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You need to have an 8th gen CPU to access the BIOS before an update. Got a PC shop nearby to lend one?

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Hey All,

 

So I am trying to troubleshoot my new build (specs below...) and I was wondering, does anyone know how to Flash Bios on a MSI z370m Mortar (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z370M-MORTAR/Overview)?

 

I have installed everything on the board on my trusty cardboard test bench, but when I attempt to power the bugger on I get nothing. No post, no beeper codes. Just pretty lights and a blank screen. I have reseated the CPU, reinstalled the cooler, tested the PSU, moved the ram around (only using a single stick). All the normal things I could think of. 

 

Is there anything else I can try that y'all can think of? I downloaded the latest bios with compatibility to 9th gen CPUs on a thumb drive, but idk how to update bios if I cant reach it on this board.

 

I would prefer not to have to get an 8th gen CPU just to update bios, but it is what it is I guess haha. Really want to get this going cause my current rig is a 1st gen AMD quad core... You can probably tell why I am excited for a new build. Haha!

 

Thanks ahead of time!

 

Specs:

CPU: Intel Core i5-9600k

Mobo: MSI z370m Mortar

RAM: Ballistix Tactical Tracer 16GB DDR4 3000 (1 stick... maybe more in future ;D )

PSU: Thermaltake Smart RGB 700w 80+

GPU: EVGA Geforce GTX 1080ti SC2

Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240R

 

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You need to have an 8th gen CPU to access the BIOS before an update. Got a PC shop nearby to lend one?

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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3 minutes ago, Xerxces said:

1st gen AMD quad core...

Which 1st gen?

 

 

also, you need an 8th gen CPU to update the BIOS. take it to a local computer shop and they might do it there or buy a very cheap 8th gen CPU

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Considering the ONLY difference between the i5 9600K and i5 8600K is that the 9th gen is soldered while the 8th gen isn't but most of the time 5ghz is doable without delidding the i5 8600K either ways you should have went with 8th gen all along and spared yourself the headache.

Personal Desktop":

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: AMD R9 7950XT  |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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7 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Which 1st gen?

 

 

also, you need an 8th gen CPU to update the BIOS. take it to a local computer shop and they might do it there or buy a very cheap 8th gen CPU

Won't it be cheaper to buy a new MB rather than buying a cheap 8th gen chip?

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14 minutes ago, Xerxces said:

Hey All,

 

So I am trying to troubleshoot my new build (specs below...) and I was wondering, does anyone know how to Flash Bios on a MSI z370m Mortar (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z370M-MORTAR/Overview)?

 

I have installed everything on the board on my trusty cardboard test bench, but when I attempt to power the bugger on I get nothing. No post, no beeper codes. Just pretty lights and a blank screen. I have reseated the CPU, reinstalled the cooler, tested the PSU, moved the ram around (only using a single stick). All the normal things I could think of. 

 

Is there anything else I can try that y'all can think of? I downloaded the latest bios with compatibility to 9th gen CPUs on a thumb drive, but idk how to update bios if I cant reach it on this board.

 

I would prefer not to have to get an 8th gen CPU just to update bios, but it is what it is I guess haha. Really want to get this going cause my current rig is a 1st gen AMD quad core... You can probably tell why I am excited for a new build. Haha!

 

Thanks ahead of time!

 

Specs:

CPU: Intel Core i5-9600k

Mobo: MSI z370m Mortar

RAM: Ballistix Tactical Tracer 16GB DDR4 3000 (1 stick... maybe more in future ;D )

PSU: Thermaltake Smart RGB 700w 80+

GPU: EVGA Geforce GTX 1080ti SC2

Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240R

 

AORUS Master is best mobo for Z390 atm. If you're looking for one.

You need a chip to flash BIOS, 8th Gen. Or ASUS motherboard with Flashback feature.

Main PC:

CPU: Intel Core i9 13900KS SP 116 (124P-102E) (6.1Ghz P-Cores 4.8Ghz E-cores) MC SP 88

CPU Voltage: LLC8 1.525V (real voltage 1.425V + - Temps 85-90 P-Cores, 70-73 E-cores)

Cooled by: Supercool Direct Die 14th gen full nickel

Motherboard: Z790 ASUS Maximus Apex Encore

RAM: GSkill TridentZ 2x24GB DDR5 8600Mhz CL38 (OC from 8000Mhz CL40)

GPU: RTX MSI 4090 Suprim X with EKWB waterblock

Case: My own case fabricated out of aluminium and wood

Storage: 4x 2TB Sarbent Rocket Plus Gen 4.0 NVMe, 1x External 2TB Seagate Barracuda (Backup)

WiFi: BE202 WiFi 7 Tri-Band card module

PSU: Corsair AX1600i with custom black and red cables with 2x Corsair 5V+ Load Balancer

Display: Samsung Oddysey G9 240Hz Ver. 5120x1440 with G-Sync and Freesync Premium Pro 1008 Firmware Ver, and 1x Electriq USB C 1080p 15'8 inch IPS portable display for temperature and stats, MSI 23'8 144Hz G-Sync

Fan Controllers:  6x AquaComputer Octo with 5 temperature sensors

Cooling: Three Custom Loops:

1st Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for GPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, red coolant

2nd Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for CPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, purple coolant

3rd Loop: 1x 240mm PE CoolStream radiator with 1x EKWB Revo D5 pump (RAM ONLY)

Total: 5x pumps and 13x radiators 50x 3000RPM Noctua Industrial fans

Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow V3 RGB - Green switches

Sound: Logitech Z680 5.1 THX Certified 505W Speakers

Mouse: Razer Basilisk Ultimate Wireless with charging dock

Piano: Yamaha P155

Phone: Oppo Find X5 Pro

Camera: Logitech Brio Pro 4K

VR: Oculus Rift S

External SSD: 256GB Overclocking OS

Laptop: MSI Titan GT77HX V13, RTX 4090 175W, i9 13980HX OC: P-Cores 5.8Ghz 3 cores and 5.2Ghz 5 cores and E-Cores 4.3Ghz, 192GB of RAM @5600Mhz @3600 (chipset limit),

12TB (3x4TB) of NVMe, 17'3 inch 4K 144Hz MiniLED screen, 4x 17'3 ASUS portable USB-C Monitors 240Hz, Creative Sound Blaster G6 Sound Card, Portable 16TB NVMe in TB4 enclosures (8x2TB), Razer Basilisk Ultimate Wireless with charging dock gaming mouse, Keychron K3 gaming keyboard with blue switches low profile, Logitech Brio 4K Webcam.

Hand held: ROG Ally with XG Mobile RTX 3080 with Keychron K3 low profile keyboard (Blue Switches) and Razer Hyperspeed V3 mouse and 4TB NVMe upgrade (WDBlack SN850X), with 100W 20000Mah power bank and portable monitor ROG XG17AHP 17'3 inch 240Hz with built in battery, and 518Wh Power station for Camping.

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Bummer deal. Alrighty, sounds like I need to save up more money haha!

 

As for my old build (which I apparently get to use a while longer... rofl) it has a phenom x4 series. Cant remember the model. So I might be wrong saying it's a 1st gen quad core. But hey, 10 year old processor. Still works like a charm (when it's not blue screening). ;D

 

Edit: So basically I need something like the Celeron G4900 just to change the bios? *hesitantly reaches for wallet*

 

I'm going to give MSI a call later and see if there is a backdoor. I will update this post for other trouble cases if I learn anything. Thanks for the help everyone!

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Aaaannnndddd confirmed. Just talked to MSI and they dont have the Bios rollback feature on it. So looks like I am buying myself a Celeron g4900 just to flash the bios. 

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2 hours ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

AORUS Master

Not everyone needs a US$ 294,00 motherboard for an i5... in fact that'd make the motherboard cost more than the processor which makes no sense.

 

The Aorus Pro is more than 100 dollars cheaper and completely adequated for 5ghz i5 8600K / i5 9600K.

Personal Desktop":

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: AMD R9 7950XT  |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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