New Builder, looking for advice

[Tearz49ers]

Hello,

 

So building a pure gaming PC has always been something that has intrigued me since I was a kid, now it is something that is possible as an adult ..

 

I have owed gaming rigs in the past, but they have always been pre built and we all know how that goes.

 

However, I am looking for some advice on what I am thinking about building over the next few months, looking to see what people would take out, add in or if I am on the right track..

 

This will be a forever rig that is simply upgraded as I go, attached below are the specs (based of PC Specialist but will be building myself)

 

I am mainly looking at the core parts, antivirus and such is just selections on their site I didn't touch, again same with the case.. suggestions there would be great.

 

Cheers

[Jurrunio]

This is a top gaming build, except the motherboard with VRM heat issues. Also, performance to price ratio makes no sense to this list.

[schwellmo92]

You should probably look at your storage a bit closer, you've got enough budget to get 2x 2080 Ti's but only a 250GB SSD?

[Tearz49ers]

2 minutes ago, schwellmo92 said:

You should probably look at your storage a bit closer, you've got enough budget to get 2x 2080 Ti's but only a 250GB SSD?

 The SSD was soley just for the operating system.. again pretty new to this, what would you recommend?

[Trulop]

start by letting us know what you want out of it. 1080p? 2k? 4k? ultrawides? knowing what monitor your planning on using and its limitations can help us help you. What kinds of games are you wanting to play? Are you going to be streaming/Recording? 

[Tearz49ers]

27 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

This is a top gaming build, except the motherboard with VRM heat issues. Also, performance to price ratio makes no sense to this list.

What would you recommend as a replacement? Pretty new to this sort of building my own pc

[BigDamn]

An issue many new builders encounter is called the "PC gaming money trap". Essentially, this theory states that people feel compelled to go balls out on their rigs in order to impress others and ourselves. Unless you're stupidly rich (which you may be) you should rationalize every component of this system. A second 2080 Ti? SLI is hardly supported these days, and you may see worse performance in some games due to lack of compatibility. A single 2080 Ti will be plenty for gaming at 4k. 32gb of ram for a gaming rig? Games at most will use 6gb so you could easily get away with 16gb. Meanwhile, only giving yourself 2tb of storage a 250gb SSD?

 

I'm not trying to tear you down here, I'm just suggesting you to not be over excited and dump excessive amounts of money into this without needing to. Unless you're a multi millionaire, in which case go balls out my man.

[Tearz49ers]

9 minutes ago, Trulop said:

start by letting us know what you want out of it. 1080p? 2k? 4k? ultrawides? knowing what monitor your planning on using and its limitations can help us help you. What kinds of games are you wanting to play? Are you going to be streaming/Recording? 

1080/4K gaming is the benchmark I am aiming at, and the monitor will be purchased to suit those needs and this rig.. I don't plan on streaming/recording it isn't something I do.. it is soley for personal use, whilst getting the best PC I can.

 

2 minutes ago, BigDamn said:

An issue many new builders encounter is called the "PC gaming money trap". Essentially, this theory states that people feel compelled to go balls out on their rigs in order to impress others and ourselves. Unless you're stupidly rich (which you may be) you should rationalize every component of this system. A second 2080 Ti? SLI is hardly supported these days, and you may see worse performance in some games due to lack of compatibility. A single 2080 Ti will be plenty for gaming at 4k. 32gb of ram for a gaming rig? Games at most will use 6gb so you could easily get away with 16gb. Meanwhile, only giving yourself 2tb of storage a 250gb SSD?

 

I'm not trying to tear you down here, I'm just suggesting you to not be over excited and dump excessive amounts of money into this without needing to. Unless you're a multi millionaire, in which case go balls out my man.

 

That's why I am here, as I say I am new to this adventure and will not take offense to any suggestions that are made, that's why I posted this here.. anywhere I can save on expenses and potentially forward those expenses into other hardware is all good with me.

 

So esseintally your suggestions into drop the added 2080I and Gig and invest that into storage.

[Manderis]

100 $ more in storage for a nice SSD with 1 TB and you save the 1.3k $ on the second 2080 ti. Sounds like a solid choice. 

You can go 9900k but a 9700k will be not much worse. With your budget i guess 9900k wont be a problem.

Go a nice 1440p @144 Hz G-Sync HDR Monitor with that saved money from the 2080ti

 

Do you need any peripherals?

[BigDamn]

2 minutes ago, Tearz49ers said:

That's why I am here, as I say I am new to this adventure and will not take offense to any suggestions that are made, that's why I posted this here.. anywhere I can save on expenses and potentially forward those expenses into other hardware is all good with me.

 

So esseintally your suggestions into drop the added 2080I and Gig and invest that into storage.

I would certainly drop the second RTX 2080 Ti and knock the power supply down to an 800 watt or so. Invest in the amount of storage you need, but don't under estimate the performance of a SSD. When SSD's were new people only loaded the OS and a few programs on them. Now that they have gone down in price I would look into getting a 1tb and putting some games on it, especially if you play Battlefield. I also would like to know what monitor resolution you have? The 2080 Ti is a 4k gaming card. If you're gaming at anything less than that you can get a less power GPU as well to save money. The 2080 Ti is stupidly overpriced imo.

 

We've all been new to PC gaming before. My first rig was far from perfect. I applaud you for coming here for advice, its best not to learn the hard way haha..

[Trulop]

8 minutes ago, Tearz49ers said:

1080/4K gaming is the benchmark I am aiming at, and the monitor will be purchased to suit those needs and this rig.. I don't plan on streaming/recording it isn't something I do.. it is soley for personal use, whilst getting the best PC I can.

 

 

That's why I am here, as I say I am new to this adventure and will not take offense to any suggestions that are made, that's why I posted this here.. anywhere I can save on expenses and potentially forward those expenses into other hardware is all good with me.

 

So esseintally your suggestions into drop the added 2080I and Gig and invest that into storage.

Im guessing theres not really any budget. If your buying a 2080TI i would definitely at least go 2k/4k. I agree with @BigDamn, having 2 2080TI's is extreme overkill. 16GB i would say is best minimum for system RAM, but 32GB isnt necesarilly a crazy thing to get if you have the money for it and you still want to get that. Personally i would go with a 500gb SSD and a 2-3TB HDD for storage's, and you can always add more HDD's down the road if necessary. In Terms of the CPU, i mean ya it is the very best out there right now for gaming, but for the price and since your not recording/streaming, you could even jump down to say an 8700k to save money and still get roughly the same output (More cores isnt always better or necessary) .If you still want it cause its the best then by all means it will do just fine. In terms of the Power Supply, 1200w isnt really needed either, especially with 1 card. If your gonna do some overclocking or think your gonna hit some sort of limit, i would be surprised if an 850w wouldnt be enough for your use case. 

 

Honestly, i would find out what kind of monitor your wanting first, watch some videos and comparisons on the CPU's / GPU's your interested in to get a "rough idea" of what you can get out of what you pick, and go from there. 

[16:9]

What were your previous rigs? is there for example a Monitor you want to recycle? Also are you sure that you need that good of a CPU and GPU like what games are you even going to play are you going to do work, because otherwise you don't need that good of a CPU and at most an i5 or i7 

[Manderis]

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xrvctg
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xrvctg/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($529.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H115i RGB PLATINUM 97 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($149.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($238.61 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($247.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($84.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB AORUS Video Card  ($1347.68 @ Newegg Business) 
Case: Thermaltake -  View 71 TG RGB ATX Full Tower Case  ($194.37 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 850 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($133.89 @ Amazon) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit  ($124.79 @ OutletPC) 
Monitor: Asus - ROG SWIFT PG278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($554.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $3747.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-22 07:21 EST-0500

 

That is a dumb OP setup

 

Not sure about CPU Cooler, Case and Monitor, just took the first two out of your list because it is a optical preference and the Monitor because it is G-Sync and 1440p @165 Hz but I don't know if those specific items are good.

 

And you could argue that you don't have to pay the Samsung SSD premium because you don't feel the bonus speed anyways.

 

The price / performance advice would be 9700k or 8700k plus a 2080 but if you want to go all out I won't stop you  

[Tearz49ers]

53 minutes ago, Manderis said:

100 $ more in storage for a nice SSD with 1 TB and you save the 1.3k $ on the second 2080 ti. Sounds like a solid choice. 

You can go 9900k but a 9700k will be not much worse. With your budget i guess 9900k wont be a problem.

Go a nice 1440p @144 Hz G-Sync HDR Monitor with that saved money from the 2080ti

 

Do you need any peripherals?

 

Thanks for the heads up, I'm England based so prices will be a little different but I shall invest the dropped RTX into the computer elsewhere.

50 minutes ago, BigDamn said:

I would certainly drop the second RTX 2080 Ti and knock the power supply down to an 800 watt or so. Invest in the amount of storage you need, but don't under estimate the performance of a SSD. When SSD's were new people only loaded the OS and a few programs on them. Now that they have gone down in price I would look into getting a 1tb and putting some games on it, especially if you play Battlefield. I also would like to know what monitor resolution you have? The 2080 Ti is a 4k gaming card. If you're gaming at anything less than that you can get a less power GPU as well to save money. The 2080 Ti is stupidly overpriced imo.

 

We've all been new to PC gaming before. My first rig was far from perfect. I applaud you for coming here for advice, its best not to learn the hard way haha..

 

The monitor will be purchased to suit this rig, I haven't had a Desktop gaming rig for around 5 years now so it will all be purchased to suit this rig, that's why I want to get it right

 

49 minutes ago, Trulop said:

Im guessing theres not really any budget. If your buying a 2080TI i would definitely at least go 2k/4k. I agree with @BigDamn, having 2 2080TI's is extreme overkill. 16GB i would say is best minimum for system RAM, but 32GB isnt necesarilly a crazy thing to get if you have the money for it and you still want to get that. Personally i would go with a 500gb SSD and a 2-3TB HDD for storage's, and you can always add more HDD's down the road if necessary. In Terms of the CPU, i mean ya it is the very best out there right now for gaming, but for the price and since your not recording/streaming, you could even jump down to say an 8700k to save money and still get roughly the same output (More cores isnt always better or necessary) .If you still want it cause its the best then by all means it will do just fine. In terms of the Power Supply, 1200w isnt really needed either, especially with 1 card. If your gonna do some overclocking or think your gonna hit some sort of limit, i would be surprised if an 850w wouldnt be enough for your use case. 

 

Honestly, i would find out what kind of monitor your wanting first, watch some videos and comparisons on the CPU's / GPU's your interested in to get a "rough idea" of what you can get out of what you pick, and go from there. 

There is always a budget, it's why I posted, in the hope for good advice like I am getting where I can invest the budget elsewhere, as stated the monitor will be purchased to suit this rig.

 

 

49 minutes ago, 16:9 said:

What were your previous rigs? is there for example a Monitor you want to recycle? Also are you sure that you need that good of a CPU and GPU like what games are you even going to play are you going to do work, because otherwise you don't need that good of a CPU and at most an i5 or i7 

I have not had a gaming rig for around 5 years, have had a MSI gaming laptop for the last two years, but just looking for get back into the desktop side of things.

 

40 minutes ago, Manderis said:

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xrvctg
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xrvctg/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($529.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H115i RGB PLATINUM 97 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($149.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($238.61 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($247.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($84.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB AORUS Video Card  ($1347.68 @ Newegg Business) 
Case: Thermaltake -  View 71 TG RGB ATX Full Tower Case  ($194.37 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 850 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($133.89 @ Amazon) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit  ($124.79 @ OutletPC) 
Monitor: Asus - ROG SWIFT PG278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($554.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $3747.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-22 07:21 EST-0500

 

That is a dumb OP setup

 

Not sure about CPU Cooler, Case and Monitor, just took the first two out of your list because it is a optical preference and the Monitor because it is G-Sync and 1440p @165 Hz but I don't know if those specific items are good.

 

And you could argue that you don't have to pay the Samsung SSD premium because you don't feel the bonus speed anyways.

 

The price / performance advice would be 9700k or 8700k plus a 2080 but if you want to go all out I won't stop you  

 

Thanks for taking the time to do that, it's much appreciated and very helpful.

[Manderis]

Lucky for you, there is a UK version of pcpp. 

 

Gpu and monitor should match. If you get 2x 2080 ti sli with a 1080p @60 Hz monitor there would really be no point in it. Except super compute workstation maybe. 

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/h26dTB
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/h26dTB/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (£499.97 @ CCL Computers) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H115i RGB PLATINUM 97 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£136.49 @ Scan.co.uk) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£227.96 @ More Computers) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£143.58 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£223.48 @ Senetic) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£109.50 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB AORUS Video Card  (£1309.79 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Case: Thermaltake -  View 71 TG RGB ATX Full Tower Case  (£173.05 @ More Computers) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 850 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£131.35 @ CCL Computers) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  (£94.92 @ PC World Business) 
Monitor: Asus - ROG SWIFT PG278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor  (£569.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £3619.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-22 13:39 GMT+0000

[Tearz49ers]

1 minute ago, Manderis said:

Lucky for you, there is a UK version of pcpp. 

 

Gpu and monitor should match. If you get 2x 2080 ti sli with a 1080p @60 Hz monitor there would really be no point in it. Except super compute workstation maybe. 

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/h26dTB
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/h26dTB/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (£499.97 @ CCL Computers) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H115i RGB PLATINUM 97 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£136.49 @ Scan.co.uk) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ULTRA ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£227.96 @ More Computers) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£143.58 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£223.48 @ Senetic) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£109.50 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB AORUS Video Card  (£1309.79 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Case: Thermaltake -  View 71 TG RGB ATX Full Tower Case  (£173.05 @ More Computers) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 850 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£131.35 @ CCL Computers) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  (£94.92 @ PC World Business) 
Monitor: Asus - ROG SWIFT PG278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor  (£569.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £3619.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-22 13:39 GMT+0000

I didn't know that, that's perfect, thanks for taking the time again.. very helpful for someone fresh faced in terms of PC building