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1070Ti Not Performing Well

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It would seem your CPU is holding back your GPU significantly, to the point stuttering is happening.

So I recently upgraded from a 970 to a Geforce GTX 1070Ti. I played Black Ops 4 on my 970 with no problems, but after upgrading i get really bad frame issues, even when making all the settings low and changing settings in the NVIDIA Control Panel. And I deleted the old drivers using DDU and installed the latest ones already.

 

At first I thought something must be bottle necking the system, but it didn't make sense to me that a newer card would perform worse. When I did benchmarks, UserBenchmark for example said my computer is perfect for gaming (see below).

 

With Black Ops 4, some areas are over 170 FPS, but other areas make it come down to like 90 FPS. Moving the aim around like crazy and shooting makes it drop to 50 anywhere. (see attached screenshots)

In DOOM (2016), the FPS is usually over 100, but certain action parts (glorykills for example) make it drop to below 60.

In Fallout 4 (where the FPS is capped at 60), some outdoor areas make it drop to mid 50s.

 

I don't know how to use a lot of hardware monitoring software, so I included a screenshot of HWiNFO of my GPU during a match of BO4 Multiplayer. I turned on CPU and GPU time in BO4 and saw that the GPU time was always more than the CPU. Since the higher number means it's taking longer to process a frame, does that mean the GPU is the bottleneck? I'm just not sure what the issue could be after trying to google it for a while. Any help would be appreciated.

 

UserBenchmarks: Game 94%, Desk 61%, Work 40%

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K - 66.6%
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1070-Ti - 117%
SSD: Samsung 850 Pro 1TB - 55.7%
HDD: WD Black 2TB (2013) - 98%
HDD: Toshiba MK5076GSX 500GB - 34.9%
RAM: Unknown F3-12800CL9-4GBXL F3-12800CL9-4GBXL 8GB - 61.3%
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It would seem your CPU is holding back your GPU significantly, to the point stuttering is happening.

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@AcidAddict33

your CPU is bottlenecking the card to the point where you're getting worse performance than your older card

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What is your CPU usage when playing? Around 80% or more while gaming is generally considered a bottleneck. What resolution do you play at?

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Like others said your CPU is holding you back.  You were better off upgrading your CPU and sticking with your 980 TI ............ Now you jmust buy a new cpu to make the 1070Ti shine and what not.

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13 hours ago, Cereal5 said:

What is your CPU usage when playing? Around 80% or more while gaming is generally considered a bottleneck. What resolution do you play at?

I played at 1080p and I don't remember the exact CPU usage but it was more than 80%.

 

I thought that a bottleneck would be possible but I thought worst case scenario it would give only slightly better performance, not worse. I am now using my old 970 in the meantime before I upgrade my CPU. I just bought the 1070Ti because it was on sale. Thank you everyone for the advice.

 

 

Any recommendations as to what CPU would get the job done if gaming at 1080p is what I'm mainly using it for?

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3 hours ago, AcidAddict33 said:

I played at 1080p and I don't remember the exact CPU usage but it was more than 80%.

 

I thought that a bottleneck would be possible but I thought worst case scenario it would give only slightly better performance, not worse. I am now using my old 970 in the meantime before I upgrade my CPU. I just bought the 1070Ti because it was on sale. Thank you everyone for the advice.

 

 

Any recommendations as to what CPU would get the job done if gaming at 1080p is what I'm mainly using it for?

Yeah, I'm not super surprised. CPU bottlenecks often introduce some serious stuttering and the likes.

 

Pretty much any LGA 1155 i7, k-SKU preferrable obviously. That's a 2600K, 2700K, or 3770K (with a BIOS update). That should give you a sizable increase in performance. If you want the most for your money though, I would do a full upgrade to Ryzen, if you can afford it. It will be better money spent and better in the long run (don't count the i7 out though, it's a great immediate upgrade and budget option).

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FYI - What you can do in the meantime,.. is make your GPU bound'ness take priority over CPU bound'ness.

Say your CPU can drive a GPU to near 100fps,.. but when a GPU can do more,.. the CPU starts to suffer greatly, stuttering and such.

 

If you use resolution scaling, or higher details (if allowable) or Nvidia DSR downscaling if Res-Scaling in-game isn't available.
Forcing a GPU bound situation (But trying to still maintain high enough FPS to be fun,..and less stress on the CPU)
So if your CPU can do 80-100FPS easily,.but has severe drops when it goes up and beyond,..and is inconsistent,.. make the CPU only need to prepare for 60-70fps ranges with harsher GPU settings, or an FPS CAP to 65-75fps somewhere...

It may not be ideal,.. but it may be more enjoyable than what you've got now. (Plus looking better)

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1 hour ago, Cereal5 said:

Yeah, I'm not super surprised. CPU bottlenecks often introduce some serious stuttering and the likes.

 

Pretty much any LGA 1155 i7, k-SKU preferrable obviously. That's a 2600K, 2700K, or 3770K (with a BIOS update). That should give you a sizable increase in performance. If you want the most for your money though, I would do a full upgrade to Ryzen, if you can afford it. It will be better money spent and better in the long run (don't count the i7 out though, it's a great immediate upgrade and budget option).

Would an upgrade be mandatory, or would overclocking the 2500k to like 4.0ghz be sufficient enough? Like I'm unsure if the chip itself cannot physically keep up with the GPU or if it's just because of it's running at 3.3ghz. Reading old forum posts I see people running it at 4.5ghz no problem.

 

3 minutes ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

FYI - What you can do in the meantime,.. is make your GPU bound'ness take priority over CPU bound'ness.

Say your CPU can drive a GPU to near 100fps,.. but when a GPU can do more,.. the CPU starts to suffer greatly, stuttering and such.

 

If you use resolution scaling, or higher details (if allowable) or Nvidia DSR downscaling if Res-Scaling in-game isn't available.
Forcing a GPU bound situation (But trying to still maintain high enough FPS to be fun,..and less stress on the CPU)
So if your CPU can do 80-100FPS easily,.but has severe drops when it goes up and beyond,..and is inconsistent,.. make the CPU only need to prepare for 60-70fps ranges with harsher GPU settings, or an FPS CAP to 65-75fps somewhere...

It may not be ideal,.. but it may be more enjoyable than what you've got now. (Plus looking better)

That may be what I do if my first idea of overclocking does not work/isn't possible, thanks for the advice.

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1 minute ago, AcidAddict33 said:

Would an upgrade be mandatory, or would overclocking the 2500k to like 4.0ghz be sufficient enough? Like I'm unsure if the chip itself cannot physically keep up with the GPU or if it's just because of it's running at 3.3ghz. Reading old forum posts I see people running it at 4.5ghz no problem.

Well, than I'm sure you've also read that ever CPU overclocks differently. I'm surprised you haven't overclocked your CPU already. Absolutely do, but I wouldn't expect it to suddenly be fine and dandy. It might alleviate some of the bottleneck, though how much I don't know.

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Audio --- Headphones: Massdrop x Sennheiser HD 6XX || Amp: Schiit Audio Magni 3 || DAC: Schiit Audio Modi 3 || Mic: Blue Yeti

 

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My Truck --- 2002 F-350 7.3 Powerstroke || 6-speed

My Car --- 2006 Mustang GT || 5-speed || BBK LTs, O/R X, MBRP Cat-back || BBK Lowering Springs, LCAs || 2007 GT500 wheels w/ 245s/285s

 

The Experiment --- CPU: i5-3570K @ 4.0 GHz || MoBo: Asus P8Z77-V LK || RAM: 16GB Corsair 1600 4x4 || Cooler: CM Hyper 212 Evo || GPUs: Asus GTX 750 Ti, || PSU: Corsair TX750M Gold || Case: Thermaltake Core G21 TG || SSD: 840 Pro 128GB || HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB

 

R.I.P. Asus X99-A motherboard, April 2016 - October 2018, may you rest in peace. 5820K, if I ever buy you a new board, it'll be a good one.

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I'd like to think that 8 threads at ..4.2Ghz-4.6Ghz StockCooling vs BetterCooling on a 2600K would do the job, But you really want fast memory to enhance the experience in regards to up the minimum framerates and lower the potential stutters at 100fps or so and stressful situations that your experiencing now...


That could very well be too expensive for some peoples situations as well..
But would be my pick at what to do, if you can find cheap bargain on such items..

2600 non-K, 2600K, 2700K, min-1866Mhz Memory, 2133-2400Mhz Ideal

However that Memory above 1600Mhz needs a Z-Board/Chipset. H-boards are 1600Mhz Memory limited.

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