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Ryzen 5 3600x+3080 bottleneck?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

so currently as my rig is having issues i cant figure out im going to be replacing the entire core of the system cpu motherboard and my M2 and am wondering if the Ryzen 5 3600x will bottleneck the 3080 at 4k 60?


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no bottlenecks at 60hz, only games that uses more than 6c/12t


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1 hour ago, xg32 said:

only games that uses more than 6c/12t

Which is none right now.


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Technically, if your processor isn't the absolute best-of-the-best currently available then it is considered a bottleneck because you are being CPU limited (meaning that the same GPU paired with a different CPU will perform better). Yes, a bottleneck. I would not recommend using a middle-class CPU with a flagship GPU unless you are okay with being CPU limited in terms of performance, which wouldn't be super noticeable at 60Hz but would still exist.

 

And yes, even at 60Hz it is a bottleneck, refresh rate doesn't cancel-out performance loss.

 

The i9-10900K is the current leader in terms of performance in gaming, the 3600X is at least 30% slower in games. I'm not sh**ing on the 3600X, it is a good CPU, and in the end it's your choice what GPU you pair with it, but I personally will DEFINITELY be upgrading from my 3600 before getting the 3070 I'm planning for.

 

My 3600 holds back my 1080 Ti, and that's painful to see. It would be even more painful for me to see the same with a 30 Series card.

 

When I buy graphics cards, I like to experience the performance as advertised, not 30% below it due to CPU limitations... but that's just me... I also game at 144Hz, but whatever...


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You would be better off keeping your 8700K at 5Ghz, that would still be less of a bottleneck than a 3600X, but still also would leave you CPU limited.


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2 minutes ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

You would be better off keeping you 8700K at 5Ghz, that would still be less of a bottleneck than a 3600X, but still also would leave you CPU limited.

i would so do that but ive been having crashing issues which is leaving me to believe its my motherboard going out. and im the type that likes to upgrade at the same time. i was thinking going ryzen since intel doesnt have any pcie gen 4 options yet. ive posted my issue many times but it seems people here like to ignore it so ive decided to just replace my cpu mobo and M2 to hopefully correct it lol 


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17 minutes ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

the 3600X is at least 30% slower in games.

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Nice "at least 30% slower at games". Even at 720p the difference isn't "at least 30%".

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18 minutes ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

You would be better off keeping you 8700K at 5Ghz, that would still be less of a bottleneck than a 3600X, but still also would leave you CPU limited.

Yup. 100% right on the money. 8700K 5ghz+ 4.7ghz cache 4000mhz mem+ is a 3D beast. 

 

 

 

 


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1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Yup. 100% right on the money. 8700K 5ghz+ 4.7ghz cache 4000mhz mem+ is a 3D beast. 

 

 

 

 

i would but if you would read my post you would see im experiencing bad crashing and i think its related to my motherboard 


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1 minute ago, SHADY16 said:

i would but if you would read my post you would see im experiencing bad crashing and i think its related to my motherboard 

So have you diagnosed the "crashing" ?

I'd start with that before condemning the motherboard. 

 

Can you define "crash"? 


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14 minutes ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

Go check some real benchmarks, and see what I mean. This photo by the way, show a 9900K with 30% better performance, and a 10900K is even faster than that. Part of Gamers Nexus' review of the 3600X. You can use your imperfect values all you want, FPS is FPS.

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And from GN themselves:

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Where is the "at least 30%"?

Implying that you'll be CPU limited regardless of the resolution is stupid and makes no sense.

 

4 minutes ago, SHADY16 said:

i would but if you would read my post you would see im experiencing bad crashing and i think its related to my motherboard 

Warranty? Why do you think it's the MB? If you can get it fixed it probably would be the best.

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2 minutes ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

1: the first photo shows 4K, which I recall NOT speaking on in my 'CPU limited' discussion, which I only spoke of in general terms, not in relativity to his use case.

2: the second photo is of a 3600XT, not a 3600.

You're the one that said that without any information on what resolution is going to be used, ignoring 2 of the 3 most popular resolutions between people with expensive setups isn't speaking in general terms. Also in general, most people don't drop their settings to get CPU limited like GN does on CPU reviews, they do that to test the CPUs, not to show how the CPUs would actually perform if someone were to play it normally at High or Ultra settings when using a 2080Ti like you would expect.

 

The 3600 is just below the 3600XT stock.

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Posted · Original PosterOP
16 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

So have you diagnosed the "crashing" ?

I'd start with that before condemning the motherboard. 

 

Can you define "crash"? 

 

15 minutes ago, KaitouX said:

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Breakpoint-p.webp

And from GN themselves:

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Where is the "at least 30%"?

Implying that you'll be CPU limited regardless of the resolution is stupid and makes no sense.

 

Warranty? Why do you think it's the MB? If you can get it fixed it probably would be the best.

i get event 161 volmgr. have purchased brand new ram did not fix reinstalled windows still didnt fix have ran cpu diagnostics tested my GPU and tested all my drives cant figure it out so just going to replace majority of my pc


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I am just pointing that you guys are comparing different games in different resolution.

 

The intel has a edge that is more apparent in 1080p but once in 2160p like you can see the 2 cpu deliver the same performance.

 

Try comparing on the same game with same graphics settings and same resolution first guys !!! Then try all resolutions and see the difference.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

yeah im not worried about 1080p as i even know it would be a bottleneck at 1080p. i play at 4k 60. why would you get a 3080 for 1080p gaming? lol though ive revised i was trying to pinch funds for the 3080 but im leaning towards the 3800x now. by the time the 3080 is readily available i should have the funds to purchase one. though im also considering holding off for ryzen 4000 series. i would love to get a 10900k but thats far out of my budget unfortunately. im open to suggests as long as its not super pricey 


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46 minutes ago, SHADY16 said:

 

i get event 161 volmgr. have purchased brand new ram did not fix reinstalled windows still didnt fix have ran cpu diagnostics tested my GPU and tested all my drives cant figure it out so just going to replace majority of my pc

Ouch, it's a perfectly capable PC. 

Have you considered a fresh installation of windows to rule out software or driver issues?


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Just now, ShrimpBrime said:

Ouch, it's a perfectly capable PC. 

Have you considered a fresh installation of windows to rule out software or driver issues?

yes i have done that already did a fresh install of windows 10 pro 2004 


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8 minutes ago, SHADY16 said:

yes i have done that already did a fresh install of windows 10 pro 2004 

Ok, want to try something?

 

Open command prompt right click run as admin.

copy paste the following.

chkdsk /f /r

Select Yes on next reboot and restart the PC and it will run check disc at start up. 

See if this pops errors.


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15 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Ok, want to try something?

 

Open command prompt right click run as admin.

copy paste the following.

chkdsk /f /r

Select Yes on next reboot and restart the PC and it will run check disc at start up. 

See if this pops errors.

ive done chkdsk on all my drives, diagnostics on my cpu and checked my voltages of my psu within bios 


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1 minute ago, SHADY16 said:

ive done chkdsk on all my drives, diagnostics on my cpu and checked my voltages of my psu within bios 

I found a thread where a fella listed the top most common causes of this error. 

 

See if anything stands out, but so far, you don't have me convinced that it's a hardware issue to down grade to a 3600X.....

 

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• Windows 10 ISO images device drivers. (very common)
• Corruption in Windows registry from a recent volmgr.sys-related software change (install or uninstall).
• Virus or malware infection that has corrupted the volmgr.sys file or related Windows 10 ISO images program files.
• Hardware conflict after installing new Microsoft hardware, or hardware related to volmgr.sys.
• Damaged or removed system files after you’ve installed software or drivers related to Windows 10 ISO images.
• volmgr.sys blue screen caused by a damaged hard disk.
• volmgr.sys STOP error due to memory (RAM) corruption.

 


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4 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

I found a thread where a fella listed the top most common causes of this error. 

 

See if anything stands out, but so far, you don't have me convinced that it's a hardware issue to down grade to a 3600X.....

 

 

can cross a lot of that out as im on a fresh windows 10 install and the ram i have is brand new not discounting the M2 as its a little over 3 yrs old

 


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1 minute ago, SHADY16 said:

can cross a lot of that out as im on a fresh windows 10 install and the ram i have is brand new not discounting the M2 as its a little over 3 yrs old

 

The top one stood out the most, windows drivers.

 

Are you using the NVMe driver from the samsung site? Might be worth a shot instead of the windows appointed driver (which might be the same one, just installed differently at setup.)

 

 


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