How to take advantage of 144 Hz?

[Iron Knickers]

Okay, so to take advantage of 144Hz monitors, does this mean that your graphics card needs to be able to push 144fps or more?

 

IS there stuttering if you have v-sync off in games and run BELOW your monitors refresh rate? For example, if you have a 144hz monitor and are pushing out 90 fps than will there be stuttering? (No v-sync or freesync assumed)

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, Iron Knickers said:

Okay, so to take advantage of 144Hz monitors, does this mean that your graphics card needs to be able to push 144fps or more? YES

 

IS there stuttering if you have v-sync off in games and run BELOW your monitors refresh rate? YES

If you're playing at 1080, you should be okay to play 144hz but that's assuming you have the higher-tier cards.

[Iron Knickers]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

If you're playing at 1080, you should be okay to play 144hz but that's assuming you have the higher-tier cards.

Ohh so something like a R9 390 wouldn't be powerful enough to run something like GTA V with max settings at 144hz without stuttering? 

 

Are a lot of people content with under 144 fps on a 144hz monitor just because its higher than 60 fps?

[ARikozuM]

4 minutes ago, Iron Knickers said:

Ohh so something like a R9 390 wouldn't be powerful enough to run something like GTA V with max settings at 144hz without stuttering? 

 

Are a lot of people content with under 144 fps on a 144hz monitor just because its higher than 60 fps?

That I wouldn't know much. I have limited experience with 144hz as I preferred triple 1080@60 as opposed to 1080@144.

 

Seeing some benchmarks shows that the 390 gets about 71 frames at 1080.

[rhyseyness]

21 minutes ago, Iron Knickers said:

Ohh so something like a R9 390 wouldn't be powerful enough to run something like GTA V with max settings at 144hz without stuttering? 

 

Are a lot of people content with under 144 fps on a 144hz monitor just because its higher than 60 fps?

If your frame rate is ABOVE the refresh rate of your monitor, you can suffer from tearing, and the extra frames are "wasted".

Therefore, you don't need to push 144fps+ to take advantage of a 144Hz monitor.

If you're pushing more than 60fps, then you will benefit from upgrading to a 120/144Hz monitor, as the 120/144Hz monitor will be able to display more frames than your 60Hz one.

At less than 60fps, you won't benefit from the 120Hz+ monitor, as a 60Hz monitor will be able to display just as many frames.

Hope this makes sense... Haven't actually tried to explain that before

[rhyseyness]

3 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

You still get tearing when framerate is below refresh rate.

 

Don't believe? Impose a framerate cap. 

I'm well aware of that... My point still stands.

Tearing is less likely when frame rate is below refresh rate.

Better?

[Thony]

I only get 144fps I  CSGO and LoL. 

 

No stuttering or screen tear in other games if the fps is lower (GTA5 60fps, BF4 90fps, H1Z1 90fps...)

 

I have mid tier gpu (gtx 760).

 

But take full advantage of it yes, u need a gpu that can push 144fps (gtx 1070 or 1080).

[Delicieuxz]

To get a constant 144 fps in GTA V at 1080p and with max settings you'll need a GTX 1080. My GTX 1070 can't get 144 fps unless I turn some settings down, although there are things that can be turned down without it being very noticeable in game, to achieve 144: If I turn reflection AA to 4x instead of 8x, keeping everything else maxed, I get 115 - 145 fps.

[Darkseth]

1. Your CPU needs to be able to "hold" 144 fps in average.

In best case, even MIN-fps (Min-fps are VERY important, and most ignore them). If you can hold 144 fps, but during explosions it falls down to 40 fps, it feels much worse, than when it falls down to 120 fps.

High IPC helps, high clock helps with that also. For example, a Skylake i5 will have a MUCH better time here, than any AMD FX cpu.

Also, faster Ram helps with min-fps. 

 

-------> Use lowest settings / resolution, and you will see what your CPU/Ram is capable of.

 

2. GPU needs to be able to hold the 144 fps too.

If you dont have 144 fps on max, then use the settings. They aren't just decoration. And you'd be surprised how many "gamers" don't know how to use the setting menu.

 

Without vsync: I personally play everything with VSync. i activate it in the driver, and then i'm done with it. Without VSync i have "Tearing", which is fucking disgusting. Even below my 60 fps (just have a 60 Hz monitor) i have tearing, as long VSync is off.

So i turn it on.

No disadvantages for me tho. I experience zero input lag, and i also don't have "half framerate" when below 60. many say, with VSync and when it's below 60 fps, it imediately drops to 30. Not for me. fps just decreases with performance. but never "halfes".

[Jon Jon]

Outside of highly competitive twitch games (Cs:go and overwatch), is there even an advantage to that high of a frame rate and refresh rate?

 

Can the human eye even notice it?

 

I have 20:15 vision, so if I could benefit, then I would gladly save and get a 144hz monitor and high end card.

[DarkSmith2]

7 minutes ago, Jon Jon said:

Can the human eye even notice it?

The human eye doesnt see in FPS. The human eye see's light. It has been proven that there is no "limitation".

They tested Airforce pilots in 2001 that could indentify aircrafts seeing them only for 1/220th of a second. 

All that "the human eye can only see a certain fps" is misbelief and bad education.

[demonaii]

60 fps is enough to play smoothly on any game.

[Jon Jon]

1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

The human eye doesnt see in FPS. The human eye see's light. It has been proven that there is no "limitation".

They tested Airforce pilots in 2001 that could indentify aircrafts seeing them only for 1/220th of a second. 

All that "the human eye can only see a certain fps" is misbelief and bad education.

Interesting.

 

I guess when my monitor finally burns out, I'll go the 144hz route.

[ARikozuM]

2 hours ago, Jon Jon said:

Outside of highly competitive twitch games (Cs:go and overwatch), is there even an advantage to that high of a frame rate and refresh rate?

 

Can the human eye even notice it?

 

I have 20:15 vision, so if I could benefit, then I would gladly save and get a 144hz monitor and high end card.

There's no limit for the human eye, but there is a limit with technology. Personally whenever I decide to upgrade my triple 1080@60hz setup, I'll go with triple 1440@60 or 2160@60 since the issue with higher framerate is more work is required.

 

Example:

1920 x 1080 = 2073600

2073600 x 60 = 124416000

 

1920 x 1080 = 2073600

2073600 x 144 = 298598400

 

Your GPU has to be able to push 300 million pixels per second at 144 hz.

It's not easy to do, but if you stay at certain frame numbers you should be okay and luckily G-Sync and Freesync are good if you want high framerate without tearing or stuttering.

[BrightCandle]

Can you tell the difference? Yes you can. There are a number of tests (blind or otherwise randomised) showing 144hz players in games like battlefield 4 able to tell the difference between 60, 120 and 144 reliably. It is definitely noticeable.

 

144hz has the advantage of also dropping latency so even in the case where fps is below the frequency of the monitor you are still getting an advantage. Obviously you want as high an fps as possible and there still benefits going up past 144fps on a 144hz monitor but the closer you get to the value the better. Personally I am happy around 90 and with gsync as well my acceptable low is 45 instead of before being 60.

[RuLeZ]

3 hours ago, Delicieuxz said:

To get a constant 144 fps in GTA V at 1080p and with max settings you'll need a GTX 1080. My GTX 1070 can't get 144 fps unless I turn some settings down, although there are things that can be turned down without it being very noticeable in game, to achieve 144: If I turn reflection AA to 4x instead of 8x, keeping everything else maxed, I get 115 - 145 fps.

Personally I dont know a CPU that can hold 144fps constant at GTA V.

 

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, RuLeZ said:

Personally I dont know a CPU that can hold 144fps constant at GTA V.

 

My Steam Server:

Xeon 1650 V3

64GB ECC

Titan Black x 4

 

Never drops below 144hz.

The CPU doesn't usually hold the GPU back in GTA V unless you're in the shopping centers of Los Santos. It's more the fact that your computer can't communicate quickly enough to make the difference back.