 1200 has the benefit of working better with the older a320, b350, and x370 boards, making it better for budget builds since more of those boards are available and more are available for cheaper, especially on the used market.

and 2200g can't do that as long as it's newer stock?

[WoodenMarker]

5 minutes ago, BootyDustBandit said:

1200 has the benefit of working better with the older a320, b350, and x370 boards, making it better for budget builds since more of those boards are available and more are available for cheaper, especially on the used market.

The 2200g performs better: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-1200/m441832vs3931

If the motherboards cost more for the 2200g, you're no longer comparing options that are the same price. 

[BootyDustBandit]

Just now, LukeSavenije said:

2200g

and 2200g can't do that as long as it's newer stock?

they can, but obviously it would function better in a b450/x470 board that fully supported the processor when they came out, no bios flashing or any of that needed like i have had to do with several a320/b350/x370 boards. plus, at least in my tests, second gen ryzen processors did suffer some performance loss when I swapped out its b450/x470 board for a b350/x370 board

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

You already have the 1200 (if you can fix it) so the point is moot?

[BootyDustBandit]

Just now, WoodenMarker said:

The 2200g performs better: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-1200/m441832vs3931

If the motherboards cost more for the 2200g, you're no longer comparing options that are the same price. 

oh i'm an idiot, didn't even think of that.

[BootyDustBandit]

Just now, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

You already have the 1200 (if you can fix it) so the point is moot?

this is just discussion, really just talking about the hardware not whether I have a real world application for it, just so happens I have one at the time. But yes, if I was asking which one I should buy the point would be moot, but i'm talking about the performance of the processors and which is better.

[Jurrunio]

1200 is better as a CPU, 2200G is more of a all-rounder.

[BootyDustBandit]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

1200 is better as a CPU, 2200G is more of a all-rounder.

yeah, but why specifically. When I look at benchmarks of the two I rarely see a difference in performance, even when the 2200g has its Vega 8 graphics disabled.

 

[BootyDustBandit]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

1200 is better as a CPU, 2200G is more of a all-rounder.

though I haven't take a look at how these would work with streaming and workstation loads.

 

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, BootyDustBandit said:

yeah, but why specifically. When I look at benchmarks of the two I rarely see a difference in performance, even when the 2200g has its Vega 8 graphics disabled.

 

1200 has more cache, so in memory heavy work (decompression for example) it does better noticeably than the 2200G. More PCIe lanes also means a better NAS build. However, no iGPU means no backup if the graphics card is dead.

[BootyDustBandit]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

1200 has more cache, so in memory heavy work (decompression for example) it does better noticeably than the 2200G. More PCIe lanes also means a better NAS build. However, no iGPU means no backup if the graphics card is dead.

Thats what I was missing, never found specs on the PCIe lanes. So 1200 mostly kills the 2200, just minus no backup when/if GPU dies. So what would the 2200 be better at than the 1200? If there even is anything.

[BootyDustBandit]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

1200 has more cache, so in memory heavy work (decompression for example) it does better noticeably than the 2200G. More PCIe lanes also means a better NAS build. However, no iGPU means no backup if the graphics card is dead.

The only thing I can think of is maybe a little better performance when doing multi-threaded workloads, other than that its either I don't have the knowledge to see what it is or there just isn't anything that would make it a better option.

[SupaKomputa]

1200 - 20 Max PCIe lanes, more L3 cache.

2200g - 1x x8 used for APU, 12 available PCIe, less L3 cache.

Memory intensive load will favor L3 cache.

That's why regular pentium is priced more than a celeron.

 

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_3/2200g

[Jurrunio]

48 minutes ago, BootyDustBandit said:

Thats what I was missing, never found specs on the PCIe lanes. So 1200 mostly kills the 2200, just minus no backup when/if GPU dies. So what would the 2200 be better at than the 1200? If there even is anything.

45 minutes ago, BootyDustBandit said:

The only thing I can think of is maybe a little better performance when doing multi-threaded workloads, other than that its either I don't have the knowledge to see what it is or there just isn't anything that would make it a better option.

2200G has higher stock clocks and 2nd gen Ryzen memory controller microcode so in theory better memory OC.

[BootyDustBandit]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

2200G has higher stock clocks and 2nd gen Ryzen memory controller microcode so in theory better memory OC.

yeah, and memory would be important to keep that vega 8 fed, so that would increase price even more