An angry rant about Swiftech H220.

[Prettyfinej]

Seeing this thread makes me want it more :)

After Mr. Rouchon replied I did my best to turn my thread into that.

After all the fact he did reply should make you want this product.

Mr. Rouchon is who I am referring in my post, I didn't realize you had deleted your original post, good on you.

[TechFan@ic]

Personally, I was looking for a product like this for a very long time, a prefilled water cooling kit that allows for further expantion without any of the custom loop hassles.

I also would love to see the same product with different options on the radiator e.g. (triple 120, double thickness single 120 & 140, dual 140..etc )

[4Strings]

Personally, I was looking for a product like this for a very long time, a prefilled water cooling kit that allows for further expantion without any of the custom loop hassles.

I also would love to see the same product with different options on the radiator e.g. (triple 120, double thickness single 120 & 140, dual 140..etc )

Same here! How about a 180mm or dual-180mm radiator? To go in a Silverstone Fortress FT02??? :)

[UberFefa]

Personally, I was looking for a product like this for a very long time, a prefilled water cooling kit that allows for further expantion without any of the custom loop hassles.

I also would love to see the same product with different options on the radiator e.g. (triple 120, double thickness single 120 & 140, dual 140..etc )

That makes sense, but its kind of against the point, and if they were to manufacture different models it would probably cost them more. Also, you can just buy one and add it, you could have two rads. Though I see what you mean.

[Jrjy3]

I am planning to build my computer sometime soon (once I save enough money), and I'm trying to keep the temps as low as possible while staying within a budget. Up until this point, I was planning on going with the H100i, but I think now I will go with the H220. I will, however, wait for consumer reviews and benchmarks.

Because I am planning my first build, I think doing custom watercooling is a little too much for me (even though I have the knowledge on how to do it). I was planning on going with the H100i until the warranty expired and then upgrading to a custom loop. I will now probably get the H220 and simply upgrade that when I want to!

[TechFan@ic]

Personally, I was looking for a product like this for a very long time, a prefilled water cooling kit that allows for further expantion without any of the custom loop hassles.

I also would love to see the same product with different options on the radiator e.g. (triple 120, double thickness single 120 & 140, dual 140..etc )

To add another radiator you'd have to go through buying new fittings and tubing and you'd probably run out of space , that's why I want the radiator options to be available to begin with.

[Guest]

I am planning to build my computer sometime soon (once I save enough money), and I'm trying to keep the temps as low as possible while staying within a budget. Up until this point, I was planning on going with the H100i, but I think now I will go with the H220. I will, however, wait for consumer reviews and benchmarks.

Because I am planning my first build, I think doing custom watercooling is a little too much for me (even though I have the knowledge on how to do it). I was planning on going with the H100i until the warranty expired and then upgrading to a custom loop. I will now probably get the H220 and simply upgrade that when I want to!

Join the club :P

[Art Vandelay]

Hello all, this is Gabriel Rouchon (aka Gabe), CEO and Swiftech's founder. Here are my comments/responses to this rant.

To start off he says this product will bridge the gap between all in one systems and full on loops. Ha! I would say that rather a joke. If you really want to have a water cooling system then please' date=' please, do yourself the decency of buying your own custom loop. [/quote']

This is an arguable opinion:

First off, the pleasure of building your own system remains. It is only made simpler here. Secondly, building a custom loop doesn’t guarantee that you will have a better performing system. It only guarantees that 1/ you’ll have fun doing research for weeks or months looking for individual components and 2/ you’ll be able to pick the components that please you most cosmetically. Do not tell us that building a custom loop will automatically result in a higher performing system.. there are just too many options out there. It may or may not, and that’s all you can say.

But more about that end. “This system can be used by novices and custom DIY users†If I ever see a DIY user buying an all-in-one cooler I will slit my wrists. Now seriously.

Slit your wrists? Please be my guest, really..

But seriously, let’s move on..

That’s like saying a pre-built PC can be used by custom PC builders. Eh' date=' no thanks. Then he goes ahead and says there’s a 3 year warranty. Well what he is saying is there is a 3 years warranty on your pump. Because that is really the only thing that can fail in a loop. [/quote']

False/incomplete: you forget the fans

Once you take it apart to add your own things I doubt you will ever get your warranty if anything but the pump fails.

Unfounded conjecture – so let me clarify your doubts:

The only thing we cannot guarantee if user expands the loop is leaks, because we can’t obviously control how the user will implement setup (just like any custom loop).. However, we have done everything in our power to make sure that connections (clamps) are as “idiot proof†as possible. Videos and how-to’s will be available upon product release showing exactly the proper installation/upgrades procedures.

Anything you put together wrong is YOUR FAULT.

Correct: if you put it together wrong, isn’t it your fault by definition? However, our responsibility and commitment is to ensure that you don’t by providing clear and complete installation guide and maintenance procedures as mentioned above.

“It comes with fans pre-attached†; well those 8 screws really made me happy.

Making light of this additional convenience to users is interesting. We’ll see later below that you turn this opinion around 180 Degree to suit your purpose.

Remember this also makes it cheaper to ship for them so it’s a benefit for THEM.

False: space in packaging is identical; but cost of installation is higher (human resource), so it does cost us a little more to install them.

“Plug and play?†; yeah taking apart a CPU socket does really take some considerable time. I think this guy forgot what plug and play means.

False: we’ve setup the CPU upgrade method to simplest possible. It take no more than 3 minutes to change from one socket to another.

“Introduced side channels in a rad†; You mean it cost you less to manufacture because there is less metal.

False: no cost saving here – and it’s not “introduced side channelsâ€, it’s “enlarged the spacing of side channels†so that there is no chance that novice user could puncture them by using non standard screws. We’ve seen people bolting screws thru the entire radiator…

Not your excuse that you won’t poke holes in it with screws. If you didn’t want that then you could have just added a rubber plate where the screw comes through?

False: Thanks for the technical advice, but that wouldn’t eliminate the above scenario.

“Swivel fittings†; Single rotary from what I can see' date=' not dual, hmm. [/quote']

Hmm what? Swivel rotates 360 degrees. No need for dual joints here.

Pump was good' date=' fair enough, you made it cheaper for yourself by cutting out the manufactures. More profit for you. Great! Also small savings to the end user. [/quote']

False: our profit margins for this kind of volume products are actually much tighter because of competitive pressures. So the savings to users are huge. For reference H20-220 Elite kit sells for $239 whereas the H220 sells for $139.00 – See the videos explaining how we pulled it off, but I can summarize it again: manufacturing the pump ourselves, and large economies of scale by launching production of components by the thousands instead of by the hundreds.

Yup great job with the pump' date=' I won’t deny that. However, the comparison to the competition is wrong. Those pumps were made for doing a closed loop. [/quote']

False: There is nothing wrong about comparing when we clearly explain that our pump was specifically designed for a different –and bigger purpose: driving multiple cooling devices as needed.

Compare yourself to an 18W Laing DDC-1Plus pump. Yeah' date=' didn’t think so. Now your 5W seems kind of childish to boast about. [/quote']

Incorrect: the pump is rated at 6Watts – and we are absolutely not ashamed to comparing against the Laing (our MCP35X) either. In fact, prior to releasing the kit, at equal 4500 RPM this pump was able to beat the 35X pressure wise by 0.5 mH20 (4.7 for ours vs 4.2 for the 35X). We intentionally not implemented high speed in the kit in order to blend operating noise with fans.

Hmm' date=' adding another radiator? I assume you will have to drain the system of course first, not JUST undo the fitting and add a radiator. I wonder how easy those all in one systems are to drain and clean out. Hmmmmm… [/quote']

False: No more difficult that any DIY system: open fill-port and drain the rad in a bucket. Port is big enough that you don’t have to disconnect tubes, and if you are setting up additional components in the loop, since you are doing custom, there is nothing preventing you from adding a drain line in the process, isn't that true?

Yeah now to the worst thing in the whole cooler. The fill port. If you look at its position you will notice it is facing up now. Consider this. You have the cooler mounted in your case. Fans facing down because that is their stock position. Now look where your fill port is. WELL' date=' unless I’m very mistaken its pointing directly down. [/quote']

You are indeed very mistaken: The fans are meant to be attached to the top of the case, and the fill-port will be facing up. Not that it would change anything anyhow because the fill-port is sealed with an o-ring so it wouldn’t leak even if it was upside down.

Well oh oh. This won’t end well. Now you see what I mean. Now lets imagine for arguments sake that the radiator is pointing the other way. Well you seem to have a huge chunk of metal called your case in the way of your fill port now. Gold star on your design swiftech! Well from my previous point bleeding the air bubbles out of the system will be joy won’t it!

Self-contradicting: It is interesting that you dismissed installing 8 screws to attach the radiator as trivial above (“well those 8 screws really made me happyâ€), and you are now criticizing to having to unscrew them to access the fill-port..what was so easy before is now becoming so difficult.. looks like a contradiction to me, no? anyways, if you use this for CPU cooling only, there is no maintenance refill for 3 years, and if you do go custom, then you are by definition an enthusiast, and a little case modding shouldn’t scare you: simple tools (a dremel or a 1†hole saw) will allow you to cut a small hole directly above the fill-port for convenient repeated access (based on the premise that enthusiasts are frequently revising their configuration to add stuff).

Firstly all the other manufactures are going “F**k you Swiftech for making our product look worse than yours

Unfounded conjecture (?):

How do you know that for a fact? Any statements so far? Any examples you care to give? Or you are just imagining? Maybe you heard it directly from the horse’s mouth? If so, how? Let me ask you straight: are you representing one of these manufacturers? or are you associated with one of them? It is so easy to publish a rant like this under the protection of anonymity.. If you do represent one of our competitors, then have the courage to say it.

I have never seen more offensive advertising in my life. It’s like Coca Cola comparing itself to Pepsi in an advert. Disgraceful.

Disgraceful heh?

How about this for disgraceful: I remember (for being there) about 3 or 4 CES ago that Cool-It (who manufactures the corsair Kit) demoed their system comparing it to a first release Apogee water-block that was at least 3 generations behind. Talk about unequal comparison.. They just wanted to prove that their AIO was better than custom kits.. so they had to pick the most antiquated of our waterblocks. In contrast, we picked the latest models from the competition available at retail. Anyways, about comparative advertising in general, you must be equally offended by auto makers comparing each other’s models on a daily basis on TV right ? Let me add in contrast to your statement that every single member of the media that came to our booth clearly stated that it was the best demo they had seen BECAUSE it placed our kit in context with some of the competition. We used the latest kits available and we never said anything derogatory. We just SHOWED the temps, using equally equipped PC’s with equal settings, and had the public LISTEN to each one. If any of the members of the media had any doubts or concerns, don’t you think they would have voiced them right there and then?

Now the overclock is a joke. They did not tweek the voltage.

From whose point of view? This was NOT an overclocking contest. It was meant to show the OC at the click of a button like most novice users will do. It also guaranteed that the lowest possible voltage would be used to reduce the heat output on each CPU so as to minimize the thermal differences due to CPU quality. This was certainly not meant -nor presented as a lab experiment, it was presented to give users an idea of the respective ranking of the cooling systems. See more comments about this below.

Also' date=' saying they are on equal ground is an outright lie. [/quote']

I strongly object to your comment here: if you are accusing us of lying this is libel on your part, and I invite you to be very careful. At no point in any of the presentations did I represent that the CPU’s generated the same amount of heat. What I said was that the systems were identical, with identical setup and overclock, and that they were all at full load (100% CPU load). What I also said in the Techoftommorow presentation was, I quote: “we want to be able to read the temperatures and be able to see approximately what temperature differences are†.

You have all heard about the silicon lottery. Some chips get hotter overclocked' date=' some don’t. [/quote']

I presume you mean some chips get hotter than others.. In that sense, then the comment is technically correct, but see my own comments above – For the record, we also tested the various competitors using same CPU’s, and the ranking remained completely consistent with the CES presentation.

You put the other fans at MINIMUM and you put your fans at half speed. Well that’s a fair test.

False: we put all the fans at 1400 RPM, which also happens to be the minimum fan speed of both Corsair and Thermaltake.

Also did you happen to add more rads to those GTX680s well yeah of course you did.

False. The system using the GTX680’s only used the H220 radiator.

.. I have perhaps the worst bone to pick with Swiftech.. the loudness should have been measured by a decibel meter.

Not feasible: This was a trade show.. not a lab experiment. I can’t help it if people from the media didn’t have a db meter. Plus there was so much ambient noise that it would have been impossible to measure anything scientifically. See for example the difference in ambient noise between Linus video (using a directional mike) and Techoftomorrow video which also picked up all the room noises making it difficult to hear the systems themselves..

http://i.imgur.com/FSLOH.jpg[/img] Why the hell is there someone’s hand there? And' date=' why did the fans suddenly ramp up all of a sudden. [/quote']

What's with the suspicion seing someone hand?

We started the demo with system running at 1400 rpm, then increased the fan speed using the manufacturer software to full speed. Someone had to do it while I was talking, right? That was the very purpose of the demo: listening to full speed.

If you really want to go into custom watercooling buy a custom kit to start out with.

Why? because you say so? let the readers decide what’s best for them!

I feel so angry at swiftech for these vids and just wanted to set a few things straight for all the people saying how great it is.

You didn’t set anything straight: You voiced your personal opinions, more often than not using false or incorrect assumptions, and failed to present anything factually correct. Just a bunch of insinuations and conjectures.

I don't understand why temps were taken at lowered speeds and noise ratings were taken at highest speeds. I would like to personally see the temps when fans were at highest speeds. To see how comparable they really are.

To take temps at max speed would require that the systems ramp up in temp for 20 to 30 minutes. There was no time for that. And comparing temps at higher speeds to see how comparable they are? Comparing temps without comparing noise levels is utter nonsense. Running the Corsair unit at 2700 rpms is simply unbearable (as a matter of personal opinion).

I'm saying this will be a horrible failure when people want to add a gpu or something to their loop.

And how can you say that? We DEMONSTRATED that it works with 2 GTX680’s and with 2 Radeon’s 7900..

I thought you were running the fans on the other coolers at max when you did the sound test; the fans appeared to increase in noise when the microphone was put up against them.

[Art Vandelay]

This seems like the only thing that would make me actually want to go with an AIO over a tower cooler. That said, I'm just going to go for a closed loop; the filling system in this looks like a lot of work and a custom loop is just nicer looking.

[Jrjy3]

I am planning to build my computer sometime soon (once I save enough money), and I'm trying to keep the temps as low as possible while staying within a budget. Up until this point, I was planning on going with the H100i, but I think now I will go with the H220. I will, however, wait for consumer reviews and benchmarks.

Because I am planning my first build, I think doing custom watercooling is a little too much for me (even though I have the knowledge on how to do it). I was planning on going with the H100i until the warranty expired and then upgrading to a custom loop. I will now probably get the H220 and simply upgrade that when I want to!

Join the club :P

The club of what?

[grouchon]

The only thing I was puzzling about was the demonstration of the Rig with dual 7970 at the end. It seemed like the hole system was running under full load' date=' as one would expect for a "this is as extreme as it gets" temperature test. But one can clearly see that only the heaven benchmark is running and the CPU is only stressed partially due to the benchmark. I guess a lot of viewers might have thought that also a prime95 torture test would have been at work. From that point of view the temps would have seem very impressive. One the other hand, in the techtomorrow video Gabriel explicitly says that prime95 is NOT at work. My guess is Gabriel truly (!!) forgot to mention it...[/quote']

I forgot about this... Here are temps running BOTH Unigine AND 6 instances of CPU burn :-)

[TechFan@ic]

This seems like the only thing that would make me actually want to go with an AIO over a tower cooler. That said, I'm just going to go for a closed loop; the filling system in this looks like a lot of work and a custom loop is just nicer looking.

It comes prefilled.

[TechFan@ic]

I've just noticed something that can be problematic in the design of the H220, when the unit is properly fitted/installed (fans towards the roof of the case and the radiator beneath them), the fans are oriented to push air down and through the radiators rather than exhaust the air, which will dump all the hot air inside the case, which can be a problem .

[Guest]

I've just noticed something that can be problematic in the design of the H220, when the unit is properly fitted/installed (fans towards the roof of the case and the radiator beneath them), the fans are oriented to push air down and through the radiators rather than exhaust the air, which will dump all the hot air inside the case, which can be a problem .

You can most likely switch up the fan configuration one would hope.

[TechFan@ic]

I've just noticed something that can be problematic in the design of the H220, when the unit is properly fitted/installed (fans towards the roof of the case and the radiator beneath them), the fans are oriented to push air down and through the radiators rather than exhaust the air, which will dump all the hot air inside the case, which can be a problem .

You'll have to have the fill port facing down if you do that, which is really scary even if Gabe himself says is safe, unless you buy some fittings + tubing to do some sort of drain line. (Which I personally can't afford right now ).

What I'd personally do though is probably unscrew the fans and reorient them to exhaust rather than intake .

[vanwazltoff]

Hello all, this is Gabriel Rouchon (aka Gabe), CEO and Swiftech's founder. Here are my comments/responses to this rant.

To start off he says this product will bridge the gap between all in one systems and full on loops. Ha! I would say that rather a joke. If you really want to have a water cooling system then please' date=' please, do yourself the decency of buying your own custom loop. [/quote']

This is an arguable opinion:

First off, the pleasure of building your own system remains. It is only made simpler here. Secondly, building a custom loop doesn’t guarantee that you will have a better performing system. It only guarantees that 1/ you’ll have fun doing research for weeks or months looking for individual components and 2/ you’ll be able to pick the components that please you most cosmetically. Do not tell us that building a custom loop will automatically result in a higher performing system.. there are just too many options out there. It may or may not, and that’s all you can say.

But more about that end. “This system can be used by novices and custom DIY users†If I ever see a DIY user buying an all-in-one cooler I will slit my wrists. Now seriously.

Slit your wrists? Please be my guest, really..

But seriously, let’s move on..

That’s like saying a pre-built PC can be used by custom PC builders. Eh' date=' no thanks. Then he goes ahead and says there’s a 3 year warranty. Well what he is saying is there is a 3 years warranty on your pump. Because that is really the only thing that can fail in a loop. [/quote']

False/incomplete: you forget the fans

Once you take it apart to add your own things I doubt you will ever get your warranty if anything but the pump fails.

Unfounded conjecture – so let me clarify your doubts:

The only thing we cannot guarantee if user expands the loop is leaks, because we can’t obviously control how the user will implement setup (just like any custom loop).. However, we have done everything in our power to make sure that connections (clamps) are as “idiot proof†as possible. Videos and how-to’s will be available upon product release showing exactly the proper installation/upgrades procedures.

Anything you put together wrong is YOUR FAULT.

Correct: if you put it together wrong, isn’t it your fault by definition? However, our responsibility and commitment is to ensure that you don’t by providing clear and complete installation guide and maintenance procedures as mentioned above.

“It comes with fans pre-attached†; well those 8 screws really made me happy.

Making light of this additional convenience to users is interesting. We’ll see later below that you turn this opinion around 180 Degree to suit your purpose.

Remember this also makes it cheaper to ship for them so it’s a benefit for THEM.

False: space in packaging is identical; but cost of installation is higher (human resource), so it does cost us a little more to install them.

“Plug and play?†; yeah taking apart a CPU socket does really take some considerable time. I think this guy forgot what plug and play means.

False: we’ve setup the CPU upgrade method to simplest possible. It take no more than 3 minutes to change from one socket to another.

“Introduced side channels in a rad†; You mean it cost you less to manufacture because there is less metal.

False: no cost saving here – and it’s not “introduced side channelsâ€, it’s “enlarged the spacing of side channels†so that there is no chance that novice user could puncture them by using non standard screws. We’ve seen people bolting screws thru the entire radiator…

Not your excuse that you won’t poke holes in it with screws. If you didn’t want that then you could have just added a rubber plate where the screw comes through?

False: Thanks for the technical advice, but that wouldn’t eliminate the above scenario.

“Swivel fittings†; Single rotary from what I can see' date=' not dual, hmm. [/quote']

Hmm what? Swivel rotates 360 degrees. No need for dual joints here.

Pump was good' date=' fair enough, you made it cheaper for yourself by cutting out the manufactures. More profit for you. Great! Also small savings to the end user. [/quote']

False: our profit margins for this kind of volume products are actually much tighter because of competitive pressures. So the savings to users are huge. For reference H20-220 Elite kit sells for $239 whereas the H220 sells for $139.00 – See the videos explaining how we pulled it off, but I can summarize it again: manufacturing the pump ourselves, and large economies of scale by launching production of components by the thousands instead of by the hundreds.

Yup great job with the pump' date=' I won’t deny that. However, the comparison to the competition is wrong. Those pumps were made for doing a closed loop. [/quote']

False: There is nothing wrong about comparing when we clearly explain that our pump was specifically designed for a different –and bigger purpose: driving multiple cooling devices as needed.

Compare yourself to an 18W Laing DDC-1Plus pump. Yeah' date=' didn’t think so. Now your 5W seems kind of childish to boast about. [/quote']

Incorrect: the pump is rated at 6Watts – and we are absolutely not ashamed to comparing against the Laing (our MCP35X) either. In fact, prior to releasing the kit, at equal 4500 RPM this pump was able to beat the 35X pressure wise by 0.5 mH20 (4.7 for ours vs 4.2 for the 35X). We intentionally not implemented high speed in the kit in order to blend operating noise with fans.

Hmm' date=' adding another radiator? I assume you will have to drain the system of course first, not JUST undo the fitting and add a radiator. I wonder how easy those all in one systems are to drain and clean out. Hmmmmm… [/quote']

False: No more difficult that any DIY system: open fill-port and drain the rad in a bucket. Port is big enough that you don’t have to disconnect tubes, and if you are setting up additional components in the loop, since you are doing custom, there is nothing preventing you from adding a drain line in the process, isn't that true?

Yeah now to the worst thing in the whole cooler. The fill port. If you look at its position you will notice it is facing up now. Consider this. You have the cooler mounted in your case. Fans facing down because that is their stock position. Now look where your fill port is. WELL' date=' unless I’m very mistaken its pointing directly down. [/quote']

You are indeed very mistaken: The fans are meant to be attached to the top of the case, and the fill-port will be facing up. Not that it would change anything anyhow because the fill-port is sealed with an o-ring so it wouldn’t leak even if it was upside down.

Well oh oh. This won’t end well. Now you see what I mean. Now lets imagine for arguments sake that the radiator is pointing the other way. Well you seem to have a huge chunk of metal called your case in the way of your fill port now. Gold star on your design swiftech! Well from my previous point bleeding the air bubbles out of the system will be joy won’t it!

Self-contradicting: It is interesting that you dismissed installing 8 screws to attach the radiator as trivial above (“well those 8 screws really made me happyâ€), and you are now criticizing to having to unscrew them to access the fill-port..what was so easy before is now becoming so difficult.. looks like a contradiction to me, no? anyways, if you use this for CPU cooling only, there is no maintenance refill for 3 years, and if you do go custom, then you are by definition an enthusiast, and a little case modding shouldn’t scare you: simple tools (a dremel or a 1†hole saw) will allow you to cut a small hole directly above the fill-port for convenient repeated access (based on the premise that enthusiasts are frequently revising their configuration to add stuff).

Firstly all the other manufactures are going “F**k you Swiftech for making our product look worse than yours

Unfounded conjecture (?):

How do you know that for a fact? Any statements so far? Any examples you care to give? Or you are just imagining? Maybe you heard it directly from the horse’s mouth? If so, how? Let me ask you straight: are you representing one of these manufacturers? or are you associated with one of them? It is so easy to publish a rant like this under the protection of anonymity.. If you do represent one of our competitors, then have the courage to say it.

I have never seen more offensive advertising in my life. It’s like Coca Cola comparing itself to Pepsi in an advert. Disgraceful.

Disgraceful heh?

How about this for disgraceful: I remember (for being there) about 3 or 4 CES ago that Cool-It (who manufactures the corsair Kit) demoed their system comparing it to a first release Apogee water-block that was at least 3 generations behind. Talk about unequal comparison.. They just wanted to prove that their AIO was better than custom kits.. so they had to pick the most antiquated of our waterblocks. In contrast, we picked the latest models from the competition available at retail. Anyways, about comparative advertising in general, you must be equally offended by auto makers comparing each other’s models on a daily basis on TV right ? Let me add in contrast to your statement that every single member of the media that came to our booth clearly stated that it was the best demo they had seen BECAUSE it placed our kit in context with some of the competition. We used the latest kits available and we never said anything derogatory. We just SHOWED the temps, using equally equipped PC’s with equal settings, and had the public LISTEN to each one. If any of the members of the media had any doubts or concerns, don’t you think they would have voiced them right there and then?

Now the overclock is a joke. They did not tweek the voltage.

From whose point of view? This was NOT an overclocking contest. It was meant to show the OC at the click of a button like most novice users will do. It also guaranteed that the lowest possible voltage would be used to reduce the heat output on each CPU so as to minimize the thermal differences due to CPU quality. This was certainly not meant -nor presented as a lab experiment, it was presented to give users an idea of the respective ranking of the cooling systems. See more comments about this below.

Also' date=' saying they are on equal ground is an outright lie. [/quote']

I strongly object to your comment here: if you are accusing us of lying this is libel on your part, and I invite you to be very careful. At no point in any of the presentations did I represent that the CPU’s generated the same amount of heat. What I said was that the systems were identical, with identical setup and overclock, and that they were all at full load (100% CPU load). What I also said in the Techoftommorow presentation was, I quote: “we want to be able to read the temperatures and be able to see approximately what temperature differences are†.

You have all heard about the silicon lottery. Some chips get hotter overclocked' date=' some don’t. [/quote']

I presume you mean some chips get hotter than others.. In that sense, then the comment is technically correct, but see my own comments above – For the record, we also tested the various competitors using same CPU’s, and the ranking remained completely consistent with the CES presentation.

You put the other fans at MINIMUM and you put your fans at half speed. Well that’s a fair test.

False: we put all the fans at 1400 RPM, which also happens to be the minimum fan speed of both Corsair and Thermaltake.

Also did you happen to add more rads to those GTX680s well yeah of course you did.

False. The system using the GTX680’s only used the H220 radiator.

.. I have perhaps the worst bone to pick with Swiftech.. the loudness should have been measured by a decibel meter.

Not feasible: This was a trade show.. not a lab experiment. I can’t help it if people from the media didn’t have a db meter. Plus there was so much ambient noise that it would have been impossible to measure anything scientifically. See for example the difference in ambient noise between Linus video (using a directional mike) and Techoftomorrow video which also picked up all the room noises making it difficult to hear the systems themselves..

http://i.imgur.com/FSLOH.jpg[/img] Why the hell is there someone’s hand there? And' date=' why did the fans suddenly ramp up all of a sudden. [/quote']

What's with the suspicion seing someone hand?

We started the demo with system running at 1400 rpm, then increased the fan speed using the manufacturer software to full speed. Someone had to do it while I was talking, right? That was the very purpose of the demo: listening to full speed.

If you really want to go into custom watercooling buy a custom kit to start out with.

Why? because you say so? let the readers decide what’s best for them!

I feel so angry at swiftech for these vids and just wanted to set a few things straight for all the people saying how great it is.

You didn’t set anything straight: You voiced your personal opinions, more often than not using false or incorrect assumptions, and failed to present anything factually correct. Just a bunch of insinuations and conjectures.

I don't understand why temps were taken at lowered speeds and noise ratings were taken at highest speeds. I would like to personally see the temps when fans were at highest speeds. To see how comparable they really are.

To take temps at max speed would require that the systems ramp up in temp for 20 to 30 minutes. There was no time for that. And comparing temps at higher speeds to see how comparable they are? Comparing temps without comparing noise levels is utter nonsense. Running the Corsair unit at 2700 rpms is simply unbearable (as a matter of personal opinion).

I'm saying this will be a horrible failure when people want to add a gpu or something to their loop.

And how can you say that? We DEMONSTRATED that it works with 2 GTX680’s and with 2 Radeon’s 7900..

i honestly cant wait for this, i really dont want to go the H100i route and i was waiting for the Cooler Master Eisberg, but I think this would be a much better way to go. i was thinking about getting an XSPC kit but they are all based off of an optical bay....I dont have an optical haha. I have an AIO Antec Kuhler 620 and its just not good enough. I went ITX on my newest build and ill have to chop up my case to get one in but ill be more than happy to have a H220 in my system, take my money Gabe, or even better, give me a review unit :P you can see my review on the Fractal Node 304, i did a pretty good job, if i had a camera I could have done way better. that, by the way, is the case ill have to mod to get one in, ive done the math i can get a 240mm rad in if i take the hard drive cages out and cut a huge hole in my case, but itll be worth it and itll probably be the best mod thatll ever happen to a Node 304

[Ghost]

I've just noticed something that can be problematic in the design of the H220, when the unit is properly fitted/installed (fans towards the roof of the case and the radiator beneath them), the fans are oriented to push air down and through the radiators rather than exhaust the air, which will dump all the hot air inside the case, which can be a problem .

That's why pre-mounted fans are a bad idea. But that's just my opinion.

[Whaler_99]

I've just noticed something that can be problematic in the design of the H220, when the unit is properly fitted/installed (fans towards the roof of the case and the radiator beneath them), the fans are oriented to push air down and through the radiators rather than exhaust the air, which will dump all the hot air inside the case, which can be a problem .

Honestly, there are a lot of rads out there with multiple ports on them that if not used need to have a plug installed. As long as you have your o-ring properly installed and thread it in properly and tight, there is pretty much no chance of a leak.

[Whaler_99]

Fan Orientation - I would wait to see what actually ships and the orientation of the fans, but consider... If the fans are on top and in a push config, they will be drawing cooler air across the rad from outside the case. This would help temps. Then you would just need to have adequate rear exhaust. I will admit, not the way it is normally done, but...

[Ghost]

The only thing I was puzzling about was the demonstration of the Rig with dual 7970 at the end. It seemed like the hole system was running under full load' date=' as one would expect for a "this is as extreme as it gets" temperature test. But one can clearly see that only the heaven benchmark is running and the CPU is only stressed partially due to the benchmark. I guess a lot of viewers might have thought that also a prime95 torture test would have been at work. From that point of view the temps would have seem very impressive. One the other hand, in the techtomorrow video Gabriel explicitly says that prime95 is NOT at work. My guess is Gabriel truly (!!) forgot to mention it...[/quote']

I forgot about this... Here are temps running BOTH Unigine AND 6 instances of CPU burn :-)

Very impressive temps for 7970s at full load. Even comparing to custom water-cooling solutions.

[Ghost]

Fan Orientation - I would wait to see what actually ships and the orientation of the fans, but consider... If the fans are on top and in a push config, they will be drawing cooler air across the rad from outside the case. This would help temps. Then you would just need to have adequate rear exhaust. I will admit, not the way it is normally done, but...

Enjoy blowing hot air over your VRM, CPU socket and Pump. You have to remember that adequate airflow is still very important. I am still quite confused by the fan orientation and and quite sure the fans are made to be hanging under he rad pulling the air in.

Although that's an assumption.

[Art Vandelay]

You're not actually blowing hot air over your VRM; the air that comes out of these CLCs is like 10 degrees above ambient.

[Andrew]

I haven't posted on anything in the forum yet, but i had to say something about this. Seeing a CEO take his time to respond to something that he was in no way obligated or expected to respond to was just amazing. I wanted a H220 after seeing Linus' video, but seeing how much the leader of the company cares about his products and his customers makes me very seriously consider putting my Corsair H100i to the side (which i just bought) and picking up a H220 (maybe a H20-320 Elite, we'll see, have to recover from Christmas first :p )

[Rich_]

I kinda like this grouchon guy. Never done water cooling, yet, but planning on it. Swiftech seems a bit pricey but very good, i think i'd rather go custom loop the more i look into it, primarily for cosmetic reasons, and it's just a fun looking project. Swiftech sells custom loop components right?.

[Rich_]

I haven't posted on anything in the forum yet' date=' but i had to say something about this. Seeing a CEO take his time to respond to something that he was in no way obligated or expected to respond to was just amazing. I wanted a H220 after seeing Linus' video, but seeing how much the leader of the company cares about his products and his customers makes me very seriously consider putting my Corsair H100i to the side (which i just bought) and picking up a H220 (maybe a H20-320 Elite, we'll see, have to recover from Christmas first :p )[/quote']

Yeah. A water cooling kit from... a CEO that is apparently an enthusiast himself, judging by his response, and not a distant accountant-role CEO.. I like... Gives the "corsair" feel to it... ironic cuz that's a competitor lol.