CPU upgrade feels like a downgrade

[Ablindrhino]

So I installed my new CPU around Christmas time (replaced my AMD phenom ii x4 965 BE at 3.8 ghz with an fx-6300) this should feel like an upgrade. What I am not understanding is that bf4 ran fine on high settings with my old setup, and now I get game breaking frame drops every 3 seconds. I figured it might be a gpu problem because of my cf 7870's but I found out it wasn't when I got a gtx 780 because the performance was identical. I unpacked my cores and it was still there, I disabled all the appropriate safeguards that cause throttling of the CPU, and I also want to say that these frame drops only really appear so horribly in bf4 but do in some other games occasionally. I don't know where to go from here. I was thinking that I may reinstall my heat sink, reapply my thermal paste, or reinstall my os. I want to know what everyone else's take is on this and see if you guys can help me out with this extremely frustrating problem, because I know this setup is completely capable.

Fx6300

Asrock 970 extreme 3

MSI gtx 780 lightning

Corsair vengeance 8gbs at 1600 MHz

Corsair h80i

Corsair cx750m

[RatedBlam]

One issue could be bf4 itself

[Guest GRRigger]

Hahahah. cf 7970 is better than 780 ti

and your previous cpu was perfectly fine

 

do you say "upgrade" ?

 

at least you could mine or sell those 7970 for loads of money

[Dr3nz4r]

Hahahah. cf 7970 is better than 780 ti

and your previous cpu was perfectly fine

he had 7870's, and also a single pwoerful GPU is always better

[Megabikerjoe]

Hahahah. cf 7970 is better than 780 ti

and your previous cpu was perfectly fine

 

do you say "upgrade" ?

Pls read first.

[Recon-UK]

Phenom II bottlenecks anything passed a 7850.

You did not upgrade, you did a side walk then a small jump.

 

So basically a side grade.

[tp95112]

Try overclocking that cpu it helped with my 760 and also going to Nvdia control panel and making the gpu run full performance when in game

[Guest GRRigger]

he had 7870's, and also a single pwoerful GPU is always better

oh right, thats true. reading too fast.

 

But my point is, phenom ii x4 965 BE is better in single thread tasks than 6300. So its not so much slower than 6300.

[Guest GRRigger]

Phenom II bottlenecks anything passed a 7850.

no. based off syntetics its 6% faster in single threaded to 6350.

[tp95112]

no.

It does, Owning one before it bottlenecked a 7850

[speciealpha]

It does, Owning one before it bottlenecked a 7850

bottlenecking isn't that simple. it's incredibly dependent on what tasks you are doing. there are so many possible variables here

[tp95112]

bottlenecking isn't that simple. it's incredibly dependent on what tasks you are doing. there are so many possible variables here

Just playing games and gpu usage was not at what was optimal. Battleifeld 3 on ultra it was only at 50-70 once in a while 100

[Recon-UK]

I had a GTX 480 on my Phenom II at 4.0ghz, the 480 was hardly stressed even in Black Ops 1, the 2500k saw over 100% improvement in minimum and average FPs with no OC.

[speciealpha]

Just playing games and gpu usage was not at what was optimal. Battleifeld 3 on ultra it was only at 50-70 once in a while 100

yeah maybe, but you can't possibly say "Phenom II bottlenecks anything passed a 7850".  bottlenecking isn't that clear cut.  There are so many software variables.  Maybe it will be a CPU bottleneck when a helicopter explodes and the CPU has to do a lot of physics calculations. But maybe it will be the GPU if you are looking at a waterfall and the GPU has to process all those reflections. 

[Recon-UK]

yeah maybe, but you can't possibly say "Phenom II bottlenecks anything passed a 7850".  bottlenecking isn't that clear cut.  There are so many software variables.  Maybe it will be bottlenecking it is a helicopter explodes and the cpu has to do a lot of physics calculations. But maybe it will be the GPU if you are looking at a waterfall and the GPU has to process all those reflections. 

No, it really is that clear cut when you get 100% improvements in minimum and average frames.

[speciealpha]

No, it really is that clear cut when you get 100% improvements in minimum and average frames.

Battlefield has insane physics, physics are almost always cpu intensive. However if you are playing Bioshock for instance, where particle effects and physics are less important, then it will be less CPU intensive.

 

My point is that you can't say that a certain CPU will always bottleneck a certain GPU, that sort of statement isn't necessarily correct. FPS depends so much what you are doing at a single moment in time. 

[Recon-UK]

Battlefield has insane physics, physics are almost always cpu intensive. However if you are playing Bioshock for instance, where particle effects and physics are less important, then it will be less CPU intensive.

 

My point is that you can't say that a certain CPU will always bottleneck a certain GPU, that sort of statement is not clear cut. FPS depends so much what you are doing at a single moment in time. 

Well i will say this, 2500k at STOCK, was averaging 50% better performance across games, some games saw hardly a difference, and some did not matter as they were above 60FPS minimum.

 

Where it matters is games that are sporadic such as BF games, and for some instances Black Ops and other 2 threaded games.

 

This was all with just a GTX 480 heavily overclocked.

 

 

Oh, this is my 2500k and the 480 holding 75hz like a boss throughout....

 

In the last part of the video, the FPS limiter is uncapped and averaging 90FPS on large maps.

 

 

 

The same cannot be said for my Phenom II, my 7770's in crossfire get what that single 480 did, but with lower minimums due to CPU.

[Vague]

Wouldn't say it was much of an upgrade on the CPU area.

[Coswar]

So I installed my new CPU around Christmas time (replaced my AMD phenom ii x4 965 BE at 3.8 ghz with an fx-6300) this should feel like an upgrade. What I am not understanding is that bf4 ran fine on high settings with my old setup, and now I get game breaking frame drops every 3 seconds. I figured it might be a gpu problem because of my cf 7870's but I found out it wasn't when I got a gtx 780 because the performance was identical. I unpacked my cores and it was still there, I disabled all the appropriate safeguards that cause throttling of the CPU, and I also want to say that these frame drops only really appear so horribly in bf4 but do in some other games occasionally. I don't know where to go from here. I was thinking that I may reinstall my heat sink, reapply my thermal paste, or reinstall my os. I want to know what everyone else's take is on this and see if you guys can help me out with this extremely frustrating problem, because I know this setup is completely capable.

Fx6300

Asrock 970 extreme 3

MSI gtx 780 lightning

Corsair vengeance 8gbs at 1600 MHz

Corsair h80i

Corsair cx750m

An easy way to find out if it is a CPU bottleneck is to do an a good overclock on it , an see how much (if any) your fps improves by. Could be that you just need to reinstall bf4. If I were you i'd reinstall bf4 first , then try the overclocking, and worst case try a reinstall. A 6300 should be able to play bf4 reasonably. If you can afford it you could sell the 6300 and get an 8350 or 8320

[rambi36]

An easy way to find out if it is a CPU bottleneck is to do an a good overclock on it , an see how much (if any) your fps improves by. Could be that you just need to reinstall bf4. If I were you i'd reinstall bf4 first , then try the overclocking, and worst case try a reinstall. A 6300 should be able to play bf4 reasonably. If you can afford it you could sell the 6300 and get an 8350 or 8320

Would not be worth it to go and get an 8320 or an 8350. An FX 6300 should easily be able to run bf4 without any issues. It could be graphics driver issues (Since AMD cards always have had some issues in the drivers for Crossfire) or try getting an oc on you fx 6300. If you don't have a decent cooler atm, get a Hyper 212 evo. for around $30-$40, this cooler does a great job of cooling 

[deathjester]

If you are on Windows 7 get this. Run it, unpark cores, reboot. If on Windows 8? Upgrade to Windows 8.1

 

http://www.coderbag.com/Uploads/Unpark-CPU-App.zip

 

Windows 7 and 8 thread games don't work well until you unpark cores. Win 8.1 fixed it. You can fix it yourself. 

 

And, no this won't damage anything. It will use slightly more wattage at idle states, which doesn't matter on a desktop. You have no battery life to worry about. Unparking cores on Win 7 is about as "dangerous" as loading Win 8.1 on a computer.

[Ultimate_PIMP]

Some of you don't seem to know what bottlenecking is.

[Coswar]

Would not be worth it to go and get an 8320 or an 8350. An FX 6300 should easily be able to run bf4 without any issues. It could be graphics driver issues (Since AMD cards always have had some issues in the drivers for Crossfire) or try getting an oc on you fx 6300. If you don't have a decent cooler atm, get a Hyper 212 evo. for around $30-$40, this cooler does a great job of cooling 

I think he said he has a h80i. And no , it wouldn't be much of an upgrade but bf4 uses multithreading , so it would improve things and its the best am3+ CPU. Oh and he said he's using the 780mlightening now , so th CF drivers can't be the issue

[Priller]

OP, you did put the CPU on a crap board to begin with. If you can keep the temps down and push the CPU clock then a 63XX CPU is a decent performer for the money.

[ltguy]

So basically you went from a quad core to a triple core ( two integer units per core whatever).