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Well guys I've been doing my own research & analysis of the performance of AMD & Intel CPUs for sometime, I did not do tests personally however I tried to salvage as much knowledge as possible to try and answer a question that has been on my mind, which is how far ahead is intel ? and that question lead to me to some very interesting realizations.

The discussion will be highly technical and might seem boring to some, but I wanted to gauge the interest of the community before I go on about writing what I had found out, because it's going to be quite long & do not wish to spend my time on something the community is not interested in.

So is anyone interested ?

Sure, I would love to read about this,


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It's not that intel is ahead it's that amd has gone a different route to where amd cpu's can't be compared easily to intel cpu. Like the reason why amd cpu's haven't done well in games is usually they are games that are single core and thread games that have a heavy focus on fpu while new games that support the amd architecture like crysis 3 are based on more cores, more threads and alu. @Kuzma has a thread about the comparison of amd and intel cpus.

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Indeed he does & it's very good, but he tried to simplify his thread as much as possible so that most people can understand it, however this thread will be quite technical.

well he didn't want to confuse people, but as a start to this thread it's good place to start.

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It's not that intel is ahead it's that amd has gone a different route to where amd cpu's can't be compared easily to intel cpu. Like the reason why amd cpu's haven't done well in games is usually they are games that are single core and thread games that have a heavy focus on fpu while new games that support the amd architecture like crysis 3 are based on more cores, more threads and alu. @Kuzma has a thread about the comparison of amd and intel cpus.

Indeed he does & it's very good, but he tried to simplify his thread as much as possible so that most people can understand it, however this thread will be quite technical.

Well :p I could always edit the main post into containing a more technical section but to be honest :/ I could probably right a blog article 3 pages long on this and a forum really isn't the right place to put something like this.


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Well :P I could always edit the main post into containing a more technical section but to be honest :/ I could probably right a blog article 3 pages long on this and a forum really isn't the right place to put something like this.

tbh I don't see why not it will turn some people off, but some people will read it and like it.

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tbh I don't see why not it will turn some people off, but some people will read it and like it.

xD it will probably be double the length of the rest of the thread combined but I could always do it.


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Well guys I've been doing my own research & analysis of the performance of AMD & Intel CPUs for sometime, I did not do tests personally however I tried to salvage as much knowledge as possible to try and answer a question that has been on my mind, which is how far ahead is intel ? and that question lead to me to some very interesting realizations.

The discussion will be highly technical and might seem boring to some, but I wanted to gauge the interest of the community before I go on about writing what I had found out, because it's going to be quite long & do not wish to spend my time on something the community is not interested in.

So is anyone interested ?

I am very interested.

Please use spoilers and format the entire post however. I am weak to Walls of Text. They crit me all the time too. 8x damage sucks when you are a Lazy Type Human.


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I am very interested.

Please use spoilers and format the entire post however. I am weak to Walls of Text. They crit me all the time too. 8x damage sucks when you are a Lazy Type Human.

Well, if I was to do mine... it'd be a wall of text so I might just leave it :p

Woo, yes bring them info plz!!

More seriuosly, I would really like to see really how much is AMD behind in total IPC, also I think you may have insight on the whole FX module and not core thing, if you do, that would be even more awesome

Read my threads, there's loads of information there for you ^_^


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post it. i have so much to learn.


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AMD has not really put their plan in action yet... Their CPUs are strong in integer but weaker in floating point because they only have 1 FPU per pair of cores... but their intention is to offload that sort of calculation to a GPU which is far, far better than even the most powerful CPU at floating point operations (this is Heterogeneous System Architecture, or HSA).  And this is where APUs come in, with their advanced onboard GPU.  You can see they are pushing the FM2 platform now, since AM3+ doesn't have integrated graphics, and there are rumors of AM3+ being abandoned completely.  A future FX-level APU with an onboard GPU will blaze through FLOps, and in theory their performance should improve in huge strides, especially if you have a dedicated GPU for the graphics work, and the integrated GPU in the APU can be dedicated to accelerating the CPU's floating point calculations.

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I'd like to see what your research says, this is how science works after all.


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AMD has not really put their plan in action yet... Their CPUs are strong in integer but weaker in floating point because they only have 1 FPU per pair of cores... but their intention is to offload that sort of calculation to a GPU which is far, far better than even the most powerful CPU at floating point operations (this is Heterogeneous System Architecture, or HSA).  And this is where APUs come in, with their advanced onboard GPU.  You can see they are pushing the FM2 platform now, since AM3+ doesn't have integrated graphics, and there are rumors of AM3+ being abandoned completely.  A future FX-level APU with an onboard GPU will blaze through FLOps, and in theory their performance should improve in huge strides, especially if you have a dedicated GPU for the graphics work, and the integrated GPU in the APU can be dedicated to accelerating the CPU's floating point calculations.

Great point Glenwing ^_^ , I can forsee some kind of FX-APU hybrid with most of the actual power for gaming being not so good to allow for more of the die space for compute.


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Great point Glenwing ^_^ , I can forsee some kind of FX-APU hybrid with most of the actual power for gaming being not so good to allow for more of the die space for compute.

 

Games are pretty heavy on floating point calculations, so if AMD can hold off Intel long enough to pull this off... it should be a good show.

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Games are pretty heavy on floating point calculations, so if AMD can hold off Intel long enough to pull this off... it should be a good show.

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How much vram do you actually need? | APUs and the future of processing | Projects: SO - here

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