Swedish Internete Provider Banhof Announces 10Gbit/s Broadband

[mynameisjuan]

10 minutes ago, WereCat said:

ISP charges extra €10 for each extra 5Mb/s up... IDK why.

The equipment feeding your connection is the reason. Like our GPON equipment has a total of 2.4/1.2gbps of bandwidth for up to 48 customers. Its just a lot of standard protocols limit upload.

[Tech_Dreamer]

Poods must be happy!

[Belgarathian]

How are you even supposed to take advantage of this? 

[leadeater]

4 hours ago, mynameisjuan said:

We have a 10 gig link to a college dorm which has around 400 active users. Average use is around 800mbps, spikes to 2 gigs. 

 

Honestly people dont realize how much traffic they actually use. 100mbps is more than enough

 

Campus of about 9000 students and 2500 ish staff internet use over the last week, dual 10Gb connection to internet.

 

 

Yep really need that 10Gb lol.
 

Spoiler

 

Between DCs needs it though 

 

 

 

[Energycore]

On 2/21/2018 at 2:21 PM, PCGuy_5960 said:

Meanwhile most people don't even have a 100Mbit/s connection.

Proud owner of a 20Mbit connection here.

[Energycore]

42 minutes ago, Belgarathian said:

How are you even supposed to take advantage of this? 

By downloading every single game in the Steam Store

[mynameisjuan]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

 

Campus of about 9000 students and 2500 ish staff internet use over the last week, dual 10Gb connection to internet.

 

Yep really need that 10Gb lol.
 

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Between DCs needs it though 

 

 

 

Wow, the students at the college here use a lot more data. Unrestricted traffic maybe? 

 

Their connection is running about a gig right now with less students. But the fact still stands that 1000's of people can barely saturate a gig. 

 

But yeah your graph too shows how little data people actually use and the reason why I laugh when people say then NEED a gig connection and could saturate it all the time.....then proceeds with the steam game argument.. ..lol

 

 

[leadeater]

32 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Wow, the students at the college here use a lot more data. Unrestricted traffic maybe? 

 

Their connection is running about a gig right now with less students. But the fact still stands that 1000's of people can barely saturate a gig. 

 

But yeah your graph too shows how little data people actually use and the reason why I laugh when people say then NEED a gig connection and could saturate it all the time.....then proceeds with the steam game argument.. ..lol

Yea restricted/filtered browsing and traffic shaping. Dorm internet connections are not provided by us other than physical cabling, local ISP does it.

[Bcat00]

That's what happens when the country is so small. The cost isn't as high so they can afford to put ti across the country.

[PocketNerd]

I pay more than that for 150mbps....

That said, I love how Scandinavia is proving everyone wrong about how to run an economy

[leadeater]

2 minutes ago, Bcat00 said:

That's what happens when the country is so small. The cost isn't as high so they can afford to put ti across the country.

Not really, bigger country with a stronger economy means more money. Using size is a bad way to look at it, cost per mile is much better and smaller countries have a higher cost per mile. The worst hit countries will be ones with large land area with smaller population size, that's a double hit worst case.

[ewook]

On 2/21/2018 at 9:16 PM, Marcsmen said:

Swedish ISP Banhof announced today that it is going to offer broadband with speeds of up to 10Gbit/s for private individuals and up to 100 Gbit/s for businesses. 

The speeds have been achieved by building out their core fiber network, "Northern Light" throughout Sweden. The price is set out to be around 60 USD per month for 10Git/s.

 

Source´s (swedish): https://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/25269-bahnhof-slapper-bredband-pa-10-000-mbit-s-for-privatpersoner

https://www.bahnhof.se/press/press-releases/2018/02/21/bahnhof-lanserar-10-000-mbit-s-till-privatpersoner-for-298-kr-man

I've been following some of the northen lights build.. I am impressed with what the future will hold for Banhof, since they do have a better view on net neutrality than most ISP's as well for the consumer. Sad I'm "stuck" with 1000/1000 with ownit.

[ewook]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

 

Campus of about 9000 students and 2500 ish staff internet use over the last week, dual 10Gb connection to internet.

 

 

Yep really need that 10Gb lol.
 

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Between DCs needs it though 

 

 

 

Overhead is nice. I'd rather take that any day of the week - then cap out and turn the interwebs and connections into mush.

[ewook]

11 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Not really, bigger country with a stronger economy means more money. Using size is a bad way to look at it, cost per mile is much better and smaller countries have a higher cost per mile. The worst hit countries will be ones with large land area with smaller population size, that's a double hit worst case.

Is it Sweden you're talking about? We might just be over 10 milion heads, but the layout of the country is.. Well, it's kinda long. So, costs and gains running things across is not that perky all the time.

[leadeater]

16 minutes ago, ewook said:

Is it Sweden you're talking about? We might just be over 10 milion heads, but the layout of the country is.. Well, it's kinda long. So, costs and gains running things across is not that perky all the time.

Was thinking places like Canada, huge and spread out population.

[ewook]

5 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Was thinking places like Canada, huge and spread out population.

Yes.. Perhaps a tiny fraction bigger than Sweden ;).

 

[ewook]

Perhaps we'll see a use for your old game rig now - use that CPU/GPU for packet inspection! Pair it with a few nice nics - and you'll not just only have the fastest connection while youtubing LMG content (or floatplaining..) but also (perhaps) a watercooled, monster overkill-ish fw/router/bridge :D.

 

[LAwLz]

46 minutes ago, Bcat00 said:

That's what happens when the country is so small. The cost isn't as high so they can afford to put ti across the country.

Sweden is slightly larger than the state of California, but with about 1/4 of the population.

California also has a fairly similar spread of people, with fairly large portions having very low population density and some few having really high density.

 

So the cost of Internet infrastructure is about 300% higher in Sweden compared to California (4 times as high).

The ratio is money invested to potential money earned is much smaller in Sweden.

To put it into more clear terms, if a Swedish ISP has to invest 100K USD to reach 1000 customers, an ISP in California will reach 4000 customers with the same 100K investment.

 

My point is, the size and population conditions in Sweden are actually rather poor compared to most areas in the US. Size and population density has NOTHING to do with why Sweden has very good Internet infrastructure. The reasons are purely political (lots of government owned fiber providing a level playing-field in terms of ISP infrastructure) and mentality (companies serving their customers, rather than customers serving companies).

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

4 hours ago, Energycore said:

By downloading every single game in the Steam Store

Challenge accepted

[Belgarathian]

On 3/2/2018 at 9:52 AM, Energycore said:

By downloading every single game in the Steam Store

Yeah, but you're limited by the physical limits of your WiFi or your 1Gbps network capacity. Even if you had a 10Gbps capable router, you'd have to have 10 kids simultaneously downloading the Steam library for this to work.

 

And even then, if you managed to make use of this on one computer. Your SSD or other hardware would likely cause a bottleneck. 

[LAwLz]

4 minutes ago, Belgarathian said:

Yeah, but you're limited by the physical limits of your WiFi or your 1Gbps network capacity. Even if you had a 10Gbps capable router, you'd have to have 10 kids simultaneously downloading the Steam library for this to work.

 

And even then, if you managed to make use of this on one computer. Your SSD or other hardware would likely cause a bottleneck. 

10Gbps network cards are becoming more and more common. You can find them for ~100 dollars.

A regular SSD can quite easily reach 4Gbps write speeds, which is not close to the full 10Gbps, but more than enough to saturate a 1Gbps connection. Once you move up to NVMe drives that is not an issue either.

 

I'm not saying everyone and their grandma can utilize 10Gbps, but it's not really a hard thing to do either. The biggest problem would be finding a way to actually utilize it properly.

[jagdtigger]

11 hours ago, LAwLz said:

10Gbps network cards are becoming more and more common.

Before that happens ISP's should stop selling asymmetrical connections. Its a PITA to get anything over VPN with only ~10Mbps upload speed....

[LAwLz]

43 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

Before that happens ISP's should stop selling asymmetrical connections. Its a PITA to get anything over VPN with only ~10Mbps upload speed....

Providers in Sweden are moving towards this for their fiber networks.

I will soon get bumped up from 250/100 to 250/250 because my ISP (bredbandsbolaget, owned by Telenor) is getting rid of asymmetrical connections.

Asymmetrical connections makes sense for things like xDSL, but not fiber.

[ARikozuM]

Remind me again why Net Neutrality and government-owned networks (like Sweden’s) are bad? 

[jagdtigger]

43 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Providers in Sweden are moving towards this for their fiber networks.

I will soon get bumped up from 250/100 to 250/250 because my ISP (bredbandsbolaget, owned by Telenor) is getting rid of asymmetrical connections.

Asymmetrical connections makes sense for things like xDSL, but not fiber.

And for cable apparently, by us you mostly get 1/10 of the download speed as upload. So if you have only 2 down your up is 0,2.... (i currently have a 100/10)

Edited March 5, 2018 by jagdtigger