SMART Result Wrong or Right?

[grangervoldemort]

2008 Hitachi 160GB SATA HDD

 

Crystaldiskinfo says 'Caution'

And the attribute 'Reallocated Sectors Count' is yellow.

It reads:
'Current - 100'
'Worst - 100' 
'Threshold - 67'

 

What the heck does that all mean and is this drive due to die anytime soon?

 

Thanks

[SSD Sean]

What is the raw value though? Screenshot?

 

Yellow usually means it’s got some issues and could be failing or on its way out. Back up all data ASAP for sure. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

If the value keeps increasing in a short amount of time, then yes, the drive is about to die. Otherwise it's not at the point where you definitively should replace it. However, I highly recommend backing up any data you want from it anyway.

 

For what those values mean: Current and worst values are normalized, with 1 being the worst and 253 being the best. Worst is just the lowest "Current" reading it had. "Threshold" is the lowest value that "Current" can be before you can consider the drive compromised and you should really stop using it ASAP.

[grangervoldemort]

[SSD Sean]

Burn it with fire!!! I don’t trust drives with any reallocated sectors and just throw them out. That drive is really old anyways, time to move on imo 

[grangervoldemort]

41 minutes ago, SSD Sean said:

Burn it with fire!!! I don’t trust drives with any reallocated sectors and just throw them out. That drive is really old anyways, time to move on imo 

But if the worst is 100 and current is 100 doesn't that mean it's fine?

 

I have backed up the data to a drive just as old. It's a Hitachi 500gb that you can see shows as fine in Crystaldiskinfo (Drive G).

 

What is the raw data and what does it mean. All I see are a whole bunch of numbers and letters.

 

Finally what is the best method to destroy old drives should I need to destroy it? Or should I take it to some kind of a center or something? 

 

Thanks

[demonix00]

1 hour ago, grangervoldemort said:

But if the worst is 100 and current is 100 doesn't that mean it's fine?

 

I have backed up the data to a drive just as old. It's a Hitachi 500gb that you can see shows as fine in Crystaldiskinfo (Drive G).

 

What is the raw data and what does it mean. All I see are a whole bunch of numbers and letters.

 

Finally what is the best method to destroy old drives should I need to destroy it? Or should I take it to some kind of a center or something? 

 

Thanks

I doubt that the current and worse data is worth reading as the raw values shows 5 meaning that it's more then likely had to reallocate 5 sectors which is the threshold (the information you posted was from the seek error rate line as that has a threshold of 67) and is why you're getting a caution warning as there's likely no more spare sectors available and any further bad sectors will remain as pending which will build until the drive just dies.

 

Destroying the drive would be rather extreme at the moment as it's still usable, but it shouldn't be used to store any critical data as failure would mean a total loss of data.

[grangervoldemort]

3 minutes ago, demonix00 said:

I doubt that the current and worse data is worth reading as the raw values shows 5 meaning that it's more then likely had to reallocate 5 sectors which is the threshold (the information you posted was from the seek error rate line as that has a threshold of 67) and is why you're getting a caution warning as there's likely no more spare sectors available and any further bad sectors will remain as pending which will build until the drive just dies.

 

Destroying the drive would be rather extreme at the moment as it's still usable, but it shouldn't be used to store any critical data as failure would mean a total loss of data.

Ah yeah you're right. Hard to read them the way they are. Would help if they had lines joined up between the text. Would make lining it all up, therefore reading it much easier.

 

Well this drive has slightly worse Crystaldiskmark results vs the 500gb drive. So I'm thinking to destroy this 160GB drive considering the SMART result is that and it won't be useful for anything anymore. 

Unless you can think of a use for it....

[SSD Sean]

You can use it as a torrent download drive or something where the data doesn't matter/can easily be rebuilt. Otherwise, you can just take a hammer to it and trash it. I usually unscrew them and salvage the magnets and metal platters and use them as "ninja" frisbees lol. 

[grangervoldemort]

14 minutes ago, SSD Sean said:

You can use it as a torrent download drive or something where the data doesn't matter/can easily be rebuilt. Otherwise, you can just take a hammer to it and trash it. I usually unscrew them and salvage the magnets and metal platters and use them as "ninja" frisbees lol. 

Ninja frisbees. Bruh you have no life XD.

 

The platters contains data that can still be retrieved. Best to destroy those platters if they held sensitive data.

Not sure a hammer would suffice. I tried hammering some platters once. Did nothing to them. 

I think the best option is to take them to a specialist hard drive destruction facility where you put the entire drive in and it gets grounded to dust. 

 

I don't use torrents. Why do you need a drive for downloading from torrent? WTF are you downloading that requires you to download regularly?!

[SSD Sean]

13 hours ago, grangervoldemort said:

Ninja frisbees. Bruh you have no life XD.

 

The platters contains data that can still be retrieved. Best to destroy those platters if they held sensitive data.

Not sure a hammer would suffice. I tried hammering some platters once. Did nothing to them. 

I think the best option is to take them to a specialist hard drive destruction facility where you put the entire drive in and it gets grounded to dust. 

 

I don't use torrents. Why do you need a drive for downloading from torrent? WTF are you downloading that requires you to download regularly?!

You asked and I provided answers. You don’t torrent? So guess what? You don’t need to get offended that I mentioned that. Unlike you, there are other people torrent files all the time...

 

It takes 2 minutes to disassemble a HDD...how’s that no life? I am a PC tech, I get tens of HDDs that are bad a month and are of no use. What else do you do when you have a surplus of garbage and are bored?

 

if someone is going to try to recover data off of bare metal platters after you disassembled the HDD and hammered them, you probably are in big trouble or in a place of power unlike most.

 

Normal folk won’t even know what they are looking at if they see a platter in the trash, let alone a while HDD. Once a platters surface is touched it screws with the data. Scraping the surface corrupts the data instantly and if a platter is smashed into pieces...well good luck getting any of that data back unless you’re willing to pay tens of thousands of dollars and hope for something. And when you hammer platters they shatter violently...I’ve done it quite a few times. Idk how weak your hits were, but it isn’t that hard...I’ve shattered 2.5” platters in my bare hands before, they aren’t that strong...but they are sharp lol

[grangervoldemort]

7 hours ago, SSD Sean said:

You asked and I provided answers. You don’t torrent? So guess what? You don’t need to get offended that I mentioned that. Unlike you, there are other people torrent files all the time...

 

It takes 2 minutes to disassemble a HDD...how’s that no life? I am a PC tech, I get tens of HDDs that are bad a month and are of no use. What else do you do when you have a surplus of garbage and are bored?

 

if someone is going to try to recover data off of bare metal platters after you disassembled the HDD and hammered them, you probably are in big trouble or in a place of power unlike most.

 

Normal folk won’t even know what they are looking at if they see a platter in the trash, let alone a while HDD. Once a platters surface is touched it screws with the data. Scraping the surface corrupts the data instantly and if a platter is smashed into pieces...well good luck getting any of that data back unless you’re willing to pay tens of thousands of dollars and hope for something. And when you hammer platters they shatter violently...I’ve done it quite a few times. Idk how weak your hits were, but it isn’t that hard...I’ve shattered 2.5” platters in my bare hands before, they aren’t that strong...but they are sharp lol

Dafuq you on about 'offended'. How dafuq am I gonna be offended if someone's torrenting?!

 

It was a motherfing joke. Althought tbh considering we are on this forum we clearly don't have a life. Male models on the other hand do.

 

Oh I don't know about anyone trying... my point was that hammering them seemed to do nothing. And people raid bins for information. I wouldn't be surprised if they got more tech savvy and went not only for paper but also memory sticks/ hard drives/hard drive platters.

 

You cannot smash a platter into pieces... it is metal. 

I smashed my platters with a heavy hammer for 40 minutes VERY hard till my hands hurt. I was amazed that it barely was able to dent the platters. I had to place sharp rocks underneath (hence why it took 40 mins - trial and error) to cause visible damage to the platters. 

 

Wtf kinda drives do you have that have shatter platters?! Mine were solid metal.

[documnt]

12 minutes ago, grangervoldemort said:

Dafuq you on about 'offended'. How dafuq am I gonna be offended if someone's torrenting?!

 

It was a motherfing joke. Althought tbh considering we are on this forum we clearly don't have a life. Male models on the other hand do.

 

Oh I don't know about anyone trying... my point was that hammering them seemed to do nothing. And people raid bins for information. I wouldn't be surprised if they got more tech savvy and went not only for paper but also memory sticks/ hard drives/hard drive platters.

 

You cannot smash a platter into pieces... it is metal. 

I smashed my platters with a heavy hammer for 40 minutes VERY hard till my hands hurt. I was amazed that it barely was able to dent the platters. I had to place sharp rocks underneath (hence why it took 40 mins - trial and error) to cause visible damage to the platters. 

 

Wtf kinda drives do you have that have shatter platters?! Mine were solid metal.

Guys for most users getting some software that writes multiple zeros over them is enough, on the other hand if you're really paranoid, do what I do and stick them in your sock draw.

[SSD Sean]

On 12/5/2018 at 5:54 PM, grangervoldemort said:

Oh I don't know about anyone trying... my point was that hammering them seemed to do nothing. And people raid bins for information. I wouldn't be surprised if they got more tech savvy and went not only for paper but also memory sticks/ hard drives/hard drive platters.

 

You cannot smash a platter into pieces... it is metal. 

I smashed my platters with a heavy hammer for 40 minutes VERY hard till my hands hurt. I was amazed that it barely was able to dent the platters. I had to place sharp rocks underneath (hence why it took 40 mins - trial and error) to cause visible damage to the platters. 

 

Wtf kinda drives do you have that have shatter platters?! Mine were solid metal.

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So to your surprise, platters aren't that tough...here's actual proof rather than just talk. LOL

 

Video: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4uildh19hw368tl/2.5 HDD Platter Shatter.MOV?dl=0

 

With my bare hands, I was able to bend a 3.5" platter without issues. Again, with my bare hands, this time only one actually, I shattered a 2.5" platter.

 

 

No hammers needed. I even was able to scratch the surface of a platter with another platter, thus rendering any data on those tracks destroyed...a hammer would do much more. Oh, and it only took about 20 seconds, if that? LOL. 

[grangervoldemort]

On 12/9/2018 at 7:05 PM, SSD Sean said:

So to your surprise, platters aren't that tough...here's actual proof rather than just talk. LOL

 

Video: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4uildh19hw368tl/2.5 HDD Platter Shatter.MOV?dl=0

 

With my bare hands, I was able to bend a 3.5" platter without issues. Again, with my bare hands, this time only one actually, I shattered a 2.5" platter.

 

 

No hammers needed. I even was able to scratch the surface of a platter with another platter, thus rendering any data on those tracks destroyed...a hammer would do much more. Oh, and it only took about 20 seconds, if that? LOL. 

your platters were VERY different to mine. Mine was an old drive and the platter were solid thick metal. 

[grangervoldemort]

On 12/5/2018 at 11:09 PM, documnt said:

Guys for most users getting some software that writes multiple zeros over them is enough, on the other hand if you're really paranoid, do what I do and stick them in your sock draw.

Paranoid? Bruh we have a business. We are a target more often than the surrounding residences. Just recently we had some guys try to break in (they were about 5 seconds away from getting in and being able to run up and kill us/harm us etc. People have gone through our bins too. I wouldn't trust writing all zeros. I would trust turning the platters into fine dust. 

[grangervoldemort]

On 12/9/2018 at 7:05 PM, SSD Sean said:

So to your surprise, platters aren't that tough...here's actual proof rather than just talk. LOL

 

Video: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4uildh19hw368tl/2.5 HDD Platter Shatter.MOV?dl=0

 

With my bare hands, I was able to bend a 3.5" platter without issues. Again, with my bare hands, this time only one actually, I shattered a 2.5" platter.

 

 

No hammers needed. I even was able to scratch the surface of a platter with another platter, thus rendering any data on those tracks destroyed...a hammer would do much more. Oh, and it only took about 20 seconds, if that? LOL. 

I notice your bigger platters sitting on the table has one that is bent. It didn't shatter. I wonder if that's like how I described the one I destroyed with a hammer. Well dented the crap out of it which took hours.

 

EDIT
Looks like you were being manipulative. Why? Turns out 2.5 inch drives use glass while 3.5 inch use aluminium.

 

The metal platters cannot shatter. Scratching every mm of every platter would take FOREVER. Better to put it in a HDD destroyer and turn it to dust to be recycled. 

[grangervoldemort]

 

[documnt]

On 12/11/2018 at 8:27 PM, grangervoldemort said:

Paranoid? Bruh we have a business. We are a target more often than the surrounding residences. Just recently we had some guys try to break in (they were about 5 seconds away from getting in and being able to run up and kill us/harm us etc. People have gone through our bins too. I wouldn't trust writing all zeros. I would trust turning the platters into fine dust. 

Um if its good enough for the DOD its good enough for me.  If people are trying to kill me I don't think I would give a %^$# about my computer. 

[LunaP0n3]

On 12/5/2018 at 7:33 AM, grangervoldemort said:

What the heck does that all mean and is this drive due to die anytime soon?

 

Thanks

Reallocated sectors are when a HDD determines a particular area of one of the platters is too difficult to read from. In which case the drive marks the area for re-allocation and the next time the disk has an I/O operation at that area it will read everything it can, and then marks the area as permanently bad.

 

The data is moved to the drive's spare area, and the next time the system requests the data from the original location, it will read it from the spare area. It isn't unusual for a drive to get a reallocation event every once in a while, but if the frequency of the reallocation events increases drastically, consider pulling everything off the drive and don't use it any more. It's a sign that the read/write head or the disk surface may be going out.

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

on the same note, does anyone know what this means ?