Trump's Early Statements Indicate He'll Be a Tech Industry Ally

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5 minutes ago, revsilverspine said:

Any organization with too much power and the wrong leadership/management can bring way more harm than good.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make.

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1 hour ago, revsilverspine said:

I remember seeing multiple documentaries where the FCC, being somewhat free to do as it wills, made life extremely hard for large groups of people, following its own narrow minded views.

Sounds like the entirety of the government here, not just the FCC.

 

One of Trump's promises was to clear house and actually make the government work for the people instead of the other way around. You can laugh, make snarky comments and whatever you want about people who believe that, but if someone running for President this last election is actually going to do it it was going to be him.

[You_are_a_cunt]

7 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

Sounds like the entirety of the government here, not just the FCC.

 

One of Trump's promises was to clear house and actually make the government work for the people instead of the other way around. You can laugh, make snarky comments and whatever you want about people who believe that, but if someone running for President this last election is actually going to do it it was going to be him.

I still like Bernie.

[Guest Kloaked]

1 minute ago, revsilverspine said:

I still like Bernie.

Bernie would have caused me to lose my job and the place where I work go out of business within a year.

[You_are_a_cunt]

4 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

Bernie would have caused me to lose my job and the place where I work go out of business within a year.

I liked him, not necessarily his policy

[Guest Kloaked]

3 minutes ago, revsilverspine said:

I liked him, not necessarily his policy

He's not a good person. People want to talk so bad about Trump, but Bernie is literally somebody who would bring America to pure communism and fascism. I'd rather have another four year of Obama, or even Clinton over him. 

[christianled59]

10 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

He's not a good person. People want to talk so bad about Trump, but Bernie is literally somebody who would bring America to pure communism and fascism. I'd rather have another four year of Obama, or even Clinton over him. 

100% agree. People don't even look at policy anymore. They see him as a sweet old man.

[ivan134]

42 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

He's not a good person. People want to talk so bad about Trump, but Bernie is literally somebody who would bring America to pure communism and fascism. I'd rather have another four year of Obama, or even Clinton over him. 

Yea, man. Just look how it's working out for Norway, Denmark, Finland, Switzerland, Sweden, Netherlands, etc. Those places have completely succumbed to communism and fascism. TIL communism and fascism can coexist in the same place even though fascists are vehemently opposed to communism.

[ivan134]

2 hours ago, Syntaxvgm said:

Look, not gonna lie, there are some things I look forward to him doing. I certainly hope to get better gun laws under him, maybe a hearing protection act or repealing the stupid NFA laws. But nearly everything he's said on the tech front and the cabinet choices he's made as well as the agenda the senate republicans have tried to push in the past has me more than worried that the crazy last 4 or 5 years we've had in terms of the governments relation to the tech industry will be even worse the next 4. And I really don't think this is enough evidence to call him a 'tech ally. '

 

Every indication is that his tech policy will be purely about national security, which usually comes with things like more surveillance and stuff like forced backdoors and the government placing gag orders on its targets so they can't even speak out against what they are forcing them to do.

 

I'm terrified that what has been happening in terms of the government's relation to the free internet as well as rampant abuse of loosely interpreted intellectual property laws by groups like the MPAA and the entertainment industry in general will not only continue down this path which would be horrifying enough of a concept to me, but do so at a much accelerated pace. 

Can you elaborate on the "better gun laws?"

[Anassagora69]

6 hours ago, Sauron said:

The Bush years taught us that electing entrepreneurs is a very bad idea. Not just Bush, there's a guy in Italian politics you should meet:

A good president in my personal opinion, went downhill in the last year or two and fucked up some shit tho, definetly could have gone better, but he wasn't the worse president at all, just normal, many people cirtizise trump berlusconi etc because they were business men and do not have political experiences, i personally believe that trump was needed, i do not agree with everything he says although there needs to be some change, less crazyness, and it's just his first day, we shall wait and see what he does, give everyone a chance, you never know what might happen, it could be hitler or the next reagan you never know, let's just hope for the best, it doesn't matter if you are from the left or the right, it is every american's land, economy, and president, and we shall support him as we would have supported bernie, hillary, rubio or anyone who was elected, not because we personally liked him, but because we love our country and want it to succeed, no matter it's commander and chief.

[Syntaxvgm]

20 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Can you elaborate on the "better gun laws?"

this only scratches the surface. Legally I can make an AR15 without a stock and a barrel shorter than 16 inches, call it a pistol, and carry it. Yep. And dont' get me started on blades and sig braces. 

also if I bought a suppressor legally, I'd have to wait months after paying a huge fee, for each one. I haven't bothered but it would be really nice to not fuck up my hearing. It's also a noise pollution thing shooting on your property. 

 

I would also like better background checks based on the no fly list BUT make the no fly list something you can.,..you know...know about and have due process. Solve 2 problems right there. 

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20 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Yea, man. Just look how it's working out for Norway, Denmark, Finland, Switzerland, Sweden, Netherlands, etc. Those places have completely succumbed to communism and fascism. TIL communism and fascism can coexist in the same place even though fascists are vehemently opposed to communism.

Yeah I'm not really sure how people still think communism and fascism are even remotely related. I blame the Nazis for putting socialist in their name.

[ivan134]

3 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

Yeah I'm not really sure how people still think communism and fascism are even remotely related. I blame the Nazis for putting socialist in their name.

For some people, words speak louder than actions apparently.

[ivan134]

6 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

this only scratches the surface. Legally I can make an AR15 without a stock and a barrel shorter than 16 inches, call it a pistol, and carry it. Yep. And dont' get me started on blades and sig braces. 

also if I bought a suppressor legally, I'd have to wait months after paying a huge fee, for each one. I haven't bothered but it would be really nice to not fuck up my hearing. It's also a noise pollution thing shooting on your property. 

 

I would also like better background checks based on the no fly list BUT make the no fly list something you can.,..you know...know about and have due process. Solve 2 problems right there. 

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but wouldn't gun owners like that you can get around the law on such a stupid technicality? I'm not talking about the fees, but being able to find a legal way to carry around an AR15. I don't know much about guns, but why wasn't this done under any previous Republican presidents?

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18 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Yea, man. Just look how it's working out for Norway, Denmark, Finland, Switzerland, Sweden, Netherlands, etc. Those places have completely succumbed to communism and fascism. TIL communism and fascism can coexist in the same place even though fascists are vehemently opposed to communism.

I'm no political science major but yes they can coexist in a single ideology.

[Syntaxvgm]

6 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but wouldn't gun owners like that you can get around the law on such a stupid technicality? I'm not talking about the fees, but being able to find a legal way to carry around an AR15. I don't know much about guns, but why wasn't this done under any previous Republican presidents?

well the fact it's classified as a pistol is stupid. Open carrying a rifle is dumb and is asking to be arrested even if you'll get off legally, but it's legal. That's separate. The arbitrary laws do nothing but harm legal gun owners, nothing stops me from assembling a short barrel rifle or shouldering a sig brace and murdering people. 

Classifying guns almost never works, and you shouldn't try. By this classification I can conceal or open carry an AR pistol with my carry licence, but if I didn't have a carry licence I'd have to open carry one with a 16 inch barrel. That's how the law works. My glock 17 (full size 9mm pistol, 17 shots in magazine) or my ruger lc9s (my carry pistol, compact 9mm, 7 shots in magazine  are legally no different than this 

[Sauron]

9 minutes ago, Anassagora69 said:

A good president in my personal opinion, went downhill in the last year or two and fucked up some shit tho, definetly could have gone better, but he wasn't the worse president at all, just normal, many people cirtizise trump berlusconi etc because they were business men and do not have political experiences, i personally believe that trump was needed, i do not agree with everything he says although there needs to be some change, less crazyness, and it's just his first day, we shall wait and see what he does, give everyone a chance, you never know what might happen, it could be hitler or the next reagan you never know, let's just hope for the best, it doesn't matter if you are from the left or the right, it is every american's land, economy, and president, and we shall support him as we would have supported bernie, hillary, rubio or anyone who was elected, not because we personally liked him, but because we love our country and want it to succeed, no matter it's commander and chief.

Nah, I don't care what political experience they have - I care for what they say and do. Both lied through their teeth to stack up votes from those who don't know any better, both take sides with the sole goal of keeping their chair without any regard for coherence, both are only there to protect their own interest. Berlusconi & friends are responsible for a downright horrible school reform, an incostitutional electoral law, near bankruptcy of the country and the diffusion of ignorance and hate in the population. He also personally has ties to the mafia (which has been indirectly proven but he has never been tried for it) and has evaded over 40 million € in taxes.

 

Of course he could have been worse, but let's not tell ourselves he was good or even average.

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8 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

Yeah I'm not really sure how people still think communism and fascism are even remotely related. I blame the Nazis for putting socialist in their name.

Let's focus on words that have loose definitions and different histories rather than how bad the actual person with those labels are.

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1 minute ago, Kloaked said:

Let's focus on words that have loose definitions and different histories rather than how bad the actual person with those labels are.

Why the fuck would we discuss how bad the Nazis were in a thread about Trump? I was pointing out the misconception of the two ideologies that still exists and is clearly demonstrated. Part of understanding a government is understanding the ideology it follows and/or imposes upon the people.

[ivan134]

27 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

I'm no political science major but yes they can coexist in a single ideology.

You don't need to be. A simple wikipedia search is all you need. Fascism and Communism are not related in any way and if someone actually claims to be fascists, but allows communism, then that person isn't a fascist. And if you wanna go around accusing people of being fascists, you should probably learn the tenets of fascism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

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Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.

 

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The Fascist regime created a corporatist economic system in 1925 with creation of the Palazzo Vidioni Pact, in which the Italian employers' association Confindustria and Fascist trade unions agreed to recognize each other as the sole representatives of Italy's employers and employees, excluding non-Fascist trade unions. The Fascist regime first created a Ministry of Corporations that organized the Italian economy into 22 sectoral corporations, banned workers' strikes and lock-outs, and in 1927 created the Charter of Labour, which established workers' rights and duties and created labour tribunals to arbitrate employer-employee disputes. In practice, the sectoral corporations exercised little independence and were largely controlled by the regime, and employee organizations were rarely led by employees themselves but instead by appointed Fascist party members.

Trump is filling his cabinet with CEOs are you want to call Bernie a fascist.

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Nationalism is the main foundation of fascism. The fascist view of a nation is of a single organic entity that binds people together by their ancestry, and is a natural unifying force of people. Fascism seeks to solve economic, political, and social problems by achieving a millenarian national rebirth, exalting the nation or race above all else, and promoting cults of unity, strength, and purity. European fascist movements typically espouse a racist conception of non-Europeans being inferior to Europeans. Beyond this, fascists in Europe have not held a unified set of racial views.

Yea, this is definitely not the alt right.

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7 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

Why the fuck would we discuss how bad the Nazis were in a thread about Trump? I was pointing out the misconception of the two ideologies that still exists and is clearly demonstrated. Part of understanding a government is understanding the ideology it follows and/or imposes upon the people.

My post was about Bernie and how bad he would be should he get his way if he got in office, and someone responded to me saying communism and facism cannot exist in one ideology. 

[ivan134]

15 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

Let's focus on words that have loose definitions and different histories rather than how bad the actual person with those labels are.

There are no loose definitions just because you said so. Why don't you enumerate for us the reasons Bernie is a bad person. I noticed you ignored the countries I mentioned that have systems that Bernie is proposing we model the U.S. after and went straight to mental gymnastics.

[ivan134]

21 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

well the fact it's classified as a pistol is stupid. Open carrying a rifle is dumb and is asking to be arrested even if you'll get off legally, but it's legal. That's separate. The arbitrary laws do nothing but harm legal gun owners, nothing stops me from assembling a short barrel rifle or shouldering a sig brace and murdering people. 

Classifying guns almost never works, and you shouldn't try. By this classification I can conceal or open carry an AR pistol with my carry licence, but if I didn't have a carry licence I'd have to open carry one with a 16 inch barrel. That's how the law works. My glock 17 (full size 9mm pistol, 17 shots in magazine) or my ruger lc9s (my carry pistol, compact 9mm, 7 shots in magazine  are legally no different than this 

So what kind of laws would you like to see put in place to help cull mass shootings? On another note, I also don't remember Trump saying anything about gun laws he would like to enact.

[ivan134]

7 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

My post was about Bernie and how bad he would be should he get his way if he got in office, and someone responded to me saying communism and facism cannot exist in one ideology. 

Also, what industry is it that you work in that would disappear with Bernie?

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2 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

There are no loose definitions just because you said so. Why don't you enumerate for us the reasons Bernie is a bad person. I noticed you ignored the countries I mentioned that have systems that Bernie is proposing we model the U.S. after and went straight to mental gymnastics.

I "ignored" those countries because I don't live there and I don't have a right to say anything about them, especially in that sense - I don't know the first thing about living there.

4 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

You don't need to be. A simple wikipedia search is all you need. Fascism and Communism are not related in any way and if someone actually claims to be fascists, but allows communism, then that person isn't a fascist. And if you wanna go around accusing people of being fascists, you should probably learn the tenets of fascism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

 

Trump is filling his cabinet with CEOs are you want to call Bernie a fascist.

 

One Wikipedia article isn't going to tell me everything about an ideology. If I truly have my words mixed up then I apologize to anyone who I apparently offended since I seem to have committed a sinful act of getting two extreme ideologies mixed up.

 

I have read through and studied articles about Marxism, Liberalism, and so on in college, though it was not my peak interest so I didn't retain every piece of wording in what I read.

 

My whole point was Bernie would be worse than having Clinton in my opinion.

 

3 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Also, what industry is it that you work in that would disappear with Bernie?

I work at a small business. I did not say the entire industry would disappear, I said the business would go under. Bernie would like to tax the hell out of businesses that bring in a certain amount of revenue and we'd be right in his crosshairs just like a lot of other businesses. Because of that, I and many others who work there would not be able to keep their jobs and the place would likely go out of business within a year. It may be an extreme example; it could take longer or they may not go under at all. Just from what I understand about Bernie, it could happen, so my preference lies in Trump or any Republican who opposes raising taxes on businesses and the "evil 1-2%'ers" that make the market go round.