What will come after the end of the 8-Core FX line from AMD?

[Inimigor]

Leave your thoughts, i am willing to buy an 8-Core CPU, if they still exist when i feel the need to upgrade Phenom X6! But since there's this rumor that the AM3+ socket is the last of its line i get curious if it is because there won't be processors like these anymore, or if it's because they'll have completely new socket!

(Yeah... It really is a 4 year old but it's a gold one, 5Ghz quite hot with H100i and 4.6 Normally)

[Jogostar]

most games don't even use 4 cores..so yeah.

[SkilledRebuilds]

I'd still be using AMD if......FX CPU's had the same number of floating point units as integer units, they'd be a lot better IMO.

Hopefully AMD have been working on this in secret and will drop a bomb announcement at some stage in the near future.

[Cryptonite]

I'd still be using AMD if......FX CPU's had the same number of floating point units as integer units, they'd be a lot better IMO.

Hopefully AMD have been working on this in secret and will drop a bomb announcement at some stage in the near future.

We can only hope.

[IVIeLt]

Hopefully 8 core APU's with shared system memory so we can utilize the on board GPU for tasks that are better run on a GPU. Free up some of that CPU and let the graphics card worry about less.

 

 

most games don't even use 4 cores..so yeah.

 

That's going to be very untrue in the very near future though

[Guest GRRigger]

I'd still be using AMD if......FX CPU's had the same number of floating point units as integer units, they'd be a lot better IMO.

Hopefully AMD have been working on this in secret and will drop a bomb announcement at some stage in the near future.

Something like 6 / 8 core steamroller that use HSA and hUMA, so it doensnt need shared stuff but only use onboard gpu for floating point calc.

[StormtrooperStu]

Guys, as the PS4 and Xbox 1 have eight cores, although not all are used for games, developers are going to push the need for more cores.

 

Playing Crysis 3 and BF4 all eight of my cores are used.

[TechFan@ic]

I expect to see AMD back in the high-end with fresh products after Carrizo possibly with Basilisk and FM3.
AMD will be at 14nm XM by then (2016), Microsoft will have integrated HSA deeply into its Windows 9 OS and I expect heterogeneous compute to have picked up fairly wide adoption by then.

Anandtech is speculating that we're going to see the end of the line for AMD's modular architecture after Excavator which is the CPU core inside Carrizo APUs coming in 2015.
I disagree, I think AMD is going to stick to the modular Bulldozer architecture for the foreseeable future after all AMD went for this architecture because it saves valuable die-space for larger integrated GPUs.

Carrizo will not bring a significant GPU performance improvement because of the memory bottleneck that's currently holding back GPU performance on Kaveri.
AMD isn't going to waste valuable die space on a larger GPU that is going to be starved for bandwidth.

However the product after Carrizo is going to be the most revolutionary, it will be the first to use die stacking which will allow it to separate the GPU, CPU, memory controller, other accelerators, fabric and IO.
Each of these will have its own separate die, built on an optimized process, we'll get CPU cores that can reach very high clocks and very good efficiency, GPUs that consume very little power and produce very little heat, the fabric will be significantly faster, the memory controller will be significantly more advanced.
All of this because each component will be manufactured on its own optimized process node and then packaged together via die stacking into one package.

AMD will also have HBM (High Bandwidth Memory) ready and integrated into the package this will bring massive memory bandwidth improvements, almost 10X and will completely eliminate all memory bottlenecks that have been holding back GPU performance.

You'll be able to buy an APU with R9 270X GPU performance that can fit into an ultra-thin notebook.

[Priller]

There is something else in the pipeline for AMD AM3+ socket. That's been reported a number of times.

[flibberdipper]

They'll probably make more on the FM2+ socket, like 6 or 8 core APUs. Or maybe a new name for something like the FX series.

[Humbug]

As techfan@ic said I think it's the 28nm process node which is holding AMD back a bit compared to Intel. I think they have given up trying to create high end CPUs until they can progress on the manufacturing side.

 

There is something else in the pipeline for AMD AM3+ socket. That's been reported a number of times.

Source?

[Priller]

As techfan@ic said I think it's the 28nm process node which is holding AMD back a bit compared to Intel. I think they have given up trying to create high end CPUs until they can progress on the manufacturing side.

 

Source?

 

Been on several other forums and it was involving Tweets. I dont have Twitter so i can't look it up.

 

But you can always use google.

[Inimigor]

Hopefully 8 core APU's with shared system memory so we can utilize the on board GPU for tasks that are better run on a GPU. Free up some of that CPU and let the graphics card worry about less.

Secondary process that are made by the GPU would be somewhat awesome to be integraded in the CPU for sure, but i think i would prefer it sort of a dedicaded CPU with that capability, not an APU, Cause APU's target is exactly you not to need a GPU. I wish they made a badass CPU with people who buy graphics card in mind, and complement each other a little bit more!

[IVIeLt]

Secondary process that are made by the GPU would be somewhat awesome to be integraded in the CPU for sure, but i think i would prefer it sort of a dedicaded CPU with that capability, not an APU, Cause APU's target is exactly you not to need a GPU. I wish they made a badass CPU with people who buy graphics card in mind, and complement each other a little bit more!

 

There are many usage cases for an APU, wether you want a decent GPU performance without the need to have a descrete GPU for the job, or if you want to be able to use the APU to tackle tasks that are better run on a GPU than a CPU such as physics and free up resources on the descrete GPU. An 8 core APU would be made specifically with gaming systems in mind so the APU could take care of alot of the work and allow the descrete GPU to allocate more resources to rendering etc. It would really be a great improvement for gaming rigs overall and would be that badass CPU that your reffering to.

[paulsterio]

Given that the only thing Intel is losing to AMD on at the moment is integrated graphics, once Intel decides to finish up things with Iris Pro and ship it as standard with the majority of its processors, AMD will be down for the count. 

 

Imagine a 4670K class processor with graphics better than what Iris Pro is at the moment, you'll get better CPU and comparable GPU performance with AMD's APUs. 

 

I can't help but feel that the future for AMD is not the enthusiast desktop market, their market share has been declining ever since their Athlon 64 days, Intel really Conroe'd them and have been doing so for the past couple of years, unless AMD comes up with something as revolutionary as what Intel did with Conroe or Nehalem, they're only going to lose more and more each day as Intel fills the gaps. 

[TymmVonD]

As long as there are Opterons, there will be a group of those rebranded as consumer CPUs. Follow the Opteron to see the next "FX".

[TymmVonD]

most games don't even use 4 cores..so yeah.

All next gen console games will..so yeah. It'll be interesting how a console game is ported to PC from an 8 core to a 4 core system. Extra cores also benefit the background processes like VOIP clients, web browsing, OC utilities, Rivatuner, etc; so that you can use the rest of the cores for gaming.

[TymmVonD]

Given that the only thing Intel is losing to AMD on at the moment is integrated graphics, once Intel decides to finish up things with Iris Pro and ship it as standard with the majority of its processors, AMD will be down for the count. 

 

Imagine a 4670K class processor with graphics better than what Iris Pro is at the moment, you'll get better CPU and comparable GPU performance with AMD's APUs. 

 

I can't help but feel that the future for AMD is not the enthusiast desktop market, their market share has been declining ever since their Athlon 64 days, Intel really Conroe'd them and have been doing so for the past couple of years, unless AMD comes up with something as revolutionary as what Intel did with Conroe or Nehalem, they're only going to lose more and more each day as Intel fills the gaps. 

What AMD is doing with HSA can be huge. They realized that GPU compute is way more powerful and faster than CPU. The CPU doesn't need to be powerful. It needs lots of cores and has to be able to give the GPU what it needs fast enough.  When/If all of our programs get coded for GPU, then we'll see what the next leap in general compute is like. nVidia understands this as well. The reason, I believe, the K1 is a thing. Kaveri, in my mind, as a whole, will be the CPU. CPU+GPU to handle traditional tasks, and a dedicated GPU for gaming or 3D rendering.