R7 1700 or i7 7700 non-K ?

[VWolv]

What do you guys think i should go with for Gaming and Editing ?

[AnalogCanavity]

R7 1700

[Tom Cat]

The i7

 

[cj09beira]

r7 all the way, its a more powerful cpu on a better platform (longer longevity, new cpus for it until 2019) and it can overclock

[epic_ziver_D]

If you end up choosing i7-7700 (idk if you should) then go for i7-8700 (idk if you should get r7 1700 or i7)

[Vroooom]

Gaming, the 7700 is significantly better (if you have a 144hz monitor). Editing, the 1700 is significantly better

[DocSwag]

Don't, go 8700. Contrary to popular belief many content creation apps are quite single threaded, so an r7 isn't the best choice.

16 minutes ago, Zic05 said:

R7 1700

 

9 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

r7 all the way, its a more powerful cpu on a better platform (longer longevity, new cpus for it until 2019) and it can overclock

 

6 minutes ago, Vroooom said:

Gaming, the 7700 is significantly better (if you have a 144hz monitor). Editing, the 1700 is significantly better

Not necessarily, many content creation apps and some parts of stuff like premier are quite single threaded.

[cj09beira]

1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

Don't, go 8700. Contrary to popular belief many content creation apps are quite single threaded, so an r7 isn't the best choice.

 

 

Not necessarily, many content creation apps and some parts of stuff like premier are quite single threaded.

thats not the cpu fault is it, and was there a rumor about them being working of that right now?

[VWolv]

I don't know about 8700, cause the price of CPU and MB are pretty high here in Indonesia, and there still not that many option for the MB

[DocSwag]

14 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

thats not the cpu fault is it, and was there a rumor about them being working of that right now?

No it isn't, but it doesn't matter if it's the cpu's fault or not the fact of the matter is the 8700 is a better option.

13 minutes ago, VWolv said:

I don't know about 8700, cause the price of CPU and MB are pretty high here in Indonesia, and there still not that many option for the MB

Even something like an 8400 would be a better option than the 7700

[cj09beira]

1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

No it isn't, but it doesn't matter if it's the cpu's fault or not the fact of the matter is the 8700 is a better option.

Even something like an 8400 would be a better option than the 7700

if he can find one

[Thinkfreely]

So Intel has fast IPC, but without getting a 8700 (Impossible right now) then the extra cores Ryzen provides will beat the 7700 in creation based tasks. The big caveat people forget is that coffeelake hasn't been officially released, this is a introductory release with the full release in Q1 of next year. However Ryzen 2 is supposed to drop Q1 as well, which is supposed to have anywhere from 20-30% better performance (Maybe 10% better IPC then Ryzen has right now, bringing it up to parity. So I would get Ryzen unless you can get your hands on a 8700, as you have more upgrade paths.

[cj09beira]

1 minute ago, Thinkfreely said:

So Intel has fast IPC, but without getting a 8700 (Impossible right now) then the extra cores Ryzen provides will beat the 7700 in creation based tasks. The big caveat people forget is that coffeelake hasn't been officially released, this is a introductory release with the full release in Q1 of next year. However Ryzen 2 is supposed to drop Q1 as well, which is supposed to have anywhere from 20-30% better performance (Maybe 10% better IPC then Ryzen has right now, bringing it up to parity. So I would get Ryzen unless you can get your hands on a 8700, as you have more upgrade paths.

q1's ryzen is only faster clocks no ipc improvement sorry

[VWolv]

I think i will take R7 1700 + GTX 1080 non Ti, i don't know maybe it's stupid or not ? but i will use it for a few years for my daily usage of gaming and workstation

[gbergeron]

5 minutes ago, Thinkfreely said:

So Intel has fast IPC, but without getting a 8700 (Impossible right now) then the extra cores Ryzen provides will beat the 7700 in creation based tasks. The big caveat people forget is that coffeelake hasn't been officially released, this is a introductory release with the full release in Q1 of next year. However Ryzen 2 is supposed to drop Q1 as well, which is supposed to have anywhere from 20-30% better performance (Maybe 10% better IPC then Ryzen has right now, bringing it up to parity. So I would get Ryzen unless you can get your hands on a 8700, as you have more upgrade paths.

10% bringing up to parity ??? Never.

 

They need like 30-40% ipc boost to come par with intel.

 

1800x in single core performance bench like 160 and 8700 scores like 200  so yeah they need at least 20% boost 

[gbergeron]

2 minutes ago, VWolv said:

I think i will take R7 1700 + GTX 1080 non Ti, i don't know maybe it's stupid or not ? but i will use it for a few years for my daily usage of gaming and workstation

Depends if you willing to wait to get a coffee lake, its way better, but you will probably be happy with the r7 too

[MyName13]

13 minutes ago, gbergeron said:

10% bringing up to parity ??? Never.

 

They need like 30-40% ipc boost to come par with intel.

 

1800x in single core performance bench like 160 and 8700 scores like 200  so yeah they need at least 20% boost 

Isn't Zen's IPC on haswell level?Why would it need 30-40% higher ipc then?

[DocSwag]

1 minute ago, MyName13 said:

Isn't Zen's IPC on haswell level?Why would it need 30-40% higher ipc then?

Because clock speeds are way lower. If they bring up clocks that would work too.

[gbergeron]

5 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

Isn't Zen's IPC on haswell level?Why would it need 30-40% higher ipc then?

Clock speed like DocSwag said. Also maybe I guess overall architecture etc.. not sure..

 

See : 

 

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X/3937vs3916

 

Not the best benchmark but still shows a comparison, 30% better single core performance on the 8700k

[VWolv]

R7 1700 + 1080 non Ti or i7 8700 + 1070 ?

[MyName13]

39 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Because clock speeds are way lower. If they bring up clocks that would work too.

 

35 minutes ago, gbergeron said:

Clock speed like DocSwag said. Also maybe I guess overall architecture etc.. not sure..

 

See : 

 

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X/3937vs3916

 

Not the best benchmark but still shows a comparison, 30% better single core performance on the 8700k

But we know that low clocks are because of crappy manufacturing process and it will certainly be improved with Zen 2.Besides, I keep seeing how Zen performs around 30% worse in some workloads and especially in gaming (clock for clock) when compared to sky/kaby/coffee lake so I wonder why some consider it's on haswell level in terms of performance.

[gbergeron]

3 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

 

But we know that low clocks are because of crappy manufacturing process and it will certainly be improved with Zen 2.Besides, I keep seeing how Zen performs around 30% worse in some workloads and especially in gaming (clock for clock) when compared to sky/kaby/coffee lake so I wonder why some consider it's on haswell level in terms of performance.

its just a good comparison i guess ?

 

I don't expect zen2 to perform better than intel, this is just same and same story with AMD..

 

But that would be awesome

[MyName13]

7 minutes ago, gbergeron said:

its just a good comparison i guess ?

 

I don't expect zen2 to perform better than intel, this is just same and same story with AMD..

 

But that would be awesome

I expect them to offer the same product, at that point one has to ask himself why buy AMD's CPU if Intel's perform the same (or better because they have no IF problems) and vice versa.

[Princess Luna]

13 minutes ago, VWolv said:

R7 1700 + 1080 non Ti or i7 8700 + 1070 ?

Even though I only build Intel systems for myself, if you can not go i7 + 1080 then you should stick to R7 1700 + GTX 1080, HOWEVER pay attention to get at least 3000mhz ram and a decent motherboard like don't go pair a R7 with some shitty cheap MSi b350 or you'll cripple your performance.

[VWolv]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

Even though I only build Intel systems for myself, if you can not go i7 + 1080 then you should stick to R7 1700 + GTX 1080, HOWEVER pay attention to get at least 3000mhz ram and a decent motherboard like don't go pair a R7 with some shitty cheap MSi b350 or you'll cripple your performance.

yes i well aware of that, so maybe i will go with Flare X PC25600 and ASRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 ?